Super-Fragile In-Class Dreams

Ever since I started lucid dreaming (the hobby), I have been becoming more and more aware of my mental state. A couple days ago during a super boring movie (Not essential to the course, the teacher felt like being "nice"), I closed my eyes and started to fall asleep.

Oddly enough, earlier that day I was thinking about if I dreamed during micro-sleeps such as this.

So anyways, I noticed was seeing through my eyelids, I still felt myself leaning on my folded arms, but I saw the rest of the room, and noted I was on a different table. I was a little startled and opened my eyes and sat up, awake. I did a nose and memory RC, both succeeded. I tried to return to this state again, and I did.

I got into this blurry, see-through-eyelids state, and tried to affect the world at all. Even attempting to focus on something, never mind reality checking, would thrust me out of this state. It happened all 3 times, then the period ended, and I couldn't stop thinking about it for a while.

Has anyone ever been in this state? Is it a Pre-REM dream maybe? Could I control it somehow? I need answers! :P

yea it happens to me when i fall asleep in classes. there are a few reasons why you wake up:
1) ur sleeping on a desk which is not a comfortable position
2)ur most likely concerned about ur teacher noticing when ur asleep.
3)ur not suppose to be sleeping at that time so ur brain tells you to wake up

1) It's probably this one because:
2) I couldn't care less if *this* specific teacher caught me sleeping.
3) It was an unimportant movie.

I need more comfortable sleeves. ;)

that happens to me when I sleep in class too ( but also in my bed sometimes.)
Anyway, as soon as I realize im "seeing through my eyelids" the effect is gone. I think it's because a dream was forming but when you notice what's happening your brain is too awake so it ends right there.

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Originally Posted by rahim9876

yea it happens to me when i fall asleep in classes. there are a few reasons why you wake up:
1) ur sleeping on a desk which is not a comfortable position
2)ur most likely concerned about ur teacher noticing when ur asleep.
3)ur not suppose to be sleeping at that time so ur brain tells you to wake up

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Please, use English. It's a nice language once you learn to use it.

Yes, I've had this kind of see-through eyelids thing too when I'm in a micro-sleep. I remember such states in the past where I tried to see if I could change the scene, but it would always disappear in a split second. But that's only because one; when you focus in on them, they vanish. And two; it's a micro-sleep, which lasts about 2 to 40 seconds in length, so it has next to nothing to do with someone seeing you or if you're not comfy. You're turned off from outside stimuli while in a micro-sleep, so you wouldn't even know, but you're head falling over is more than enough of a wake-up call. That's why blank staring and head snaps are signs that you are in a micro-sleep.

It could be possible to enter a dream from a micro-sleep. I'm going to test that theory out this summer when I have more time than I do now. I watched a video that suggested that micro-sleeps could be related to WILDing. I think it may be worth a shot to try. :)

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Originally Posted by Souperman22

Please, use English. It's a nice language once you learn to use it.

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lol...does it really matter?

Besides, I was in a hurry and half asleep. If the person who asked the question understood my response, how can you not comprehend it.

(lol means laugh out loud just incase you don't know)

^ Grammar Nazi's don't realize they're just as annoying as people who can't spell. I'll admit, I hate when people omit letters and whatnot but I'm not going to assume that everyone should have my standards or else they're stupid or something & be a jerk about it :/


to TunaSammich,
I get the same thing in class, but with my eyes open. Its hard to explain.. pretty much I fall asleep with my eyes open & things vision gets blurry and I might hear things that make no sense, then I'll wake up but really it just looks like I'm sitting there and then am suddenly alarmed XD

You could probably control it if you practiced at home instead of at school.
Your subconscious probably is afraid of LDing right there in the middle of class, even if you say you personally don't care about the teacher finding you. I think humans instinctually don't want to be in that delicate state in public like that. Perhaps if you practice at home though, doing it in class wont be as hard.

Ehehe. Lucid dreaming during a garbage course... if only, if only.

I know what you mean. Just last week I took a nap in Lit. while everybody read a book (I already finished it). Anyway, I fell asleep and apparently did a WILD w/o even trying. Anyway, I had a lucid that lasted about 10 seconds and then had a FA. That only lasted a few seconds to before I literally sat straight up in my desk for no reason wide awake. So...a few thoughts on this:

1. Naps can be quite easy to achieve, at least for me (an ironically it take me about a half-hour to fall asleep at night). Taking little effort on your part, you can have naps throughout the day. Thats controlling your SLEEP.
2. WILDing is a good option in cases such as these. Being in a noisy environment in which your brain maintains a state of high awareness should allow you to slip into a WILD IF you can fall asleep. Trying to hard might mess this up. That's controlling your DREAMS
3. That about answers your questions on controlling "it". Lastly, heres some scientific facts to back up this theory of "Easy WILDs When Napping in Class" ;) : The brain is highly active in our sleep (not just when we dream) and maintains a high alert from our senses. Mainly concerning noise, the brain filters any and all sounds we hear and picks out anything interesting. This is why you can be woken up easily by your name being called or the alarm due to your being familiar with these and "listening" for them. It is also why a loud car or thunder (unless it is lightening right by you) will not wake you up and you sleep soundly throughout the night. This also happens when awake such as picking your name out of someone's conversation. This process of your brain filtering sensory information is based on something known as the Signal Detection Theory. My point is that the brain is doing this more in sleep when you're in a noisy/unstable environment (in other words you sleep "lighter") and your brain is processing the sensory information at a higher rate therefore making your brain slightly more "aware" and possibly leading to a WILD.

FWOO! I seem to have gone off on a tangent. :D In layman's terms though: It has happened before (the other posts above are testament to this) and it can be controlled to the extent of your falling asleep and having a WILD with more ease than trying at night. Hope I helped. :)

(WOOT 1st Post :banana: )

I find that Computer Programming class is possibly the worst course for me when it comes to staying awake, since we've essentially been on Auto-Pilot the entire semester (Teacher: "Here's the next two month's work, get some VB6 going and you're good. Don't forget the co-related arrays blah blah"), so if you're ahead, you've got a bit of time to yourself.

That being said, I've experienced the Seeing-Through-Eyelids thing on several occaisions. Mostly in darker-lit rooms. I'm going to assume that it might also be me merely waking up a tiny little bit and being able to see a smidgen of light through my lids, as though I'm squinting.

I'm thankful you posted your first post so eloquently. Mine wasn't as good :P

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Originally Posted by Jove Risen

I know what you mean. Just last week I took a nap in Lit. while everybody read a book (I already finished it). Anyway, I fell asleep and apparently did a WILD [blah blah blah...]

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Most amazing first post ever, in the history of internet forums. ;)

It happens to me whenever I take a nap..
It's easier on naps...
what's happens is like this:
I relax a lot...lose the consciousness for 2 seconds..and then I recover it...on my black eyelid instantly appear a fragment of an image(that means that it doesn't cover all of my sight)and when I look at it...it goes away =(
would be great to maintain them...and see what happens...
I tried it 4 times...I will keep trying...everytime I try...I can make it ...

I see some people talking about being able to see through their eyelids. Be careful of that because sometimes your eyes open a little while you're WILDing. Happens to me all the time so don't get fooled. :P

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Originally Posted by rahim9876

I see some people talking about being able to see through their eyelids. Be careful of that because sometimes your eyes open a little while you're WILDing. Happens to me all the time so don't get fooled. :P

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No, since on the other side of my eyelids there was a backpack, yet my face was rested in my folded arm, if I opened my eyes I would have been greeted by... I think a brown hoodie sleeve.

well, I post this because this thing keep happening to me.
whenever I try it in naps, it happens that..
I lose consciousness for a seconds...when I recover it...an fragment appear in my black eyelids(a part of an image, don't cover all of my eyes)
but then it dissappears..
so, what I can do?

See-through eyelids is pretty common for me.