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Ok, so i was trying to MILD one night, when my mind started to wander. I was as my last basketball game, it was in first person, i could hear feel see everything, and then i realized that i was day dreaming and came back to reality. I wonder if you stuck with it passively enough, if you would fall asleep and become lucid. Oh, and is this like VILD, cause i think it is, it's just wasn't intentionall. (sp.)
Day Dream Incuded Lucid Dreaming... Hmm... that would be nice, to be able to lucid dream during classes, work, or when you're bored at home. Keep experimenting buddy, if you come up with a way to do this, please share. :)
Occasionally if I'm concentrating too hard on something, I'll find myself in a state where it feels like I'm watching reality through someone else's eyes--daydreaming included. I usually "snap back" when I question my own identity but there have been times I've been able to "hold" my mind from refocusing. It almost feels like being swept away by water currents--in a purely mental sense. I wonder if your technique bears further research and if it could, in fact, lead to a lucid dream. I would worry, however, about the possibility of injury to oneself from the loss of motor control while in a seated or standing position.
Yes, loss of motor movements would be a bad thing. When i was trying this i was laying down, so it wouldn't have been a problem. Anyway, ill try again tonight, post in a bit. :D
Ok, sorry bout the double post, but i tried this a couple nights ago, and nothing, but in the morning, i saw the daydream, then deard, then smealt, then felt, and then moved in what was now an LD. so my 3rd LD was due to DDILD. I'm going to work on it some more, it really only works for me when i first wake up and am still pretty sleepy/not wanting to move.
Sounds like you've stumbled upon something quite interesting here. Please, do make sure to update us as to the results of your next experiment(s).
I've noticed on saturday mornings when I can sleep in I will wake up and not want to "wake up" yet so I will just lay in bed and think. This always results in me daydreaming about what I want to do that day, or different topics and I start drifting off to sleep, yet never really lose conciousness of what I'm thinking. I'll then "snap back" and kind of wake up and look at the clock and realize it has been an hour and a half.
Lucid dream in primitive form? I will test your DDILD technique when I have time to sleep in.
Huh, I think I did something like this two nights ago. The whole dream had the quality of a daydream, where I thought about my next move and what the response would be and only then lived it out. It didn't seem terribly different from my pure daydreams, actually. I disappear into my own little world pretty easily.
Purely unintentional, and I think if it were intentional it would be a VILD.
I've heard this technique several times posted on this board, I know alot about how it works, or at least I try to, as I stated before in the V-WILD thread (DDILD whatever you call it) I am trying to master this, the only problem for me is motivation, I'd certainly like someone else to compare notes on, anyone willing to learn more about this technique can ask but yeah, it's pretty much day dreaming, my unofficial adopter knows all about this technique, and I wish to master it like him, he can do it in the day time in a few secounds, and I'm skeptical, though I trust him, I don't want to be wasting my time.
To bad I decided to go to sleep late tonight, can't try it tomorrow morning before school.
One thing that I have noticed though is it is sometimes difficult for me to see my visual feild, I think I need to learn how to pinpoint it, only wish I was as good as some of you.
Just an off topic question; you said you were in first-person? Wouldn't it be weird if you weren't in first person?
This is actually (if you ask me) a WILD.
First point being: You can't "day-dream" at night. :wink:
Second point being: If you hadn't "snapped back to reality" you would have had a full-blown WILD (wake induced lucid dream) where your mind goes from the fully-waking state to dream awareness.
The level you were at (where you started seeing the imagery of the basketball game) was, or seemed to be, hypnogogic imagery. It is a state of mental imagery which is exactly like (the same as?) day-dreaming. So (since I'm kinda against creating more catchy acronyms than is necessary) I'd say that you were simply on your way to a WILD. Not to say your technique wasn't working but I just don't think it was much different than the known WILD method. :)
Except it's in the middle of the day with your eyes open. :wink:Quote:
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It is? :wink:Quote:
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I nearly achieved this.
I started daydreaming in my double religion class, then remembered reading this thread. So i started some meditation to relax myself, this took about 5 minutes until i was extremely comfortable. I then tried to WILD, i didn't know if this was going to work as i had my eyes open.
I became really scared when my whole body felt asif it was spinning (even if it was very mild). So i closed my eyes and tried to WILD.
I probably would've Day Dream WILD'd if i hadn't been interrupted by the teacher. :(
I wonder if this is achievable with your eyes open?
heh, some people get all the luck, my friend can do it with his eyes open.Quote:
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yeah, but we don't go around calling every DILD technique a DILD.Quote:
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Well then. I suppose you've won this round. :bowdown:Quote:
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ok, hold up, you can have an LD with yours eyes open :shock: this info would be very valuable, can somebody pm me the guidlines for this method please?
i dont think it works like that i "day"- dream @ night and you start to daydream and next thing you know its morning. At somepoint you fall asleep and begin to dream about something unrelated but you can never remember when you stopped. However, you can always remember your last thought. It is very odd. It doesn't make you lucid though, it may help you have a dild sometimes, but rarly. I occasionaly dream about what the day-dream was about but am never lucid in it. Hmm...
It's more like a very vivid day dream, you kind of block out the real world, I'm not exactly sure I'm pretty sure, my friend did this well on msn, he had to type pretty fast he didn't take control just saw things.Quote:
Originally Posted by pablo
Try to visualize with your eyes open, thats kind of how it works, once in the shower I came pretty close to a wild, when I came back it was like my mind had just escaped from my head.
Now how often have I dreamed in first person? The parts of my dreams I remember always seem to be in second person. Maybe the first-person parts fade because they don't fit with my real life, but the third-person parts remain as the history of someone who doesn't exist. Or maybe I force my dreams into third person for the same reasons.Quote:
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My most recent dream I can remember some first-person parts of. I was basically stepping back out of the story, telling myself what to do next, then reentering my body and doing it - repeatedly. Should that be considered dreaming about astral projection? :? Or a sign that I think of dreaming like writing a novel?
i've had that before but as soon as i realise im dreaming i wake up this usually happens before i fell asleep i dont think i will make a lucid cause i just wake up everytime i try if u stick with it and dont realise its a lucid it will just become a normal dream
I can't see how this could work...U daydream or let Ur mind wander...eventually U'll loose conciousness of what is daydreaming and what is real, they'll just mix into one reality. Unless U keep snapping back into reality but wouldn't that keep U from sleeping?
IMJ
You would have to daydream that you were having a lucid dream so that you wouldn't have to snap back into reality.
The main problem is becoming lucid, so it's sort of a DILD "technique."
Hmmm, yeah I tried that before it worked. BUT it is extremely mood dependant....U must really believe that U are and want to have a lucid dream. For me I aimed to do something, fly to a target spot near my house, it gave me a lucid dream and I remembered my task of wanting to fly there...but after that night the mood somehow got used up I guess.Quote:
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IMJ
Ok... I was messing around with it today, and from what I could tell, I had full control over my day dream... But, I chalk this up to Visualization skills.
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Right, thats why I have such trouble with it, I have never woken up in the morning and wanted to do it but I have to force myself into it, because I'm on a mission, to beable to do it in the middle of the day on command, but other then that I want to explore my mind a bit.
I do beleive very few people could master this, just because it is so dependant on such huge amounts of motivation and persistence, you may not understand me, but once you try it at 5am in the morning you will know, I usualy only try like 1/3 percent of the time, and when I do try I only really put effort into it about 1/5 times, and I've never succeded yet, been trying for months on end, but I never managed to take a very shot at it, I push myself to try more at it, but it doesn't work much of the time.
The recuirment of persistance is probably do to the effort needed to visualize, were as normal wilds don't have that.
Well i came home today and having nothing to do, tried this, i didn't get any dream let alone lucid, but i fell asleep for half an hour in the middle of the afternoon. I've had a busy week so ill post in a few, oh and Elixer is my partner in crime on developing this new/type of WILD technique.