what stops us from dreaming lucid?

hi dreamers
this has been probably discussed before on this forum but i would love to hear as many opinions on this as possible so i am putting this on 2 threads "general discussion" and "attaining lucidity":
for years i have been looking for the perfect luciddream induction method. but now i thought maybe one should look at it from the other end first. so my main question i am in search of an answer now is : what stops us from dreaming lucid? what obstacle is there? what are the barriers? why is it so difficult to attain lucidity during dreams? what do you think? what stops us from becoming lucid? is it a biological reason / inhibit? or is it due to our mental condition, our daytime consciousness, our way of life?
would be very interested in your view - this is something i really never gave much attention to so far - i was always so much focused on finding the "perfect" dream induction method - or developing the perfect dream inducing selfhypnosis etc. etc.

First off, you only need 1 thread, people will see it just as much and will get less annoyed :P

Second, nothing is stopping us from having a lucid dream.

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Originally posted by wasup
Second, nothing is stopping us from having a lucid dream.

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i think they mean lucid dreaming naturaly every dream every night all like it was normal dreaming

and i have noo clue

The main inhibition is that the logic central of the brain is apparently shut down through most of sleep. That means that you just accept everything as normal.

Yeah what LDguy said, and physcological barriers. Every barrier that you think there is *it's all in your head*.

meh, now all these opinions will be seperated from the other thread. is there some way to merge them? >_< :eek:

uhh i dont know...
my money would be on this though;
i think the mind just cant belive its dreaming,denial of the fact. like uh the matrix where some people just cant belive that everything youve lived for is a dream. well to a lesser extent,dreams seem so real to the groggy mind that it cant differentiate reality and dreamality. like if you were walking with a mate and he said 'your dreaming' youd look around and say '...no im not!'
further evidence points me to this conclusion,like how younger children have more LDs than adults. they dont yet know the difference between reality and dreamality clearly so their mind can freely conclude that you are dreaming.
this raises another point,do babies,who know nothing of the difference between dreaming and waking life, lucid dream every night? their minds have no reason to belive that their dreams are real because they have no concept of real.

comments?

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Originally posted by LDGuy
The main inhibition is that the logic central of the brain is apparently shut down through most of sleep. That means that you just accept everything as normal.

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I agree, I was discussing this with a friend (we both LD) and we both agreed that you never seem to rationalise anything. You just accept things for what they are, thus missing thousands of opportunity's to become lucid. If we were awake, and the scene changedwords changedlights didn't workpeople changedclocks changed,
we'd notice it immediately. In a dream you just accept it. (unless we'd praticed our reality checks properly. :lol: ) .
If I ever question anything wierd in a dream, I become lucid straight away as by that stage I'm questioning the wierdness. If somehow you could turn on the logicrational part of the brain whilst asleep LD'ing would be a peice of cake!!

first : ok - was obviously not a good idea with 2 threads......, sorry. i wanted to reach as many people as possible.

yes, me too i think there are various reasons that stop us from dreaming lucid every night during every rem-phase - biological, social and mental / psychological reasons. but i think the main reason is probably of mental & psychological nature. i would guess that the biological & social aspects are of lesser importance - they maybe could be overcome - depending on our mental condition, willpower and determination.

prof. tholey, university of frankfurt, germany - unfortunately already dead - could proove in a sleeplaboratory that he is capable of keeping his consciousness during all sleepphases & dream lucid permanently - even during nonrem phases. he had a socalled 24h-consciousness...... i think that must be an awesome state of mind that you must be in.....

by the way: fosar & bludorf (both good longtime friends of tholey) write in their book on ld (2002) that the circumstances of tholey's death were quite mysterious : the autopsy found no cause of death..... his dead body was found in his bed without the sign of any struggle or so..... and the receiver of the phone next to his bed was nicely hung off the phone and put next to the phone - kind of like he made a conscious decision to leave into the eternal dreamtime at will..... somehow this reminds me of "the matrix".......... :)