Unable to create anything...:(

Hi, I am able to have lucid dreams at will now but I am unable to 'create' things that are unreal like for example if I wanted someone or something in the lucid dream to appear. I did think of 'special' ways to conjure up almost anything but I never remember to do them in the dream or that it dosen't work. I think it has to do with the way my mind works, it's too dependant on things that already exist in reality as I rely alot on physical things/items to have my lucid dreams. How do you overcome this problem?

IMJ

Sigh...30 views and noone has this problem..:(.

IMJ

Have you tried opening a door and just expecting a DC or thing to be there?

There are a number of ways you can do this.

Live above opening doors, spinning, closing and opening your eyes, asking a DC to point you in the direction of the person you are looking for.

Good luck.

Simply deciding is the best way, later you may encounter things that just aren't as you wish you will have to go to that item or DC and have to destroy it and recreate it. Sometimes my immediate DC's the one that are there when I become lucid, want to exist a little too much, sometimes I end up destroying everyting because they piss me off. But just close your eyes and wish it back and it will almost always be there.

Hi, thanks for replying! Problem is all my lucid dreams are in the house and there is noone else. I will try the closing eyes method but wouldn't that wake me up from the dream?

IMJ

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Hi, thanks for replying! Problem is all my lucid dreams are in the house and there is noone else. I will try the closing eyes method but wouldn't that wake me up from the dream?

IMJ

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Well, if you expect to be woken up from the dream when you close your eyes you probably will. I don't expect to be woken up so I can close my eyes in my dreams and I don't wake up. That's what I do to summon things. I close my eyes and hold out my hand and visualise the thing I want to summon. Soon enough I feel a weight in my hands and I've got the thing I summoned.

About the changing scenery thing, you could just close your eyes but if you think your gonna wake up you could just open a door and expect a whole different scenery to be there. It should work. Hope this helped.

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Well, if you expect to be woken up from the dream when you close your eyes you probably will. I don't expect to be woken up so I can close my eyes in my dreams and I don't wake up. That's what I do to summon things. I close my eyes and hold out my hand and visualise the thing I want to summon. Soon enough I feel a weight in my hands and I've got the thing I summoned.

About the changing scenery thing, you could just close your eyes but if you think your gonna wake up you could just open a door and expect a whole different scenery to be there. It should work. Hope this helped.

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No go...:(. I tried it last night in the LD...nothing appeared....:P. I will try spinning.

IMJ

Keep trying. Almost everybody has control issues from time to time. Hell, every now and then I will have a lucid where I can't even fly.

Keep trying to manifest stuff in any way you can think of and eventually you will succeed. You don't even have to try a new technique every time. You may fail 20 times in a row to manifest a sandwich by "expecting" one to be behind you, but on the 21st try, it may work.

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Keep trying. Almost everybody has control issues from time to time. Hell, every now and then I will have a lucid where I can't even fly.

Keep trying to manifest stuff in any way you can think of and eventually you will succeed. You don't even have to try a new technique every time. You may fail 20 times in a row to manifest a sandwich by "expecting" one to be behind you, but on the 21st try, it may work.

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LOL....A sandwich.

IMJ

Expect them to be there. If they aren't at your house, they must've gotten wrong directions and went to your neighbor's instead. That's alright, though, because your neighbor is friendly and left the door open. In fact, he/she is out back, cooking you a steak on the patio.

It doesn't take fancy magic to get them to appear. If you don't wish to accept them coming from nowhere, then fool your mind.

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Originally Posted by Abra

Expect them to be there. If they aren't at your house, they must've gotten wrong directions and went to your neighbor's instead. That's alright, though, because your neighbor is friendly and left the door open. In fact, he/she is out back, cooking you a steak on the patio.

It doesn't take fancy magic to get them to appear. If you don't wish to accept them coming from nowhere, then fool your mind.

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Nice!...I think this could work. Thanks guys...:D.

IMJ

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Originally Posted by imj

Hi, I am able to have lucid dreams at will now but I am unable to 'create' things that are unreal like for example if I wanted someone or something in the lucid dream to appear. I did think of 'special' ways to conjure up almost anything but I never remember to do them in the dream or that it dosen't work. I think it has to do with the way my mind works, it's too dependant on things that already exist in reality as I rely alot on physical things/items to have my lucid dreams. How do you overcome this problem?

IMJ

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Look away and imagine where you were looking and the object / person you desire there in great detail. Then look back and it will be there. Works for me :)

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Originally Posted by Arthurium

Look away and imagine where you were looking and the object / person you desire there in great detail. Then look back and it will be there. Works for me :)

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Thanks!

IMJ

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Originally Posted by Abra

Expect them to be there. If they aren't at your house, they must've gotten wrong directions and went to your neighbor's instead. That's alright, though, because your neighbor is friendly and left the door open. In fact, he/she is out back, cooking you a steak on the patio.

It doesn't take fancy magic to get them to appear. If you don't wish to accept them coming from nowhere, then fool your mind.

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but if you want you can use fancy magic to do stuff because it can be believable. for example, i had trouble getting through a mirror in my bathroom. so i said "oh, i forgot to drink this magic water from the sink" and i went right in. you do not need to conjure up a potion to do it, just try to use things around you to give you a super power. (and i am a big fan of the verbal cammand.) of course if you just want to find someone it might be better to do what abra said. but this just helped me with super power related things. then after awhile you can lose all of this fancy stuff and just expect things to appear.

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but if you want you can use fancy magic to do stuff because it can be believable. for example, i had trouble getting through a mirror in my bathroom. so i said "oh, i forgot to drink this magic water from the sink" and i went right in. you do not need to conjure up a potion to do it, just try to use things around you to give you a super power. (and i am a big fan of the verbal cammand.) of course if you just want to find someone it might be better to do what abra said. but this just helped me with super power related things. then after awhile you can lose all of this fancy stuff and just expect things to appear.

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LOL....You guys are more creative than I am. I never thought of it that way to use items around me to 'create' stuff...:P.

IMJ

Just make it appear…?

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Just make it appear…?

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Yeah, thats what imj trying to do but does not know how.

I've had a lot of trouble with this, too. I try to summon people but they are translucent or they turn into something else. The spinning thing has worked for me pretty well. It manages to change a scene entirely. Sometimes I can bring people into the picture by spinning or by grabbing a dream character and changing them. Objects can be morphed, once I turned a car into a rabbit. It's hard to keep the dream from shaking, though... for me, anyway.

i only summoned people once but i succeeded by closing my eyes then reaching behind me knowing that person was there

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LOL....A sandwich.

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It is now one of my goals, to go on a lucid sandwich binge.
Quiznos sandwiches, to be specific.

imj, i think that the problem is that you are stuck on the fact that you can't. there are several ways to have dream control. the main thing is to BELIEVE you can do it. remember...you are in a dream so anything that can be thought can be done. sometimes closing your eyes may work, or maybe affirmations while in the dream. for example "my friend john doe is here" or, "i am flying" and it will happen. just keep your affirmations in the present tense and EXPECT them to work. a trick i used that worked is something i got from reading naruto. i simply slammed my hand into the ground and whatever i wanted appeared in a puff of smoke, sometimes whole dreamscapes, would appear once the smoke settled. =P hope this helps!

I have created people before by molding them out of clay. But that makes sense to me because I am an artist. I would suggest doing things that make sense to you in your waking life. For example I learnt to fly in my dreams by treading water in air. Then once I knew I could fly, I no longer had to use that method.
How about looking people up on face book on your computer in your LD and then bringing their image into life or opening a book and expecting to find the image you are looking for?

Hey I just made a post in dream control about this. I just figured out a new technique for me last night in a lucid that works great! I play a game called oblivion. I thought it would be good to get things I wanted by casting spells like in the game. To spawn stuff in a dream usualy I have to hope something is out of my sight and turn to see if its there. This never worked for me very well. Last night I tried saying what I wanted out loud as a spell and doing a small hand movement like in the game and what I wanted appeared in my hand without me looking away or anything.

Hope this helps!