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I cannot lucid dream and it is driving me crazy! Besides doing the reality checks, dream journals, self-talk motivation, hypnosis, subliminal CD, Mugwort, Galantamine, B6, the confidence method, etc. nothing seems to work. I am so tired of the constant disapointments. This figures, whenever I get into something it never works out for me no matter how hard I try and how much hard work I put into it. This has been going on for months now and I so done. :bang::bang::bang::bang::cry::cry:
Well first never give up. Second relax. When you put that much stress on yourself to do something your countereacting your efforts. I was doing research on trying to enter a lucid from ganzfeld state (total darkness and entrainment files basically) I've been have lucids for quite sometime (14 years) and it took me a month of trying before I could reach it from that state and thats with experience. Take a break, breath in deep and get back on board when you ready. You'll get it, just relax.
Cheers!
Hmmm, as per my previous response, have you bought a REM Dreamer yet? This is a crutch but it's a helpful tool in learning.
I have nothing to say that isn't in my sig - the English language bit.
Hey Zero,
I definitely understand the frustration (very few lucid dreamers have never experienced it) - so go ahead, let it out, pound that brick wall all you want. When you're done you'll likely realize that it will be hard to 'give up' on the will to lucid dream- specially after all the effort you put into it.
What you need to do now is take a break from it - an "effort vacation". You've been pounding so much information about techniques into your brain that it hasn't had the time to really process all of it. Now is the time to let it alone and give it all a chance to sink in.
It's sort of like you planted a ton of seeds in a small pot, dumped gallons of water on it, and are expecting the shit to grow! What you got at this point, though, is a swamp of seeds and mud. Gotta let it all settle now.
You'll be soooo freakin excited when it finally hits you one night - can't wait to read that post when it happens.
It'll come to you, man :cool:
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The temptation to quit will be greatest just before you are about to succeed.
I like that quote really great.:bowdown:
You are probably trying too hard, and psyching yourself out. In Laberge's Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming in a section called "Lucid Dreaming is Easier Than You May Think" he says:
Thinking about LDs a lot is good, but getting flustered is a sign that you should probably take a few days to a week off, and put it out of your mind for a bit. Things will be easier when you return.Quote:
Sometimes people develop mental blocks that effectively prevent them from intentionally inducing lucid dreams. Typically, they think of lucid dreaming as a very difficult state to achieve. Beliving this seems to make it so.
Never give up! Sometimes it can take longer than a few months to get your first lucid. I hear it takes some people years. But it is definatly worth the wait!
Plus, I belive you are over-doing it. Try to relax and take it one step at a time. It might not be good to try all those things at once, try them seperately for about two weeks each to see what works best for you.
i thought i was the same way, nothing seemed to be working. but a couple nights ago i got soooo close. now realize i CAN do it. and that confidence is an unstoppable force :banana:
if your that stressed by this, take a week off. just sleep and maybe it will happen by itself
Hey there,
Like people here said, rather then give up, just take a break. Let yourself relax a bit. Take a week or two of normal sleep, do nothing. Enjoy your dreams as they for a little while. Lucid dreams are great, but normal dreams can be a lot ot fun too! Focus on remembering and writing down your nightly adventures for a while.
There is such a thing as trying too hard. And it sounds like you're there. When it stops being fun, enjoyable, and interesting, and it starts feeling frustrating, like a chore, like something you 'have to do', that's the point where its usually best to take a step back, take a deep breath, relax a bit.
-Redrivertears-
Yes, as the others have said, take a back and just relax for a bit. Try not to force lucidity too much. In my experience, beginners have found that they finally lucid dream after calming down the efforts a little. Don't quit, just relax.
2 things to say here:
1. Calm down, as has been said. Stop trying to LD for a week or so. Don't do RCs, don't think about it too much. After a week or two, start with RECALL. Recall is more important at the first stage than anything. Simply keep a DJ and get your recall up. No sense in having LDs you don't remember.
2. Don't think you're alone. It took me over a month to be able to recall even fragments every night. After that, I had a sudden massive drop in recall and had to train it up for another 2 weeks or so. I've had two LDs so far, and am currently going through a dryspell of about 2 months or so. Some people find LDing easier or harder than others, but anyone could do it with the right work ethic.
The key element of this? Don't give up. The most important part of success in any oneironaught's career is devotion and patience.
And pj, that is a frakking fantastic quote.
I've had nothing for over a month now since the end of june. I relaxed more and i just had an LD the other night.
Relax a bit more your convincing yourself LD is far off and you'll never get there. So you wont.
So how many months have you been trying exactly?
Also, consider the possibility that you've already been lucid, but forgot to recall it! In fact, it is more than likely, as we all dream every 90min of sleep! If you've already done it; you can do it again... I promise.
Everyone in this thread has the right idea. I find that if you try too hard, you're that much more likely to fail. Go a while without trying to LD. After a good break, ease back into it. When I first started learning, I was highly frustrated that I couldn't LD. I tried everything. I eventually decided to give it a rest. When I did, I just randomly had the most vivid DILD I have ever had to this day.
Don't over-think it, I promise you are capable of this. :D
first off, don't let it stress you out, maybe your trying to hard. just relax a bit, go to bed a little earlier, just don't quit.
If you give up than you have nearly no hope for a lucid dream, but when you try your chances of becoming lucid increase.
Yep, yep, yep. I agree with the Chinese. DO NOT GIVE UP!!! <--- yes, I'm aware that I'm shouting. KEEP TRYING. And right, don't stress it. The stress will ruin your control. Just expect it to happen.
when u try to hard to lucid dream it makes it harder to lucid dream, relax, your going to dream each night you fall asleep...enjoy that and enjoy your dreams...you will become Lucid when you become Lucid
forget abot lucid dreaming
dont come erhe, quit ur jorunal, jus chill for a while
and youll get a lucid
trust me
it happened to me
[QUOTE=zeroroom;495718]reality checks, dream journals, self-talk motivation, hypnosis, subliminal CD, Mugwort, Galantamine, B6, the confidence method, etc. nothing seems to work. QUOTE]
none of that stuff ever worked for me... well I guess it did, but not that well, it gave me about 2 lucids and that's it. Maybe you should try DEILD. It's the easiest WILD tech (for me at least) and it's more reliable than DILD because all you need to know to do is not move or open your eyes when you wake up. (which is easy for some people, but hard for others) I dont know what you've tried, but I just think that's a good technique whether your just starting lding or not. just a suggestion tho. or maybe just do what imran said, maybe you just need a break.
none of that stuff ever worked for me... well I guess it did, but not that well, it gave me about 2 lucids and that's it. Maybe you should try DEILD. It's the easiest WILD tech (for me at least) and it's more reliable than DILD because all you need to know to do is not move or open your eyes when you wake up. (which is easy for some people, but hard for others) I dont know what you've tried, but I just think that's a good technique whether your just starting lding or not. just a suggestion tho. or maybe just do what imran said, maybe you just need a break.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeroroom
I don't see the point of giving up. You're going to dream every night for the rest of your life so you might as well keep at it.
Don't masturbate!
Thats the number one problem most people have.
It totally decreases dream recall.
I must say that i know exactly how you feel, but at the end of the day its not as if its never going to happen, if you stay calm and collective about the whole situation you will get far with lucid dreaming, giving up will only make you feel worse about it, keep at it, the reward you get from the experience makes you stronger an more able to deal with it in future! Best of luck to you though, and keep on trying, stick with one thing and keep at what your best at :)
Giving up is probably the best idea because you have been going about it for so long and so intently. I would be willing to bet that if you just let your conscious mind forget about it, you will have a lucid dream in a few months without even trying. Let you subconscious take over for now. Once you get your first lucid, your interest will resume, but without the mental block.
Last night I took 8mg of Galantamine, 100 mg of B5, 400 mg of Choline an listened to a sublinal tape while I sleep. But I think it was the fact that was horny and wanted to see someone in my dreams and I had a feeling it was going to happen. and It happenec. I became aware, started to look around at my surroundings, even decided to fly a little, but when I tried to conjur up the girl it did not happen. Also When things started to fade, I spun around and it stopped fading, at least for awhile then I lost it. But here is the problem. Was it really a lucid dream or a dream about me having a lucid dream? You see when I lucid dream, which is rare, it feels strange, incredible even but last night it felt like any other dream so I wonder if it was just a dream about a lucid dream. Do you know what I mean?
Wow, what a revelation!
That explains a lot! I'm on my way - step aside - dreams, here I come!
"Vision without Action is merely a dream.
Action without Vision is passing the time.
Vision with Action can change the world!"
Never give up so easily as that not everything can be done so easily.Also,somtimes things won't come whenever you is too stress for it,try relaxing for a few days then try again.Never force it,the more you force it to come,it won't come.
Don't blame you one bit zeroroom. I've been feeling exactly the same way lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeroroom
Sometimes, because of the depression that can result when someone tries so hard, but is unsuccessfully at doing something, it is best to just forget about it for a while.
It might also help to set your goals a bit lower.
Instead of trying so hard to become lucid, you might just try remembering as many dreams as you can. That's what I've had to do lately.
BTW pj. Thanks for the inspiring signature. I needed that, so am adding that to my own signature as a reminder.
Here's some advice that I've thought of that I am also going to use myself.
I'll just call it conditioned response for lack of a better name.
Decide on a technique that you want to use, or possibly combine several techniques together.
Then, continue doing these techniques every day, trying to improve on them a little bit every day.
Don't worry about having a lucid dream for now. Just concentrate on the techniques you are using, trying to improve on them a little more everyday.
Be sure and reward yourself for the improvements you have made in the techniques you are using, and feel good about the improvements you are making in the techniques you are using.
If one of your techniques is relaxing or self hypnosis, just try to become more relaxed or in a deeper state of hypnosis than the previous day.
And then congratulate yourself on the improvements you have made on whatever techniques you are using.
By concentrating on improving your techniques instead of trying to become lucid, you should find it easier to stay positive, and will be working toward the ultimate goal of being able to become lucid whenever you want.
Might I suggest that you are trying too hard? Lucid dreaming is not one of the only things that simply do not work if you overshoot the mark so to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeroroom
I personally rarely if ever do a reality check only if I am bored or something completely unreal happens, light tripper over nothing when in a sober state :P. Dream journals self talk hypnosis and subliminal stuff all those vary as far as results and can make you go nuts if you take it too seriously. Taking herbs is usually a highly placebo effect as far as I am concerned for any benefits other than some digestive variation. Eat healthier and take a full multivitamin complex all day. Taking a large dose of a vitamin before bed can be bad as you will need to drink extra water and this can be troublesome all on its own.
In conclusion I can tell you that if you relax a litte, sleep in a quiet environment and try to get things off your mind instead of doing all these "extra" things you might have more success.
Hi Zeroroom. Well done! :boogie:
I would have to say that I think your dream was lucid because of the effect you could make upon it. I think the difference in feeling was probably down to the drugs.
I am quite experienced in LDing but usually enter the state by using my dream triggers, the recurring themes and characters that make me aware that I'm dreaming.
If you go back through your DJ and continue to keep a record of them I'm sure you'll find loads. Keep on reading through them and maybe even make a note of your top 5 then the next time you encounter one you will recognise it as a DS and you can become Lucid off it.
I hope this is of some help to you and congrats on your latest LD.
:D
Angelmouse X
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The only reason you come on here and say that is for people to become sorry for you , if you want to quit then Quit , its your loss , and quiters never get anywhere in life
Ive been trying for about 7 months and only got 3 but im no where near giving up after ive acctully felt what there like and i took me about 6 months to get my first one
I don't sense that about zeroroom at all Selmuir, because I agree with zeroroom that trying to lucid dream can be very frustrating, especially when all of the attempts have gone unsuccessful, even the Galantamine pharmaceutical approch, which is supposed to work for just about everyone from what I've heard, and which is the next thing I am going to try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Selmuir
That's why I suggested a different, more positive approach of forgetting about lucid dreaming for the time being and just concentrating on whatever things he might be having success with, and trying to improve on them in order to remain positive and build a good foundation from which lucid dreams can occur in the future.
The purpose of these forums is to help and support others in their efforts to learn lucid dreaming, not to make someone feel like a loser.
If there is ever anything I can help you with zeroroom, don't hesitate to ask.