WILD Problems

I have had the following same experience many times. It seems to me that I get to the very FINAL stage of WILD then I do not enter the lucid dream. What can I try to do to fix it?

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Eventually after 20 minutes my body went into SP, I began to feel as though I was traveling at amazing speeds and I was seeing lots of colors. But I ignored them and pretended to be asleep and they just went away. This repeated it self 3 times, and I counted to 550, then I had no will left and went to bed.

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This always is about 1-2 hours in duration and sometimes I look at the colors and sometimes I do not.

Last night I felt like I was not even looking through my own eyes at the colors, and I felt my eyes jerking around in my head.

Wow. Great self-induced sleep paralysis. The power of suggestion triumphs again!

No sleep paralysis should last longer than a few minutes, unless it is imagined (though this form of sleep paralysis is an interesting paradigm of the extent of mind over body). 1-2 hours is enough to cover an entire sleep cycle. Somehow, I doubt your body was asleep.

Were you tired? Are you able to fall asleep easily after failure? Do you feel restless during WILD? Can you often feel the sheets above and beneath you? Do you swallow a lot? Do you sometimes involuntarily twitch?

Some methods are easier for people than others. I suggest at least using reality checks after awakening, if you choose to continue this technique.

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Originally Posted by Abra

Wow. Great self-induced sleep paralysis. The power of suggestion triumphs again!

No sleep paralysis should last longer than a few minutes, unless it is imagined (though this form of sleep paralysis is an interesting paradigm of the extent of mind over body). 1-2 hours is enough to cover an entire sleep cycle. Somehow, I doubt your body was asleep.

Were you tired? Are you able to fall asleep easily after failure? Do you feel restless during WILD? Can you often feel the sheets above and beneath you? Do you swallow a lot? Do you sometimes involuntarily twitch?

Some methods are easier for people than others. I suggest at least using reality checks after awakening, if you choose to continue this technique.

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Thanks for the reply! Very interesting!

Were you tired?
Yes I was

Are you able to fall asleep easily after failure?
Within a minute

Do you feel restless during WILD?
99% of the time no

Can you often feel the sheets above and beneath you?
At first I felt hot under them and wanted to move. Eventually I lost track of where I was, and I during SP I did not even feel like I was in my waking body.

Do you swallow a lot?
Just Once, and that was 5 minutes into it.

Do you sometimes involuntarily twitch?
I twitch constantly from 5 minutes into it, and my eyes randomly move during sp, my limbs get numb, I feel as though I cant move but I probably could.

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I suggest at least using reality checks after awakening, if you choose to continue this technique.

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Right before I went to sleep I looked at the clock and it was about 4am, which is about right I think. I also tried to breath though my nose with the passage closed. But I remember those failing while I was dreaming in the past. With my RC history I might not be able to trust them at all.

If I was in fact dreaming when I went to bed I was amazingly lucid. Maybe I should move something in real life on my counter next time and see if its moved when I wake in the morning.

Hmm. You seem to be in the right mindset for WILDing, which is a great indicator. If you continue practicing, I'm sure you'll get the hang of it soon.

One more question, when do you attempt to WILD? Perhaps this is the only piece of the puzzle that needs twisting. WILDing at the beginning of the night yields the worst results (takes too long, not as vivid, etc.) while WILDing too close to your normal waking time is not good, either (once your body gets its fill of REM sleep, any WILD attempt becomes a dreamless meditation session).

Reality checks are always good. Wouldn't it suck if you finally entered a dream, but thought it was a failed WILD and continued on in non lucidity? Double check the clock--in a dream, the numbers will most likely change (even if the time appears to be acceptable).

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Originally Posted by Abra

Hmm. You seem to be in the right mindset for WILDing, which is a great indicator. If you continue practicing, I'm sure you'll get the hang of it soon.

One more question, when do you attempt to WILD? Perhaps this is the only piece of the puzzle that needs twisting. WILDing at the beginning of the night yields the worst results (takes too long, not as vivid, etc.) while WILDing too close to your normal waking time is not good, either (once your body gets its fill of REM sleep, any WILD attempt becomes a dreamless meditation session).

Reality checks are always good. Wouldn't it suck if you finally entered a dream, but thought it was a failed WILD and continued on in non lucidity? Double check the clock--in a dream, the numbers will most likely change (even if the time appears to be acceptable).

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The last few times have been 2 1/2 hours after initially going to bed. Maybe I need to aim for 3-4 hours and try that.

Are you usually dreaming when you wake up to do a WILD? It seems that I never am, and the only time I wake and was dreaming was like 6+ hours after going to sleep.

Last night I attempted to WILD again with no success.

I slept 6 hours, awoke for 20 minutes and I was awake enough to go back to bed so I did. I awoke out of a dream and I was dreaming when I awoke in the morning.

I then made it all the way till my body was numb and then SP started. I could see colors and felt like I was flying around but I never entered a dream.

When SP was going I tried to imagine how it feels to be in my backyard laying in the grass. I hoped that I would just appear there and did not.

I then went to bed, it was after 1 1/2 hours of laying there. I did 2 different RCs and threw my phone onto the ground. It was on the ground where I threw it in the morning.

I think I did everything right and just hit bad luck maybe.

I think your problem is what you do during SP.

What am suppose to do?

I have tried:

1.) To ignore it completely
2.) To look at the colors and follow them
3.) To imagine being somewhere, and how it feels there.

Isnt SP the gateway to being in a dream? Am I not just suppose to appear in my backyard or whereever during that stage?

I think Barns' might be the most useless, unhelpful reply I've ever read.

Have you tried "rolling" out of your body?

I wish I could get as far as you have when WILDing.

How do you "roll out of your body"? I have never heard of it.

I've never gotten to this point, but I think you're just supposed to imagine your body rolling to the side, and your dream body will roll out of your real body. See Clairity's WILD technique tutorial. I think somewhere in the comments she explains it.