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05-07-2008, 02:43 AM
moe007

Never read this problem on here before.

Ive been quite lazy and havnt posted this in so long.. but Ive been wanting to every since I starting WILDing and failing.

Ive read just about every tutorial, and technique; wilding, breathing, relaxing, imagining, HI, SP, etc etc. Nothing seems to help.

When I WILD, I start to feel numb rather fast in my extremities, not in my medial regions as much though. Eventually I feel pretty much numb all over. This could take 5-20 Mins. Then I start to get the heavy feeling, and start to enter sleep paralysis. Ill see traces of HI, twirls and swirls of light and colors. Nothing really big. Sometimes ill hear a very loud humming noise, but not always.

The problem is here:

When Im conscious during this phase, and trying to slip into full SP and full HI, so i can jump into a dream, I know its coming.
I get excited BEFORE im in the dream. People complain that they get excited once lucid, and wake up.

When im at the doorstep of full SP, I can feel my body being pulled down lower and lower, my brain is just fully excited, and i can literally FEEL my adrenaline being excreted. It happened a couple times where i actually CAUGHT the exact difference in heart rate when the adrenaline was released. It was pretty cool, but i couldnt keep 100% still. I physically was still, but my body was ACHING to move. It felt like i was twitching, but i really wasnt. It was just my nerves aching to be moved.

Last time, my eyes eventually opened by themselves. I did a reality check, and another one, and i was truly awake.

This is pissing me off, because I cant get to that 'trace' phase, where your thoughts are clear and slow. My thoughts are constantly bombarding me, and I have to focus to clear my head, which makes me think about moving, and gets me excited that im NOT moving.

I layed like this for about 1.5 hours. I eventually get really bored, as i have ADD and can barely focus on something for a little bit, im surprised i dont give up after 10 mins.
05-07-2008, 02:52 AM
NightLife

Wow, having ADD and trying to WILD is probably very difficult... Get your mind on lucid dreaming but don't try too hard... You have to find the right balance and that's also difficult... (Especially with ADD)

WILDing is so frustrating... I've attempted to WILD 10 times... The alarm clock didn't wake me up 6 times, I gave up after three tries and the other time I stubbed my toe when I was walking to the bathroom... It's too difficult to concentrate with a bloody toe...

Realize that if you get too excited, that it wont work...
05-07-2008, 02:58 AM
moe007

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Originally Posted by NightLife

Wow, having ADD and trying to WILD is probably very difficult... Get your mind on lucid dreaming but don't try too hard... You have to find the right balance and that's also difficult... (Especially with ADD)

WILDing is so frustrating... I've attempted to WILD 10 times... The alarm clock didn't wake me up 6 times, I gave up after three tries and the other time I stubbed my toe when I was walking to the bathroom... It's too difficult to concentrate with a bloody toe...

Realize that if you get too excited, that it wont work...

Well in not clinically diagnosed with ADD, but Im pretty much a self taught doctor and I know i have ADD. :D

But yeah, its difficult.

I cant think clearly.
05-07-2008, 03:04 AM
NightLife

Quote:

Originally Posted by moe007

Well in not clinically diagnosed with ADD, but Im pretty much a self taught doctor and I know i have ADD. :D

But yeah, its difficult.

I cant think clearly.

Try taking a few more deep breaths before you attempt the WILD...
05-07-2008, 03:09 AM
Mini Man56

Quote:

Originally Posted by moe007

Well in not clinically diagnosed with ADD, but Im pretty much a self taught doctor and I know i have ADD. :D

But yeah, its difficult.

I cant think clearly.

I know what you mean! The doctor says I don't have ADHD, but my friends and I do. =/
05-07-2008, 03:11 AM
moe007

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Originally Posted by Mini Man56

I know what you mean! The doctor says I don't have ADHD, but my friends and I do. =/

This really isnt the focus of the failing my wild.

I think the getting excited BEFORE SP is the problem
05-07-2008, 03:49 AM
i make it rain

Quote:

Originally Posted by moe007

Well in not clinically diagnosed with ADD, but Im pretty much a self taught doctor and I know i have ADD. :D

But yeah, its difficult.

I cant think clearly.

i hear there is good work for self taught doctors in the sale of organs on the black market. i know a guy on the south side who would throw up 10 g's for a kidney. im sorry i couldn't resist. look what GTA does to people.

i have the same problem. i can feel my heart rate increase as i get numb. this usually makes me too awake. my only advice is after giving up, try to think about lucid dreaming and maybe you can get a DILD.
05-07-2008, 04:47 AM
moe007

Quote:

Originally Posted by i make it rain

i hear there is good work for self taught doctors in the sale of organs on the black market. i know a guy on the south side who would throw up 10 g's for a kidney. im sorry i couldn't resist. look what GTA does to people.

i have the same problem. i can feel my heart rate increase as i get numb. this usually makes me too awake. my only advice is after giving up, try to think about lucid dreaming and maybe you can get a DILD.

:lol:

Yeah...
I lay back in bed i go back into the same SP. And stay awake for hours.

Its like i forget how to sleep NORMALLY. I have to sit still and wild.
05-07-2008, 11:29 AM
Maxwell Clark

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mini Man56

I know what you mean! The doctor says I don't have ADHD, but my friends and I do. =/

weird.. for me its exactly the opposite, my doctors and therapists say i have ADHD but i know i don't

and i know that thing with the eyes can be annoying, i find my self often closing my eyes without realizing they were open
05-07-2008, 02:28 PM
i make it rain

yeah, those kind of diagnoses are very opinionated so they can be not completely accurate.
05-08-2008, 03:21 AM
xypowerpop

Quote:

Originally Posted by moe007

:lol:

Yeah...
I lay back in bed i go back into the same SP. And stay awake for hours.

Its like i forget how to sleep NORMALLY. I have to sit still and wild.

My first time trying to WILD the same thing you describe happened. To me. Te 2nd - my last time (last night), nothing happened and i eventually fell asleep. So I don't have issues falling asleep after failing a WILD.

but the 1st time, when I did get close to the dream, it was exactly the same, I could feel the exact change in heart rate, the SP, my breathing was going crazy and I Was trying so hard to slow it. Normally I'm fairly calm in any situation, so staying calm seemed like it'd be easy, but my body would NOT calm down and my eyes eventually opened up on their own after a lot of fighting. :(

I'd really like some tips on this so when it happens again I can be ready
05-08-2008, 03:52 AM
halfasleep

I actually have the exact same problem.
Not so much the ADD part, but the ruining WILD part.
WILD is the only technique that I've gotten close to lucid dreaming with,
but have never actually achieved it.
All my lucid dreams have been DILDs, and I was never planning to have them.

I can get to SP rather quickly, but the adrenaline hits me every time.
My heart beats INSANELY fast, and my breathing seems to shift my entire body with each breath.
It seems if I don't breather faster/deeper I'll suffocate.
Even when I make the effort to breather slower/the same as before,
I'm already starting to come out of SP.

It's so annoying :?
You're right there...then you're not.
05-08-2008, 05:25 AM
kaeraz

I have the exact problem as you guys are describing. I think I'm getting closer to a way around it though and it has to do with the technique where you're not actively trying to WILD. I can't remember who posted it or exactly what it's called, but basically you relax and let your mind wander as soon as your lie down - only occasionally trying to bring it back to lucid dreaming. The goal, obviously, is to stay conscious. Last night I found that I'm a LOT calmer when I'm not actively anticipating the SP and the WILD. I let myself enter SP and I immediately started visualizing. At this point, especially since you've let your mind wander from the beginning, it's very very easy for images to come to your mind. Also, this would be very effective for people with ADD, ADHD, whatever, because it's OK if you stray off topic. :)

From what I've experienced, the more calm you are and the more you let your mind wander, the easier it is to beat that adrenaline kick. It's actually pretty easy to get your body relaxed as long as you don't move it, but you have to get your mind into the right state as well because your mind has a very powerful sway over the rest of your body. If your mind is too active, your body will be, too.

Now my only problem is becoming so calm and relaxed that I fall asleep too soon to WILD! That's actually what happened last night, but I'm getting closer than I have in the past. I got to the point where I was actually being pulled into a dream, but I think I just fell asleep and forgot that I knew I was dreaming. There is definitely a delicate balance to be struck when it comes to WILDing...
05-08-2008, 02:32 PM
Soldier

I'm afriad im in the same boat too, anytime I get a feeling of numbness or SP I get excited. I dont know how not too, it just a " yes its coming!" feeling.
05-11-2008, 12:42 AM
ChaybaChayba

I have the same problem. Each time when I'm about to enter the dream, I get this insane adrealine rush. I get this really good feeling all over my body, and I get an erection lol. Then I snap out of it. Usually I would suddenly 'slide' into a setting, like you would be flying over the floor, but really close to the ground. The further I slide like this, the more vivid, colored, sharper and brighter the setting becomes and the better the feeling gets.. but each time when I feel im going to completely go into the dream, I snap out of it. It's like I realize 'wow im entering the dreamworld' and then I realize that theres another world, the real world around me and that instantly breaks the illusion and I'm back to the real world.

This getting sucked into a dream takes like 2 seconds. And I feel like these 2 seconds are the most important of WILDing. It's the moment you fall asleep and enter the dreamworld that you have to keep an eye on, all the rest isn't important, because all the rest happens automaticly.

You don't need to know how to enter Sleep Paralysis, or you don't need to know how to relax, these are things you do each day, each night, you don't need practise for that. I've wasted much time on this. Don't bother with that stuff, it's not like you need to learn how to fall asleep! You already do it all the time. You just need to pay attention to the moment when you are falling asleep.