Or does it have to be done before REM sleep. Sorry if it's posted somewhere, I couldn't find it.
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Or does it have to be done before REM sleep. Sorry if it's posted somewhere, I couldn't find it.
I think REM is the first stage of sleep...WILD is done as you go into that and into deeper sleep. To have a WILD you remain conscious as you go to sleep, so you can't do it at all before bed.
I think that's what you're asking? :)
lol. REM sleep is the fifth stage of sleep:Quote:
Originally Posted by DeepBlue
(1.) non-REM 1 >> (2.) non-REM 2 >> (3.) non-REM 3 >> (4.) non-REM 2 >> (5.) REM
Yes, you can do a WILD before REM sleep in non-REM. I personally, have done it twice, both accidentally. Its a common misconception that we dont dream in non-REM sleep when studies continue to show that we actually can dream in every stage of sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by hellohihello
But the thing about WILDing without a WBTB (wake back to bed) is that its pretty hard IMO. Like I said above, Ive only done it twice completely inadvertently. So its probably easier to do it with a WBTB.;)
Hard, but possible.
Thanks everyone, I just have problems getting to sleep paralysis. Only feel like my limbs are jello and do not want to move after about an hour of sitting still. I have only gone into sleep paralysis once after waking up from a dream and it took 5 seconds ;p
You don't go into SP (REM atonia) because you don't go right into REM sleep when you first go to bed. You only go into SP when you're in REM sleep which is the 5th cycle of sleep. Like you said, you've only gone into SP after waking from a dream so you most likely were already in REM sleep when you awoken.Quote:
Originally Posted by hellohihello
You don't always need to go through SP to WILD.
i find that trying to SP while going to bed results in a stressfull failure.
i find this a good 'metaphor' for SP, part of your brain goes to sleep like normal and part of it stay concious.
the part that goes to sleep, does so at the normal speed that i go to sleep, and it takes me a LOT longer to go to sleep when i first go to bed, than if i wake up in the night (i can usualy get back to sleep within 5 mins).
bottom line, you will most probably be able to achieve a SP a lot quicker after 5 or 6 hours of sleep than when you first go to bed.
personaly i find my body to 'sensitive' to achieve SP when i first go to bed.
hope that helps
pond weed, you dont understand. You don't go into SP (really REM atonia) right when you go to bed. You only go into SP when you enter REM sleep which is the 5th stage of sleep. So you have to be in REM sleep to be in SP.Quote:
Originally Posted by pond weed
apologies im terrible at explaining things.
so when we wake up in the middle of the night, why is it we can go back to sleep so easily. is it that we jump stright to stage 3 or 4, or do we start again at stage 1 buit can quickly get to stage.
also maybe a reason that it is so hard to get SP when we first go to bed is because, like WolfeDreamer531 said, we have to get to the 5th stage, and if our mind is activly focused on staying concious, that will make it much harder to get to the 5th stage.
am i right?
I see what you're saying pond. I misunderstood your first post.
But I don't know if you know this but you don't have to be in REM sleep to dream. You can actually dream in every stage of sleep, even stage 1. Sp its not like you're going to have to remain conscious for an hour or so to get into REM just to dream, you will start dreaming as soon as you fall asleep.
But I definitely agree with you on how its much harder to WILD w/o prior sleep. Ive only done that twice, both times by mistake. But its definitely possible.
EDIT: typo
"But I don't if you know this but you don't have to be in REM sleep to dream. You can actually dream in every stage of sleep, even stage 1. "
My dad would be a good lucid dreamer if he tried. He had a dream not even 5 minutes after falling asleep. A pretty long dream too. He dozed off and I woke him up because he was snoring and he told me all about his dream.
Sure wish I could do that.
I'd be interested in hearing your experiences when trying this.
I'm attempting something similar. Please feel free to read my thread (in my signature) and post your experiences. I'm trying to get a collection of experiences together, to help myself and others.
Fanx :3
I cannot do it :( tried again. Cannot get further into sleep paralysis because I am not in rem sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dizko
I agree when people say it's hard. I've tried dozens of times in the past, and only ever saw HI/got SP once. And that was when I was very, very tired and happened to stay conscious. The HI went away after a few moments. It's much easier to WILD during a WBTB; or if you keep falling asleep, during a nap. That's when I get most of my SP episodes. :)
http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/wilds-...torial-118406/
heres a link to a tutorial done on WILD before sleep
I don't mean to spread rumors where I have no idea what's true but here is what I hear: even if you are successful, the dreams tend to be unstable and weak.
I've been successful with WBTB WILDing several times now. But right before bed, never. I don't know if it's worth the result or not. Especially with the loss of sleep. I love my sleep! :D
Its think it can be safely said thats no longer a rumor, numerous people who have succeed with WILD before WBTB noted that it leads to a fractured and broken dream which is hard to control, and most importantly pointless because a later DILD would have proved increasingly vivid.Quote:
Originally Posted by niteLite
Dreams entered before REM, or before falling asleep and doing a WBTB, are definitely hazy, short, and unstable; that's not a rumor. :)