I need techniques!! Nothing works for me!

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02-28-2009, 01:46 PM
SOBB

I need techniques!! Nothing works for me!

Alright, so I've been trying to have a lucid for like years now and nothing has ever worked. It's getting really frustrating as everything else to do with the brain (meditation, hypnosis, etc.) has come easily to me. Lucid dreaming is a whole different matter... No matter what I do I can't become lucid!

1) Any techniques you can suggest?

2) When you have a lucid is it that you can be in control of your dream and know you're dreaming, but you only remember it when you wake up? Or do you consciously feel like "I know I'm dreaming" "I'm in control" and you can actually experience it as you would real life? I don't want to put so much time and effort into this if it's just like "I had a dream that I could control and knew I was dreaming last night!" and not "I had an amazing experience" after the night you dreamed it and while you're dreaming. Like a real memory has made a deep impression in your mind as real memories do and not like a misty memory with no true substance.
02-28-2009, 02:37 PM
Revery

Have you actually managed to attempt RCs while dreaming? If not then you still have that as a goal and hope.
02-28-2009, 06:18 PM
DarkLucideity

1) Techniques I consider easy and that produce good results are MILD and DILD. Don't keep telling yourself that techniques don't work for you, or they won't. They really do depend on the fact that you have confidence in them and yourself. Also I suggest you spend a while looking through all techniques, pick one that seems to fit you best, and stick with it until you succeed.

2) Oh yes, you experience it as you would in real life. It's not just a memory. You're THERE. It's like how you are right now, reading this, but everything around you and your actions are just a dream. It doesn't seem possible, but it's as real as real life. Trust me on that, if it were only the "misty memory with no true substance" I wouldn't bother.
02-28-2009, 07:43 PM
SOBB

Thanks so much for the reply. It makes me much more motivated to try now because of what you said. After all, it's an experience I'm after and not just a memory. Thanks!
03-01-2009, 02:44 PM
Higurashi

I would just like to add something about the importance of recall and Rc's. They may get annoying but they really helps out in the long run. I've been solely focusing on recalling dreams rather than trying to become lucid for about 2 months now, and it's already starting to pay off. You just have to be patient :)
03-01-2009, 05:00 PM
DarkLucideity

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Originally Posted by Higurashi

I would just like to add something about the importance of recall and Rc's. They may get annoying but they really helps out in the long run. I've been solely focusing on recalling dreams rather than trying to become lucid for about 2 months now, and it's already starting to pay off. You just have to be patient :)

And I can DILD on a daily basis without focusing on dream recall or conventional RCs. I don't keep a DJ but I still recall many dreams. Remember, everyone's different. My friend kept a dream journal and attempted to improve her dream recall for like 5 months (with no LD techs), but she had 0 lucid dreams.
03-01-2009, 06:32 PM
Higurashi

...Ok? It's just a suggestion, not an order. If it doesn't work for him, he'll find out soon enough on his own.
03-01-2009, 06:59 PM
DarkLucideity

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Originally Posted by Higurashi

he'll find out soon enough on his own.

just 2 months
03-01-2009, 07:36 PM
Man of Shred

For me RC's rarely work. Sometimes the dream is too real and fools my RC's
03-01-2009, 08:30 PM
Revery

I'm really trying to concentrate on dreamsigns at the moment as I can't seem to carry RCs (I do one virtually every hour of the day) into my dreams - surely in order to do a RC in a dream you are already exercising some form of dream control?

The other problem I have is that my dreamsigns are not clear cut i.e. a physical object you simply cannot ignore. Mine are things like feelings - like when I want to escape from something or hide.
03-01-2009, 10:03 PM
DarkLucideity

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Originally Posted by Revery

I'm really trying to concentrate on dreamsigns at the moment as I can't seem to carry RCs (I do one virtually every hour of the day) into my dreams - surely in order to do a RC in a dream you are already exercising some form of dream control?

The other problem I have is that my dreamsigns are not clear cut i.e. a physical object you simply cannot ignore. Mine are things like feelings - like when I want to escape from something or hide.

Don't do RCs because it's been a while since you did one. Do them when something odd or out of place happens. THAT will carry over into your dreams. You don't need dreamsigns to DILD.
03-02-2009, 01:15 AM
Firewalker

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Originally Posted by SOBB

Alright, so I've been trying to have a lucid for like years now and nothing has ever worked. It's getting really frustrating as everything else to do with the brain (meditation, hypnosis, etc.) has come easily to me. Lucid dreaming is a whole different matter... No matter what I do I can't become lucid!

1) Any techniques you can suggest?

2) When you have a lucid is it that you can be in control of your dream and know you're dreaming, but you only remember it when you wake up? Or do you consciously feel like "I know I'm dreaming" "I'm in control" and you can actually experience it as you would real life? I don't want to put so much time and effort into this if it's just like "I had a dream that I could control and knew I was dreaming last night!" and not "I had an amazing experience" after the night you dreamed it and while you're dreaming. Like a real memory has made a deep impression in your mind as real memories do and not like a misty memory with no true substance.

Techniques haven't worked well for me either. I have had probably 30 or so lucid dreams in about 5 years of trying, but I go long periods of time between lucids sometimes. The things I have found that work occasionally for me is WBTB after sleeping about 4 to 6 hours. Sometimes a suppliment at this time such as green tea capsules help, and just drifting to the borders of sleep, if I catch it right I can WILD or have an OBE. Also if I can sometimes sleep longer, than waking after 6 or 7 hours, and sleeping a couple of more will often help me WILD, usually when this happens I will wake up after 6 or 7 hours, stay up an hour or two, go back to bed for a couple of hours, I will usually wake up after an hour or hour and a half after going back to bed and if all goes well WILD then.

As for actual techniques they have been all but worthless to me, MILD worked a few times then never has again. I occasionally have DILDs but they just seem to happen, I just realize I am dreaming. I do keep a dream journal and have for years, but I can't say its helped me lucid dream, it does help recall though. I have had a couple of lucids using binuaral beats, the Hemi-Sync Meditation CD and BMV Theta brainwaves CD.