What are the Tibetan's techniques? Maybe they might work. ANSWER PLEASE :bowdown:
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What are the Tibetan's techniques? Maybe they might work. ANSWER PLEASE :bowdown:
Well tibetan meditation technique are the same as western technique. You can try zhine if you want http://www.plotinus.com/zhine_tibetan_dream_yoga.htm
The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep (Paperback)
by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche (Author), Mark Dahlby (Author)
Tibetan Dream yoga is a very complex set of reflections, meditation, pre-sleep preparation
and mid night practices of breathing/meditation etc ... It is very unique and nothing like the
well known western techniques for LD induction.
Becoming lucid is not the end game. It's a tool used to gain greater awareness. It's also
very spiritual in nature
The book I cite above is absolutely facinating. I wouldl suggest it to everyone. I have read it twice
now and I'm starting to incorporate some of the practices.
I've wondered the same thing, but do you have to have an advanced background in this stuff to utilize this or can you start from scratch? I have had success with oither techinques so i'll stick to them for now. Maybe one day i will try what the monks did. :?
You can't practice these techniques successfully if you don't have a personal teacher. They say so in all books on this topic. They openly admit that they disguise vital information. So it's useless to try doing what's written there, there's no full explanation in books and you'll be just wasting your time. If you can, find the authour and make him teach you, or go to Tibet and find someone else, otherwise it's a fruitless endeavor.
LDing would seem boring from their point of view anyway, LDs are a mere side-effect of their practices and they use them only to make sure that everything is an illusion even in dreams. It's definately not for traditional LDers who use LDs to have fun.
To the post above. Do you mean that there are centers that teach the techniques, or is just found in books?
There are people who teach the techniques, not centers. Usually those who want to learn orient rechniques travel to Tibet, India, etc., because you can never know if someone you've found in your own country knows what he's doing or is just making money... But I guess if you're lucky you can find a person who's known not to be a fake in your own country, like the authour of the abovementioned book.
In the books they don't give much information, only a little bit.
Thats what I thought, that you had to travel to other places to learn the technique. I just didn't think that people in my country taught it. Though ,what your saying is that the books aren't helpful?Quote:
Originally Posted by Follower
In my experience thus far, some books can be very helpful. There is a great wealth of information on the internet concerning buddhism and specifically, Milam/'Yoga of the Dream State' practices.
One such book is 'Dream Yoga and the Practice of Natural Light' by Chögyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche, edited by Michael Katz. You can visit his website http://www.nydzogchen.com/ for more information and other resources. It is also available as an e-book; PM me for more information.
Based on what I've learned so far, I agree with Follower when he says that lucid dreams are, more or less, something of a by-product of the Tibetan practices. Dream Yoga is used in an effort to attain what is called Dzogchen, or Great Perfection. But, to say that the practice of Dream Yoga is not for conventional LDers, I disagree. I think that there is much to be learned from the teachings. However, in response to bro's question, these practices do require a considerable amount of discipline and are not to be approached lightly as one can easily become frustrated with their lack of progress. I am confidant though, that anyone, with determination and respect for the teachings and the history behind them, regardless of any previous/standing religious commitment, can benefit from them.
Also, for those of you who are interested but hesitant to take that first step for a lack of information, please visit this site: http://www.e-sangha.com/ It is an online community of many, many buddhists, in addition to just as many, and likely more, lay buddhists. It is a great resource of information where all are eager to help answer questions, as would be expected.
This is a a popular prayer for progress in the practice of Dream Yoga:
"Kyema! Holy Buddhas and Masters of the Dzogchen Tradition
Grant your blessings that my mind may turn towards the sacred
Grant your blessings that all obstacles to my practice are dissolved in awareness
Grant your blessings that my dreams become clear and lucid
Grant your blessings that I rest in the luminosity of my own true nature."
It's not me, it's them writing it in their own books.Quote:
Originally Posted by ;393882
Practicing Dzogchen without a teacher is useless by definition. When you find a teacher his first duty is to 'initiate' you and put you into a state of rigpa. So you've already attained your goal, so to speak, with his help. The goal of this teaching is to attain a continuous rigpa. Your later practice will consist of keeping yourself in this state, not letting it go.
So without experiencing rigpa with the help of your teacher first, you can't practice Dzogchen fully. However you can achieve some results if you do. You just won't achieve much.
Thank you Follower for filling in that particular hole in my post. It is true that "being a Dzogchen practitioner thus implies that one must have a qualified Dzogchen teacher". However, though you may not 'achieve' much with respect to the goal of Dzogchen, you still stand to learn a great deal about yourself and by just attempting the practice, it improves many of your personal disciplines as well, many of which might prove to be beneficial with regards to lucid dreaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Follower