Getting more help with MILD from your subconscious

Someone telling me about suggestion and I mentioned the MILD technique, now I was told that 'you' is a more powerful suggestion than 'I' but the most powerful suggestion phrase is using someone’s name. He was telling me he had read about a technique in passing that involved naming your subconscious and asking it to do things that your conscious mind could not. For example asking the subconscious something you can't remember and eventually the information you need is brought into your conscious mind and you actively remember it.

I was thinking this probably has applications within LDing as a extension of the MILD technique. This could really do with some further research of which I don’t have time to do at the moment but the basic idea is as follows:

-First name you subconscious it is extremely important the name is something bizarre else you might find that if someone externally uses it on you and you don’t actively catch it they could suggest things to you (I’m not really sure how dangerous this is). Naming is as simple as saying “subconscious your name is ‘X’ from now on”

-When you wake up after the first stage of MILD tell your subconscious you are going to have a lucid dream and it should help you out by helping you notice it’s a dream

-go back to sleep

I tried the technique last night and something happened that might indicate some progress but as yet nothing conclusive I will keep you posted :-)

(thanks for reading such a long post)

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Current known phrases (replace x with your subconscious name):
" x is lucid dreaming, x has self control" -from ironlung
"x and I will have a lucid dream" or "x will be lucid." -from Scwigglie
"x is lucid dreaming,YOU are lucid dreaming" over and over till sleep -from The Guardians

Using short term goals like flying have also been proven to work as an adition to the phrases above.

interesting. Im guessing we can name it anything. ill try it tonight

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Originally posted by nightowl
interesting. Im guessing we can name it anything. ill try it tonight

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You can name it anything I use a combination of 2 words and a number for mine so it’s really unusual. Thing is I’m not sure how much you have to actually tell yourself that its your subconscious’ name for it to actually work I expect a few times during a day would probably fix it in there, maybe less.

good luck :-)

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That's a pretty brilliant idea.. don't know if it'll work, but I'll try it. I'll keep ya posted.. and you do too, okay? :-P

after using 'I' for so long it's kind of hard to stop ;( I'm going to try this and use a nickname given to me by someon else, hope it can help me progress :arrow: LD tonight.

It worked combined with game over's WBTB method. I...er Gumby wins!

First LD details

How did I miss this thread? Anyways, this sounds bizzare and quite interesting. Im thinking of a name now...

wait so I say stuff like "pete will have a lucid dream tonight"

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Originally posted by wasup
wait so I say stuff like \"pete will have a lucid dream tonight\"

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Here's what I said back to back:
"gumby is lucid dreaming"
"gumby has self control"

So saying something like, "Mr. Blahblah, you will help me have a LD tonight," wouldn't work? You have to say, "Mr. Blahblah is lucid dreaming."?

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Originally posted by Scwigglie
So saying something like, \"Mr. Blahblah, you will help me have a LD tonight,\" wouldn't work? You have to say, \"Mr. Blahblah is lucid dreaming.\"?

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i wanna know that to. what you said kinda confuses me...

I named my subocnious "Noodles" :)

I named my subconscious some cool German name I saw somewhere, and the next day a newbie comes here who's place of residence is called the exact same thing! :P What a ko-in-ke-dink.

By the way, this technique really works for me. That coupled with WBTB.

I think this is a good technique. I got a half lucid dream last night and i'm expecting one tongiht.

Woha im glad you guys have found this usefull ill try and use it with WBTB asap. :-)

I named mine yesterday and it helped me get the closest to lucid I've ever been. Its weird that I've never heard of this method before.

I just have one question: What exactly do you say when your talking to your subconsious? Like "Hey INSERTNAME, help me have a lucid dream"? or what?

What worked for me was saying, "Insertnamehere and I will have a lucid dream" or "Insertnamehere will be lucid."

i have no idea what to say to it either, i guess you just say stuff to it like you would another person :P

i named mine, no, im not telling you what.

i'll get back to ya if this works, or not

Since everything here has some kind of acronym, how about we call this NST (named subconscious technique) for now and save everyone some keyboard mileage :-).

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Originally posted by OrangeStar
closest to lucid I've ever been. Its weird that I've never heard of this method before.

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Probably because I only got the idea for doing it last week :-P

As for what to say I would ask the people who have had really good success with this tech to post what phrases you used. Unfortunately I’ve been too drunk this last week to make much progress so I’m relying on you hardcore dreamers out there to give me a hand. Thanks to Scwigglie & ironlung who have already posted there phrases but the rest of you post them when you get a result!

Lastly thanks to all of you who have tried this out, when I posted I thought everyone might think this one was a bit too weird but it just goes to show how cool and open minded the people here are :-D

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Originally posted by lord soth
i have no idea what to say to it either, i guess you just say stuff to it like you would another person :P *

i named mine, no, im not telling you what.

i'll get back to ya if this works, or not

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For people who don't know what to say & about how I came about what I say: It's your subconcious so you should be in control.

I've been using normal Mnemonics/RC for a while with no LDs. I figured instead of asking my subconscious I'd tell it what I ordered. So instead of "Am I dreaming" I'd recite "x is LDing, x has self control" in a confident way and have strong intent to LD that night. I'd also imagine the pysical RC of putting my finger though my palm with mental visualizations as much as possible during mnemonics. Its been working so far and I expect it to continue too.

If you're more experienced and aren't like me (newbie) you might want to replace 'self control' with 'full control'. A short name for your subconscious helps too since you can recite mnemonics easier.

I manged a short LD last night using NST and im getting a feel for how it works. With me i find that my subconscious dreams up situations that will be more likely to casue me to go lucid. For instance last night i became lucid by noticing that in my dream my arm had passed through a dream character (putting my arms into objects is what i use as an RC as an extention of the finger through hand thing).

What do other people find happens when using this tech?

I modified my mnemonics strategy a little. Instead of "name has self control" I start inputting short term goals which I want to accomplish that night. Since usually when I'm lucid I'm not sure what I want to do and lose it before I can even do something I found this to be a good strategy for me.

I had my 3rd shorty LD tonight and successfully flew by saying "Gumby can fly" after my normal "Gumby is LDing." I just flew straight up really fast until clouds were blocking my view of everything below and I lost lucidity after that.

I'm going to start focusing on getting longer LDs so my new 2nd line is probably going to be "gumby can maintain lucidity"

My strategy is talking to my subconciosu all the time. Not just one request. Im trying to have a relationship with my subconciosu so we can work together. When im reading something on the forum I say "Hey Noodles, we should do that". And well, I have Noodles to thank for having a Matrix style dream. I was "talking" with him about it and my dream started out with me proving matrix concepts were ture and it didnt take me long to become lucid when I could do shit like that(see Matrix Style LD thread for details).

So instead of ordering my subconcious around or asking for random favors Im trying to develope a relationship with him. He's here with me now, and reading this as I type it, jsut like me. Were in this together....(ok, I may be crazy)

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Originally posted by gameover

So instead of ordering my subconcious around or asking for random favors Im trying to develope a relationship with him. He's here with me now, and reading this as I type it, jsut like me. Were in this together....(ok, I may be crazy)

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I have to say i have been developing the same kind of relationship with mine (thanking for LD's and such) slightly worrying realy :undecided:

Hopefully this tech wont end up turning its users insane!

meh...we're all insane anyways..why not enjoy it :)

Its quite odd really, I've tried doing this in the past, but just talking to my subcon, never actully naming it. I cant wait to try.

oooooo... i wanna try this. this should work with HILDS in the evning, WBTB and wild/mild

I'm starting a kind of relationship with mine as well.

He and I are WBTB right now and doing RC's. And we will have a very STRONG, VIVID and LONG LD in a few moments.

I named mine gameover :-)
One of the few things I could think of that isn't said at all in dutch language really.

so if I blurt out gameover and I are going to bed, don't mind me and let the crazy dutch fool walk around in circles :wink:

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this techinque worked 100% i even used it to stop my self from smoking
and now 3 weeks and i dont :shock: i just repeated my self before going to bed ..the name of my subconcious and told him affirmmly that i really want to stop and if i dont ill be pissed at him

work with lucid dreams i told it that if i dont have any or if it doesnt help me have lucid dream ill be angry at it

first i got awaked after my mind wandering off when im going to sleep while wild it was it that i had sudden realazation i shouldnt fall asleep but go through my wild

and through my dreams ive been bombarded by marks with are you dreaming or is this real? by dream chracters but it is i who dont realize im still training my self

im also using it for other personal things too..its very helpful...as it may sound silly at first but really it isnt



try it when your going to bed or when your very near to lose concious as those are the times the subconcious mind is very attentive....it wont work if ur were walking in a park and suddnly named it zack ..u must be in trance and really want it


and as he said be careful with the naming use a hard to use name...i used a number as a designation

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Originally posted by gameover
My strategy is talking to my subconciosu all the time. Not just one request. Im trying to have a relationship with my subconciosu so we can work together. When im reading something on the forum I say \"Hey Noodles, we should do that\".

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Reminds me of Gollum actually.. but an interesting technique!

Crazy, loony, mentally challenged people do this.

This is a very cool idea, I had my first LD doing this ("talking" with my subconcious, like when you talk with a friend) but actually I didn't think to give it a name, nice :)

thats the most interesting idea i have evr heard about lding. Sounds more like brainwashing but i guess its a form of lding for sure like watching a video tape over and over again and focusing there for the whole week and then falling asleep watching it the way it was, and maybe something more dramastic like 'you' being in the film...with jlo or rachel wesz :)

Hearing the name of the film in real life would certainly instantly make you think how much it bored you out, and then if you could have realised the difference of your subconscious, you would have rememberd what you did in the movie..
I wonder if that technique could work to get you to tell your conscious that your subconscious are 'one'

this sounds really neat, im going to try some of this stuff :o

This sounds like a really cool technique. I don't mind that it's a little odd. I'm a little odd. I named my subconscious Alanna. She and I are going to work on increasing our lucidity, flying, and making the plots of my dreams more interesting. My only question is how to think of my subconcsious. Is she like the person I am in my dream? Should I say we will lucid dream or Alanna will lucid dream? Normally this is what I use for a MILD: I am going to dream. I am in a dream. I am aware of my dream. Should I change that to say Alanna is going to dream. She's in a dream. She's aware of her dream? Or Alanna and I are going to dream. We're in a dream. We're aware of our dream. ? What do you think?

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Originally posted by Imachinchilla
This sounds like a really cool technique. I don't mind that it's a little odd. I'm a little odd. I named my subconscious Alanna. She and I are going to work on increasing our lucidity, flying, and making the plots of my dreams more interesting. My only question is how to think of my subconcsious. Is she like the person I am in my dream? Should I say we will lucid dream or Alanna will lucid dream? Normally this is what I use for a MILD: I am going to dream. I am in a dream. I am aware of my dream. Should I change that to say Alanna is going to dream. She's in a dream. She's aware of her dream? Or Alanna and I are going to dream. We're in a dream. We're aware of our dream. ? What do you think?

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I think it'd be best to think of Alanna as a guiding spirit in your dreams. A dream guide. Your character in your dreams is you, the representation of Self in the dream. If you need help, she's your friend. It's up to you to accomplish anything you've ever wanted.


.. lol, I don't really know. Good luck though!

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Originally posted by Imachinchilla
This sounds like a really cool technique. I don't mind that it's a little odd. I'm a little odd. I named my subconscious Alanna. She and I are going to work on increasing our lucidity, flying, and making the plots of my dreams more interesting. My only question is how to think of my subconcsious. Is she like the person I am in my dream? Should I say we will lucid dream or Alanna will lucid dream? Normally this is what I use for a MILD: I am going to dream. I am in a dream. I am aware of my dream. Should I change that to say Alanna is going to dream. She's in a dream. She's aware of her dream? Or Alanna and I are going to dream. We're in a dream. We're aware of our dream. ? What do you think?

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I find I think of my subconscious as sort of working things behind the scenes helping me out doing things and creating situations that will make it easier for me to notice I am dreaming and induce a lucid dream. But basiclay you should let it manifest how you feel it should and help you how you belive it would. good luck!

Hey this is cool... I'm half insane already... but yeah I can see how this will make the autosuggestion so much more powerful, and I can't wait to try this! I just looked on one of those names sites and found a name that I like, and liked the meaning of too, I think that will make it even stronger. It does sound a little crazy, but what the hell, who wants to be normal?

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Originally posted by Roller
who wants to be normal?

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lol, not me.

Hey everyone,

This is actually my first post on this forum. I was just browsing the tutorials, but was so impressed by this idea of naming the subconscious and talking to it (real nice work Turkeh) that I decided to join. :D

I'm going to try the technique tonight. I've already given my subconscious a unique name, so we'll see what happens. A very intriguing idea!

Maybe I will call mine " Subby" Hey Subby, get me lucid tonight!!!

Maybe I will give him a surname: Subby Wastralopitheckosmemorabilis

Wow. I should copyright this.. Subby sounds very nice, though Wastralopitheckosmemorabilis is cool too.

Float to the top.

This is a very cool idea, I actually did this before every reading about it and didn't realise that it was so popular.

It actually started for me quite by accident... Rather than choosing a name for my subconcious, my subconcious chose her own name during a dream, so her name pretty much instantly fixed within my mind without me even having to do anything and I began to use it all the time from then on. :)

Makes scence. Will try 8)

Hmm... this is an interesting idea. I'll try remembering to do it if I somehow wake up tonight. :idea:

well I can't decide. wich name?
Aldius or Chaith

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Originally posted by Troverman
well I can't decide. wich name?
Aldius or Chaith

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The name is fairly unimportant since its basiclay a mnemonic for your subconcious

Sounds interesting. Hopefully Oval10'll listen better than "I" do.

:mrgreen: "Subconcious, your name is Oval10 from now on. :)"

This is an absolutely LOONEY technique, ideally suited to weird psychotic people with schizophrenic tendencies. :mrgreen: What could be dynamite is to combine it with an audio file played during sleep. (see the thread: FREE DOWNLOADS: LD Audio Files During Sleep).

Suppose you call the subconscious "Matrix", some commands would be: "Matrix, make me conscious in the dream!" or "Matrix, help me recognize I'm dreaming!" or "Matrix, help me realize I'm dreaming!"

I think what Turkeh is proposing is that "I" or "me" are too broad. Which would seemingly be more effective. But not in the scenario Turkeh paints.
This narrows the playing field for the subconscious to muddle through.

I use a similar technique as to have a "place" and name in my head for my memory. I can directly relate things to IT. not just say I (which is all of me ) will remember this.

And loony? To you maybe so. But it is a narrow mind to consider it coined as such for all of us.

Joke, Howetzer, Joke. We are all LOONEY in this Forum, even me. I think its probably a good idea for the reason that calling somebody by name stimulates their attention. The idea of calling the subconscious a name will focus attention on it. This type of thing is typically used in post-hypnotic suggestions, where the hypnotist gives the command that "your subconscious mind will.... etc".

Frankly, I'm not sure if the subconscious mind even exists. The illusion most people have is that they are conscious. The bottom line is that we are trying to reprogram the brain to produce LDs, which means that neural circuits must be reprogrammed. Calling it "subconscious mind" or a "coordinated cluster of Purkinje cells" may be the same thing. It probably doesn't really matter. The important thing is to focus attention on the task of reprogramming "it", whatever "it" may be, and if calling "it" by a name focuses attention on "it" so much the better. Ha !!! Now you've got me going off the deep end. Looney tunes, indeed. Whatever works...

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Originally posted by ZenVortex
Joke, Howetzer, Joke. We are all LOONEY in this Forum, even me. I think its probably a good idea for the reason that calling somebody by name stimulates their attention. The idea of calling the subconscious a name will focus attention on it. This type of thing is typically used in post-hypnotic suggestions, where the hypnotist gives the command that "your subconscious mind will.... etc".

Frankly, I'm not sure if the subconscious mind even exists. The illusion most people have is that they are conscious. The bottom line is that we are trying to reprogram the brain to produce LDs, which means that neural circuits must be reprogrammed. Calling it "subconscious mind" or a "coordinated cluster of Purkinje cells" may be the same thing. It probably doesn't really matter. The important thing is to focus attention on the task of reprogramming "it", whatever "it" may be, and if calling "it" by a name focuses attention on "it" so much the better. Ha !!! Now you've got me going off the deep end. Looney tunes, indeed. Whatever works...

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ooops. And some of us *( :oops: ) are LOONEY and quick to jump to conclusions! :wink: Sorry about that.

About the subconscious. I think you make a good point. It is more likely all one unit. We just ironically call it.... a name

This technique makes me think of Philip Pullman's amazing trilogy "His Dark Materials," in which people have daemons that are an externalized part of themselves. The daemons take the shape of animals who match the essence of the character. The main characters have very close relationships with their daemons and talk to them all the time. When reading the book. I thought of daemons as the soul, but in many ways the subconscious makes more sense. I will try this!

my subconscious seems to want to be called "M"

strange...

Cool technique! I just named my subconsious, if anyone is having trouble finding a name, try your real name backwards. :D