Help transitioning from SP into a LD

Ok so, after a number of failed attempts to WILD I can now seem to to get into SP consistently, but I can't seem to transition into a LD. I have tried a number of times and every time I get into SP and feel like I'm laying on a board that is tipping me off to one side, and sometimes the direction of the pull seems to move around a bit, but that is all I get, and I just kinda lay there in that state and I can never seem to transition. I can't seem to find any advice besides, "just lie there and wait for it to happen." Is it just that I'm not waiting long enough or is there something else that I'm missing? Any advice would be really helpful, thanks in advance.

Quick question: Do you WILD with a WBTB or before you sleep?

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Originally Posted by fffxc2

Ok so, after a number of failed attempts to WILD I can now seem to to get into SP consistently, but I can't seem to transition into a LD. I have tried a number of times and every time I get into SP and feel like I'm laying on a board that is tipping me off to one side, and sometimes the direction of the pull seems to move around a bit, but that is all I get, and I just kinda lay there in that state and I can never seem to transition. I can't seem to find any advice besides, "just lie there and wait for it to happen." Is it just that I'm not waiting long enough or is there something else that I'm missing? Any advice would be really helpful, thanks in advance.

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Learn how to move your dream body without moving your physical body, after SP starts keep trying and eventually you will move and be in a different body.

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Learn how to move your dream body without moving your physical body, after SP starts keep trying and eventually you will move and be in a different body.

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so try to move mentally? like picture yourself moving?

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Originally Posted by aceboy

so try to move mentally? like picture yourself moving?

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Nope, not at all.

For example, try to move your arm right now with your eyes closed, but don't actually move you muscles at all. Just send the signal. It takes a bit of practice, but you do not need to imagine anything.

You should just start moving if it works.

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Quick question: Do you WILD with a WBTB or before you sleep?

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I do get to this point in both, though I seem to be more successful getting into SP before I go to sleep.

Also thanks for the advice, I'm gonna try tonight and see how it goes. Wish me luck since it sounds like it might take a few tries to get my dream body to move :?

You should be able to practice while you are awake to get it down.

hmm..in that case I should start practicing now to get ready for tonight.

That sounds like some good advice, and something I haven't tried really hard at.

Dont be surprised when you are in two places at once if it works. You will still be able to feel the sheets until you get up and rub you hands together...etc.

I tried it today, though I was only able to do it for about 20 minutes. I started by counting breaths, then I tried to visualize my arms reaching and grabbing a rope above me, climbing, like I read in Astral Dynamics. It only ever seemed like a visualization though, not a real dream at all. So, I gave up on that and just tried to focus on sending the signal to just move my hands and arms. They felt like they were made of solid lead though.I couldn't move or get them to separate from my body at all. A few times I tried to visualize myself free, but again, it just felt like a visualization.

I was encouraged though that though my hands were in my pockets, I couldn't feel my cell phone or the fabric of my pockets with them at all.

Do you have any suggestions on separating, besides to just try longer?

to Tryble, you should WILD after waking up, but you shouldn't stay up for as long as a WBTB.

when waking up in the night, how long should you wait before going back to sleep? :|

Tried again today. First, I woke up at 5:15, then tried but couldn't get comfortable and was still really sleepy, so I drifted off. I woke at 6:45, stayed up for an hour, then tried again for 30 minutes. I had to really concentrate, but I started to feel my right hand moving on it's own. I tried to will it to raise up, but I couldn't really feel it vividly. I then tried to get the same feeling in my left hand, and about 5 minutes later, I could feel it turning. Still, I felt like my body was made of solid lead, but it was pretty neat to feel my fingers move on their own. Now if I could just raise my arms to grab the rope.