I don't have any effectie methods. Except the Placebo Effect I think.
What are yours?
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I don't have any effectie methods. Except the Placebo Effect I think.
What are yours?
im still trying to get lucid :(
WBTB + anyone, DILD i guess.
WBTB + MILD, or when I get myself really worked up becoz I havnt had a lucid dream in such a long time
Dream Chaining w/WILD = a WILD in 5 seconds = SUPER EFFECTIVE
Before i sleep i tell myself im going to LD tonight, do this many times, eventualy it will work. Persistance pays off and makes it all worth the while when it finaly works. Also Waking up early in the morning then going back to sleep while telling yourself you want to LD works. the key word is Persistance.
I use many techniques, but my most effective ...
Take 2 mg of melatonin. Sleep 5-5.5 hours. Take 8 mg galantamine, 400 mg choline. Watch a little TV and doze off. The galantamine wakes me within 60 min of taking it +/- 10 min.
Gauranteed WILD when I fall back asleep. Probably one or more additional lucids after that. The lucid window for me is about 1-2.5 hrs after taking galantamine.
Well, thats the best method there is, placebo is fantastic.Quote:
Except the Placebo Effect I think
I like to do morning WILDs on weekends, it is really reliable too. (Although it's only twice a week)
When you say "placebo" are you talking about autosuggestion? People talk a lot about "placebo's" in relation to lucid dreaming but the matter of fact is is that placebo's themselves are used in medical trials (originally) as something of no intrinsic remedial value that is used to reinforce the patient getting well in a control group to measure the effectivness of a drug. Basically they want to know if its all in the mind and thats where get the "placebo effect" from but in terms of lucid dreaming what we are trying to acheive is all in the mind to begin with so it doesnt exactly apply in the same context if you get what im saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamGlimpse
Autosuggestion works yeilding a relatively low percentage of lucid dreams but still getting some results.
In regards to LDs, the placebo effect refers to the idea that believing something will cause a LD, and will generally do so; dreams and sleep are generally more susceptible to belief, expectations, autosuggestion and whatnot, so it's a fairly noticeable benefit.
Example, over in the Lucid Aids forum there's a thread about B6. One guy there posted a few links to studies that show that B6 is actually more likely to reduce REM sleep and such. But people around here still insist that it's the best thing evarz in helping with LDs.
There's a difference between autosuggestion and placebo.
hmm yes i see your point there. dreams are built on beliefs and expectations. in the near future I need to do some study on lucidity aids. I noticed the tutorials section has a massive post on it.
Jokes aside i think placebos are wonderful! results are results no matter how you obtain em.
dah! where do you get all that stuff. the melatonin, malanatamine and the choline.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrTechnical
I've tried almost every method I've read about and gotten all but a few to work. Lately though I discovered one of my own. I just let my mind wander normally until I realize that I'm dozing off, then I just keep repeating "I'm dreaming, I'm dreaming, I'm dreaming..." until I end up in a WILD. It probably only takes a few minutes.
To me its very simple and much less boring than laying there trying to count or visualize etc. I also find I am less susceptible to distractions such as getting an itch or my bf snoring when I let myself half fall asleep this way. Also, it can easily be done without WBTB.
I think there is no one "Most effective" method for everyone though. From reading these boards the past few months I've noticed that almost all of the successful LDers have a different method that works best for them. My advice would be to try multiple things and eventually you'll fine tune a method that works well for you.
In order of effectiveness:
DEILD
WILD (though DEILD is a form of WILD, but a bit different)
MILD
Reality-Checks
I'm currently focusing on WILD.
Galantamine and choline are sold together in several commercially available products. Do a google search on "lucid dreams + galantamine".Quote:
Originally Posted by Xallie
Melatonine is legal and easily available in the US at any drug store. I have heard that it's a controlled substance in some contries.
I've WILD'd doing something almost exactly the same. I knew I had a perfect opportunity to WILD naturally so I just set my intention to and let myself drift... the pictures got clearer and clearer and I attempted to interact with them at one stage but it failed to bring me into a dream... my mind wandered and i fell asleep for a few minutes and had a random dream about working. Half awoke from that and was in the perfect position to WILD... payed attention to my HI observing details and BAM, WILD. I did not try hard to not let my thoughts stray, i went with the flow and it worked. keep reading and you'll see why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amelaclya
I'd like to share an insight with you on this matter if i may as I feel your method here although typically "unorthodox" for a WILD is actually quite a good way to go about doing it. You see the subconscious mind is a goal-striving mechanism (its just like a servo-mechanism)... Set it with a goal and it works to execute it. Set no goal and it does nothing, you go nowhere... Its a basic survival mechanism really. Think of it like an interceptor missile (servo-mechanism)... it sees the missile it must intercept (its goal) and it makes its way foward, correcting all its little mistakes along the way via negative feedback "hey you're off course!"...
Most failure is due to EXCESSIVE negative feedback. Take for example someone who stutters... they are listening to their voice so much they pick up every error and over correct it. Plug their ears so they can no longer hear their voice and they can speak without stuttering. The same applies to WILD. People try TOO hard to WILD most of the time when they are learning to WILD using methods that involve WBTB... they receive EXCESSIVE negative feedback and the result is they fail or have extreme difficulty. For 99% of people when WILDing everything is "at stake"... they feel they MUST WILD (and often spend a LOT of time trying to do so). When you're trying to learn something in a situation where you're over-motivated this is called a crisis situation... and its a deathtrap.
When I say "crisis" lets just say "everything is on the line" is what i mean. "Do or die" kind of mentality.
When something is LEARNED in a "crisis" situation very NARROW maps are formed in the brain. EG if you learn how to get out of a burning building while it is on fire you will rush it, probably go the wrong ways and have a difficult time. Assuming you make it out alive... next time you find yourself in the same situation you will perform NO BETTER than you did the first time and it will be very difficult for you to learn new ways of doing things... This is the case of all learning when you are "over-motivated" and it is proven science... This is the exact reason fire drills exist... when you learn something in a calm, relaxed environment when nothing is "at stake" very FLEXIBLE maps are formed in the brain and this allows you to adapt what you've learned to any situation and performance is very smooth. Obviously the latter is the desired outcome. Once again this applies to WILDs! Which is basically my point for the entire post... Your method seems much more relaxed and at ease than most other WILD methods.
Advice to all those learning to WILD... just relax and let go of attachment to results.
I completely agree Mez. In the beginning I felt exactly how you described while learning to WILD. Failure was incredibly frustrating and it began to feel like I was wasting precious hours of sleep when I failed. Even though my successes were so fantastic, it just wasn't enough to offset the annoyance I felt everytime I couldn't do it. So I started trying less and less.
However, while trying all of the different WILD techniques, I learned to recognize many of the stages that you go through on the way to sleep, such as the HI, vibrations, heaviness, sounds etc. Things you never really notice unless you are looking for them and/or know what to expect.
Because of this knowledge, I started noticing while falling asleep without really *trying* to WILD, that I was still aware of many of these symptoms and could use them to my advantage to LD easier.
Someone else on this website (I'm sorry but I forgot who) said that instead of learning how to keep our mind awake, we need to learn how to fall asleep. I think that is very good advice!
yes, your practical experience works much to your advantage. I think its crucial to take this relaxed approach while initially learning to WILD.
I think thats brilliant advice and that too is my perspective on WILDing! You gotta be asleep to have a dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amelaclya
WAke up at 4-6 am and move to another room to wild, or if i accidently fall asleep i still have a pretty good chance of having a dild.
Before going to bed, I use auto-suggestion. I recite my dreams signs, and say that I will know I'm dreaming if I see them. I naturally wake up after 5-6 hours of sleep. So, I reaffirm myself, and dream signs before going back to sleep. Possibly listen to a lucid mp3, turn it off, then fall back asleep. Usually, I will catch myself in a Dild soon after falling asleep. I also take DMAE. Going to try galantamine soon.
DILD :P Don't really try to lucid :D
/bragging...
Naps help out quite alot though, if anyones had a bad day or been extremely busy then I'd suggest a nap and lucid your way to peace :dreaming:
ah, dreamchaning in really effective to.
I haven't had many, but the most effective method for me so far is WBTB + MILD. :)