I dont understand one thing ... I can remember 4 dreams at night

You know. Recall is essential. But from my experience, i can only write a dream down, when i wake up just after it happens. It means, that if i want to remember 4 dreams per night, I have to wake up at least three times at night which is pretty tiring. I can remember so many dreams, but is it also your case? Do you have to stand up multiple times to have such a good recall, or will it come with practice, that i will remember more dreams even if i lets say awaken only one time? Thanx for your valuable responses.

Personal experiences preferred...
Adraw

Some thing with me. But I'm wrighting my dreams down right in my bed with the candle light. Pretty easy for me.

Usually if I tell myself to wake up in the night after my dreams I can remember about 4 also. Without waking up, I can only remember about 2, and only because I wake from one and remember the other from something that I see or think about that triggers the recall.

Before my inactive streak, I used to wake up twice a night. For some reason, getting up at those times seemed to really help, and I was more alert and found it easier to get up in the morning.

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Originally Posted by Azarus

Some thing with me. But I'm wrighting my dreams down right in my bed with the candle light. Pretty easy for me.

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Yeah. In that state, you feel pretty motivated about it. You want to write them all down. And your journal fills in nicely.

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Originally Posted by Spoof

Usually if I tell myself to wake up in the night after my dreams I can remember about 4 also. Without waking up, I can only remember about 2, and only because I wake from one and remember the other from something that I see or think about that triggers the recall.

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Yes. Sometimes it happenned to me too. Thats pretty common here. We all share the same experience. Is there something you did for your recall from the start? I am searching for some interesting techinques, or maybe for some observations about how does the recall behave under some circumstances. I know this was pretty difficult to understand. But I think, you know what i am talking about.

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Originally Posted by Sticktator

Before my inactive streak, I used to wake up twice a night. For some reason, getting up at those times seemed to really help, and I was more alert and found it easier to get up in the morning.

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Yess. That helps. And how. But sometimes it happens, that we have problems with remembering dreams although we feel motivated and although we stay 2 times at night. Why is that? What do you think?

Waking up each time to fill the dream journal is a new chance to VILD or MILD.
Yay!

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Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Waking up each time to fill the dream journal is a new chance to VILD or MILD.
Yay!

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Superb perspective. When I expected too much, i didnt see the chances.
But that doesnt mean i am not expecting too much.

You do not have to wake up 3 times to remember 3 dreams. i woke up in the morning and remembered 4 dreams, and i usually don't remember more than 1, if i remember any at all.

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Originally Posted by Xallie

You do not have to wake up 3 times to remember 3 dreams. i woke up in the morning and remembered 4 dreams, and i usually don't remember more than 1, if i remember any at all.

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How did that happen? How did you build that skill? Did it repeat?

Don't give up, adraw, just keep trying. I do think that, like all good things, good recall comes with time. It varies for different people, but it is *definitely* possible to remember more than one dream when you wake up. Needless to say, still gotta write it down right away.

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Originally Posted by Vixie

Don't give up, adraw, just keep trying. I do think that, like all good things, good recall comes with time. It varies for different people, but it is *definitely* possible to remember more than one dream when you wake up. Needless to say, still gotta write it down right away.

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Thanx for encouragement. I dont plan to give up. That would be too easy :D

I have'nt been very good at filling out my dream journal lately, but the little I have done have helped me alot. Just yesterday I woke up and started to write the first dream that came to my mind. While writing this, two more dreams emerged.
The fact that I now am aware of lucid dreaming and focused on remembering dreams, have made it alot easier to remember dreams when I wake up in the morning. So I think that with time and effort, you will be able to remember more than just the last dream.
Something that helps me alot when I want to remember a dream, is that I go through activities that I might have done.: Did I drive a car, ride a bike, was I on the water, did I meet any friends (here you could name your friends by name). All you need to remember a dream is one word to connect you, and the rest of the dream will unfold as you write it. This works fine for me, since I never write my journal in the night. (much do to a girlfriend which I dont want to wake)

I usually remember between 5 to 8 dreams a night, but last night was exceptional as I remembered 10 dreams, most of which were quite vivid. I just couldn't get lucid in any of them no matter how hard I tried.

I do it by waking up several times a night, almost every hour some nights.

I feel more rested on the nights that I wake up all night long than if I would sleep through the whole night, because I have had several short naps instead of just one long sleep.

I have a small Olympus digital voice recorder that I paid $40 for that I record my dreams on when I wake up, so many times just record my dreams on the recorder and then go right back to sleep, although I still usually get up at least 2 or 3 times and record my dreams in an Excel spreadsheet.

Otherwise I would not have time to record them all when I woke up in the morning.

That was a good point that Dream Chaser made, as getting up gives a person another opportunity to try a WILD or to reinforce ones suggestions of having a lucid dream.

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Originally Posted by iadr

I usually remember between 5 to 8 dreams a night, but last night was exceptional as I remembered 10 dreams, most of which were quite vivid. I just couldn't get lucid in any of them no matter how hard I tried.

I do it by waking up several times a night, almost every hour some nights.

I feel more rested on the nights that I wake up all night long than if I would sleep through the whole night, because I have had several short naps instead of just one long sleep.

I have a small Olympus digital voice recorder that I paid $40 for that I record my dreams on when I wake up, so many times just record my dreams on the recorder and then go right back to sleep, although I still usually get up at least 2 or 3 times and record my dreams in an Excel spreadsheet.

Otherwise I would not have time to record them all when I woke up in the morning.

That was a good point that Dream Chaser made, as getting up gives a person another opportunity to try a WILD or to reinforce ones suggestions of having a lucid dream.

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That seems to be a lot of fun. You must have pretty good information about how your dreamworld looks like. Some questions?

When do you get asleep?
When do you awake first?
Did you experiment with length of time periods between "naps" ?


Thanx in advance.

AHHHH, I get a real big BFO from this topic...
It really never came to my mind that people who remember multiple dreams in 1 night, could be waking up in-between and write them down... :doh:

But anyway: is it really possible to remember more than 2 dreams in a row, without waking in between?

off-topic @adraw: I really like your music! Great website!
Some songs remind me of the style of Armin van Buuren (dutch DJ).

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AHHHH, I get a real big BFO from this topic...
It really never came to my mind that people who remember multiple dreams in 1 night, could be waking up in-between and write them down... :doh:

But anyway: is it really possible to remember more than 2 dreams in a row, without waking in between?

off-topic @adraw: I really like your music! Great website!
Some songs remind me of the style of Armin van Buuren (dutch DJ).

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I think, it is possible to remember multiple dreams at night, but they come while you recall your latest. But how the brain works to recall them... Thats is to be researched first.

off-topic> thanx for compliment.

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I have a small Olympus digital voice recorder that I paid $40 for that I record my dreams on when I wake up

I have a digital Olympus voice recorder and i never thought of using it to record dreams. :imslow: I will use this to record my lucids from now on, that will be so much easier than having to get up, put my light on and write a story.

Am i glad i read this thread. :)

my secret trick to remembering dreams (which i unfortunately dont have that much time in the mornings to do), which i actually read somewhere, and works most of the time, is pretty simple. in addition to regularly keeping a dream journal, when you wake up each morning, just lie down in bed, moving as little as possible not thinking about anything in particular, for about 10 to 15 minutes. actually, 15 might be a bit much. maybe about 10. after a while, the dreams just come to you. you'll be lying there, and all of a sudden you'll remember a part of a dream, and then you can work forward and backward from there to remember the rest of the dream, and more and mroe dreams will come to you. you just have to keep them in your head untill you write them down. they're usually from later in the night though (it's wierd, i can just kind of tell how early or late through my sleep they are)

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Originally Posted by adraw

That seems to be a lot of fun. You must have pretty good information about how your dreamworld looks like. Some questions?

When do you get asleep?
When do you awake first?
Did you experiment with length of time periods between "naps" ?
Thanx in advance.

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Lot of good tips in this thread. Thanks for starting it adraw!

Yes, it is a lot of fun. It's like I tell people I work with. I have a very active night life...but it all takes place in my dreams. :lol:

I usually sleep for about 3 1/2 hours after first going to bed, but after that I'm awake every 60 or 90 minutes, as I usually wake up after my dreams.

Although sometimes I remember only one dream when waking up, I often remember as many as 3 or 4 dreams when waking up.

And then there are times I may not remember a dream until something I am doing during the day triggers the recall of the dream.

The key is to remember the first dream, and Carpets gave some very good techniques for doing that.

Because after you remember the first dream, the recall of the other dreams often comes along right after it.

Anything you can do to improve your memory will help in recalling dreams, but writing them down is probably the most important, or at least speaking them into a digital recorder so you can listen back and remember them later.

I also go back over my dreams again before going to bed writing out a quick summary of the best dreams as this seems to encourage more dreams.

And if you have the time, another good exercise is do a quick review of the day in your mind before going to bed, as this also helps to improve the kind of memory needed for remembering dreams.

And if you have even more time, try remember back all of the things you did for the last 5 days, as this will improve the kind of memory you need for remembering dreams even more.

I've tried to wake up during a dream several times to have better dream recall, but I just end up having FAs or I have nothing to write on, I remember that I once tried to write on my chest with a pen-sized laser that was next to my bed, until I realized that I can't write on my chest with a laser, lol, I must have been very tired.

I usually write down my DJ in the Windows notepad, it's easier because my computer sometimes remains turned on at night, so I can write as soon as I wake up.

i been practiseing DR for few mths now and lately (Juz last whole week lol) i been able to recall up to 5 different dreams when i wake up like 5-6 hours been to bed, when i went back to bed i can recall like 1 or 2 more dreams after tat. but now i cant lol becoz last sat, sun i m too lazy to write the dreams.. lol it's really long n troublesome!!

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Originally Posted by carpets

my secret trick to remembering dreams (which i unfortunately dont have that much time in the mornings to do), which i actually read somewhere, and works most of the time, is pretty simple. in addition to regularly keeping a dream journal, when you wake up each morning, just lie down in bed, moving as little as possible not thinking about anything in particular, for about 10 to 15 minutes. actually, 15 might be a bit much. maybe about 10. after a while, the dreams just come to you. you'll be lying there, and all of a sudden you'll remember a part of a dream, and then you can work forward and backward from there to remember the rest of the dream, and more and mroe dreams will come to you. you just have to keep them in your head untill you write them down. they're usually from later in the night though (it's wierd, i can just kind of tell how early or late through my sleep they are)

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Cool. This thread is aiming exactly where it should. This approach seems to be really usefull. But to make it even more usefull. Would be superb, if you cleared some question which might start up:

Whats your thinking process? DO you search for the information in your brain or do you let it come as from itself? If so... What do you do with the thoughts which might distract you in the morning? {I know. This might be complicated to answer, but some direction would really help us ... recall seekers}

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Originally Posted by iadr

Lot of good tips in this thread. Thanks for starting it adraw!

Yes, it is a lot of fun. It's like I tell people I work with. I have a very active night life...but it all takes place in my dreams. :lol:

I usually sleep for about 3 1/2 hours after first going to bed, but after that I'm awake every 60 or 90 minutes, as I usually wake up after my dreams.

Although sometimes I remember only one dream when waking up, I often remember as many as 3 or 4 dreams when waking up.

And then there are times I may not remember a dream until something I am doing during the day triggers the recall of the dream.

The key is to remember the first dream, and Carpets gave some very good techniques for doing that.

Because after you remember the first dream, the recall of the other dreams often comes along right after it.

Anything you can do to improve your memory will help in recalling dreams, but writing them down is probably the most important, or at least speaking them into a digital recorder so you can listen back and remember them later.

I also go back over my dreams again before going to bed writing out a quick summary of the best dreams as this seems to encourage more dreams.

And if you have the time, another good exercise is do a quick review of the day in your mind before going to bed, as this also helps to improve the kind of memory needed for remembering dreams.

And if you have even more time, try remember back all of the things you did for the last 5 days, as this will improve the kind of memory you need for remembering dreams even more.

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Superb information. Thank you iadr. Going to bed after 3 and half hours. That seems promissing. I can remember. Once i managed to wake up in right time. And after writing my dreams, I got asleep and got lucid dream. After this dream, i woke up to write it down again and then.... Next lucid.... and then one normal dream. That was like a serie of dreams, when brain was fully aligned with idea of lucid dream. I didnt need my alarm after first awakening, althought the dreams ended 5 minutes before it could fire. And you probably know... I wanted to have this feeling again. And as much as i try, it doesnt work. But thats only about too big expectations i think. So i have to change my point of view.

So from what you say, and from what I experienced. Most important thing is to get the brain into some state, where it works. Unfortunately. The brain is not ready everytime. And the question would be... Why? Whats the difference? How can I recognize the right state in the evening (When I decide to perform the attempts)? {only think i can remember from THAT evening was the feeling of real dedication. I threw everything else away. I felt good that evening. Plenty of sleep and good mood}.

One more think. Technique about remembering last days seems really promissing too. Still. I would be interested. Is this the only think you do before you fall asleep? I am asking, becouse I have problems falling asleep, when i try too hard.
Thanx for your time and valuable knowledge.

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I've tried to wake up during a dream several times to have better dream recall, but I just end up having FAs or I have nothing to write on, I remember that I once tried to write on my chest with a pen-sized laser that was next to my bed, until I realized that I can't write on my chest with a laser, lol, I must have been very tired.

I usually write down my DJ in the Windows notepad, it's easier because my computer sometimes remains turned on at night, so I can write as soon as I wake up.

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Writhing your dreams to Windows notepad seems to be a good thing. From my "still rather poor" experience. Even running computer could makes your brain more active than it would be in full silence. What about you? When have you better recall? On silence, or on some noise?

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Originally Posted by MrDeJaWu

i been practiseing DR for few mths now and lately (Juz last whole week lol) i been able to recall up to 5 different dreams when i wake up like 5-6 hours been to bed, when i went back to bed i can recall like 1 or 2 more dreams after tat. but now i cant lol becoz last sat, sun i m too lazy to write the dreams.. lol it's really long n troublesome!!

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Do you think it is about laziness. For me... It was not about laziness first. The laziness came after few days, when the recall didnt come from itself.

Am I wrong?

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Originally Posted by adraw

So from what you say, and from what I experienced. Most important thing is to get the brain into some state, where it works. Unfortunately. The brain is not ready everytime. And the question would be... Why? Whats the difference? How can I recognize the right state in the evening (When I decide to perform the attempts)? {only think i can remember from THAT evening was the feeling of real dedication. I threw everything else away. I felt good that evening. Plenty of sleep and good mood}.

One more think. Technique about remembering last days seems really promissing too. Still. I would be interested. Is this the only think you do before you fall asleep? I am asking, becouse I have problems falling asleep, when i try too hard.

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You're absolutely correct adraw. The brain is not ready every time. And that's what makes anything involving dreaming or lucid dreaming so difficult.

The brain by its very nature learns and grows new dendrites, which are branches on nerve cells that receive and process information from other nerve cells that form the basis of menory, when it encounters something new.

Unfortunately though, when the brain recognizes an experience that it has already encountered before it gets sort of lazy and goes on autopilot, so doesn't work as hard.

This is why so many things work the first time you try them, but then never work again after the first time.

To keep the brain strong and active a person needs to keep it guessing by giving it new experiences.

This could be as simple as listening to a different type of recording or music each night instead of the same one every night.

I usually try to review the days events in my mind before getting into bed, because once I am in bed thinking about almost anything tends to keep me awake.

After getting an intiial 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 hours of sleep, I then practice other things such as changing myself from feeling heavy to light, expanding and contracting my energy, building a protective shield around myself, and transporting myself around my house in my imagination.

I'm still working on ways to give my own brain new experiences to keep it guessing because it is something I just learned from this latest book I just finished reading:

http://www.amazon.com/Keep-Your-Brai.../dp/0761110526

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Originally Posted by iadr

You're absolutely correct adraw. The brain is not ready every time. And that's what makes anything involving dreaming or lucid dreaming so difficult.

The brain by its very nature learns and grows new dendrites, which are branches on nerve cells that receive and process information from other nerve cells that form the basis of menory, when it encounters something new.

Unfortunately though, when the brain recognizes an experience that it has already encountered before it gets sort of lazy and goes on autopilot, so doesn't work as hard.

This is why so many things work the first time you try them, but then never work again after the first time.

To keep the brain strong and active a person needs to keep it guessing by giving it new experiences.

This could be as simple as listening to a different type of recording or music each night instead of the same one every night.

I usually try to review the days events in my mind before getting into bed, because once I am in bed thinking about almost anything tends to keep me awake.

After getting an intiial 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 hours of sleep, I then practice other things such as changing myself from feeling heavy to light, expanding and contracting my energy, building a protective shield around myself, and transporting myself around my house in my imagination.

I'm still working on ways to give my own brain new experiences to keep it guessing because it is something I just learned from this latest book I just finished reading:

http://www.amazon.com/Keep-Your-Brai.../dp/0761110526

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As for what i understand. It is important to build lucid dreaming skills under ever changing circumstances, so the brain has something new to process everytime we try LD. And as the brain processes the information, it also creates associations in brain concerning that information. And as there is always LD present in these associations, it covers bigger area in brain than it would, if we only repeated the same again. I thing... This could be named passive lucid learning or spreading LD across brain.

Your advice about doing relaxation tasks and other mental task after awakening is what i always searched for. I do relaxation at the evening and I cannot fall asleep then, becouse my brain is highly activated. But after having some delta sleep, my body is relaxed, and so is my brain. Activating the brain later helps, becouse it accelerates lucid dreamin. I am going to test it tonight. I feel it helps.

Thank you a lot for your experiences. This helps... Really.

NOw... Just to find the set of experiences to give a brain in late night.

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Originally Posted by adraw

As for what i understand. It is important to build lucid dreaming skills under ever changing circumstances, so the brain has something new to process everytime we try LD. And as the brain processes the information, it also creates associations in brain concerning that information. And as there is always LD present in these associations, it covers bigger area in brain than it would, if we only repeated the same again. I thing... This could be named passive lucid learning or spreading LD across brain.

Now... Just to find the set of experiences to give a brain in late night.

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Great summary adraw.

Understanding how the brain works can be helpful in understanding why things that once worked often stop working.

I think the biggest reason that things stop working is that the brain gets lazy once it hears something one time, so then goes on autopilot and just ignores it any time after that first time.

So, continuing to give the brain new experience to keep it guessing, and working to figure out what is going on, may be very beneficial in helping to become lucid.

I'm just beginning to experiment with this myself tonight also as I just realized this the other day after reading my latest book on the brain.

Let the experiments begin!

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Great summary adraw.

Understanding how the brain works can be helpful in understanding why things that once worked often stop working.

I think the biggest reason that things stop working is that the brain gets lazy once it hears something one time, so then goes on autopilot and just ignores it any time after that first time.

So, continuing to give the brain new experience to keep it guessing, and working to figure out what is going on, may be very beneficial in helping to become lucid.

I'm just beginning to experiment with this myself tonight also as I just realized this the other day after reading my latest book on the brain.

Let the experiments begin!

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Yeah the experiments. They are crucial. I found that book. ANd am starting to read it. It seems to be lot of interesting and beneficial information. It seems that we actually dont have information how our waking memmory works and we are trying to manipulate our dream memmory. So I thing its all about taking the right steps one after another. First would be... Learn how normal memmory works. Next would be. Find correlations between dream and waking memmory. ANd the third. Use your dream memmory according to what you learned. Using it without studying first is like hit and miss. It might work, but it doesnt have to. So lets study and give reports to DreamViews. People here deserve the right anmount of information.

Adraw.

BTW> Tell me about your sucesses.