WILD but no dream

ok first of all i want to thank all the people who are helping and giving advise. i worship u people who have mastered it:bowdown:

ok so heres the problem that im pretty sure a lot of people are also having. I try to WILD and enter SP after like half an hour. till that part its all good but then after that absolutely nothing happens. Its like you know that you're sleeping and ur mind is awake but there are simply no HH or dreaming. I do imagine myself doing something that uses senses but then again nothing happens. btw i havent had time to try this with WBTB so i just do it during afternoon naps which brings up the question that is it only effective when you're in REM stage?

ps: time goes really fast when you're in SP. i was in this state in my bed for 4 hours in it trying to enter LD but it felt like it was only half an hour and yes i do reality checks after getting up to make sure its not FA
its a pretty good feeling to know that u can sleep while not sleeping at the same time haha

so yea any suggestions? :D

Same thing that happened to me earlier today with my third WILD attempt.

I could feel my body sleep, and the pressure going up to my head. There were a couple of distractions in the house but i didn't pay attention to it.

I knew my body had to be asleep, and i was starting to drift off to sleep, but was on the edge of consciousness, and no HH or anything.

Can you enter the dream before REM sleep?

wellll any responses? im gona try this very soon again

I'm pretty much a little past where you guys are but it is really easier to do a WBTB with staying up for at least 5 mins. I'm pretty sure if you just try to go right into a lucid without being in REM it's a lot hard so for noobs like us its better to WBTB.

I had my first lucid dream a week ago by using WILD with WBTB and yea its WAY easier, but the problem is i dont get much time to do everyday. o well im just gona keep trying till im there

You could be doing everything right, but your timing is wrong. If that is the case, you will just have no REM dreams to enter. Instead of entering a lucid dream, you will sort of just hang in thoughtless NREM sleep, like a deep trance. This is a cool place to be, as you have described, but not real useful for standard lucid goals.

You should definitely find the time to try the same thing you are doing after a few hours of sleep and a WBTB. After you get it to work the predictable way (after a WBTB), you can try it during naps

Another thing you can do is deprive yourself of a little sleep the night before, so you know you will have REM rebound during your afternoon nap. That might help if you just absolutely refuse to WBTB. If you're worried about being too tired during the day, you could bomb some nyquil or Melatonin the night before, so you lose some REM sleep, but no deep sleep.

thnx it makes sense. soe you're saying that dreaming without REM is extremely hard. got it

oh and yea i only get 6 hours of sleep on weekdays, causing me to be really tired during afternoon times so thats why im expecting it to work.

i had time last night to do WBTB so i did that with WILD and had my second lucid dream!!:boogie: only thing was that it didnt last long :shock:

I've been trying to have WILD's and I experience SP and HH, but haven't had luck with getting a dream. Try my method: just keep trying. You'll get it. And congrats on your second lucid dream. I'm trying to achieve mine too. ^.^

Congratulations on your second lucid. So, maybe it was the timing. Keep a record of these things, so you can pin down what works and when.

it seems to me that your problem is lack of recall. you may have actually had a lucid but you cant remember it and it seems like it never happened
you dream multiple times every single night whether you remember them or not

this is why developing good dream recall is KEY to lucid dreaming

there can be people who are very good at lucid dreaming but dont even remember, and every lucid seems to be their first because they dont remember the others and after they wake up they forget completely, and the process repeats itself. kinda like that crappy movie 50 first dates with adam sandler

oh trust me i have a dream journal and i remember 1-2 dreams every night so i have good enough recall to remember them

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Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

You could be doing everything right, but your timing is wrong. If that is the case, you will just have no REM dreams to enter. Instead of entering a lucid dream, you will sort of just hang in thoughtless NREM sleep, like a deep trance. This is a cool place to be, as you have described, but not real useful for standard lucid goals.

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DAMN! You got it RIGHT on the money!!! No wonder i didn't enter a dream. I had tried to WILD before a REM phase. OMG, thats exactly how it was. I was just laying there, breathing, no thoughts. Its like i was sleep, but i still was aware of my breathing just laying there. Like a deep trance.

I bet any amount of money if i had did a WBTB it would have worked! If you have shitty recall, can you still do a WILD? You don't need to remember anything since your being conscious the whole time right?

yes you can always WILD, but you wont remember your dream. It will just be like you tried to WILD and then fell asleep even though you had amazing adventures in your dream so its really important to work on your recall. You are conscious a bit but when you're in you dream, its you unconsciousness taking over and you conscious only plays a very small role in it.

and yea try it during REM periods. Trust me that makes it sooooo much easier, but its hard to keep yourself awake during those times. So its either WILD or fall asleep.

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Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

If you have shitty recall, can you still do a WILD? You don't need to remember anything since your being conscious the whole time right?

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As long as you wake yourself up right at the end of the dream, you should be alright. I've lost some WILDs because I didn't wake up and write them down right away. Don't get greedy and try to DEILD too many times.