Stop Drop and Roll. Why Lucidology and Nicholas Newport are creating misinformation.

I must ask, Debrajane, why you are registered on a lucid dreaming forum if you don't like lucid dreaming.

I don't understand how you don't like it, you're basically being god and able to fulfill your dreams (no pun intended) without taking time out. How many people do you know who, for example, battled a giant werewolf with the help of googly eyed pandas last night, on a different planet? And still got up, completely unharmed, and went to work the next day. Probably with a skip in their step from how much fun they had.

Also, if you do not like lucid dreams, why did you buy nick newport's "methods" and defend them. Especially if they have not worked when you consistantly used them.

Wow I never knew they were fake, I thought he was just very smart on the subject. It makes sense though because I've never seen or heard this information before. Yeah you're right the mind and body are obviously connected with each other.

Basically, Raspberry

I want to go home.

I had a very bad first 9 years of life.

First, age 6, I tried to kill the one who was making me so miserable. I'm proud of that cos at 45 I heard that some, only revert to suicide, if they can't remove the source of their intense suffering. As a tortured infant my natural survival instincts liked in and I put cleaning fluid in dads cupa. But he spat in out, giving me the weirdest look and tried to convince mum in bed beside him, that I had tried to pioson him.

Mum said, "your mad Ron".

But I had.

A year later I tried to go home (die). And again at 9. Fortunately I failed and no one found out.

At 10 we ran away from dad and mum got interested in astral travel through Lobsang Rampa books. Lobsang Rampa wrote a whole book about what happens if one completes suicide. As a result I gave up the idea of suicide.

Since then I have wanted to get home while alive so if there is life after death I can stay there and never come back to this place of massive suffering.

Nick's stuff is a whole lot like Lobsang Rampa.

A dream lead me to saltcube.

My focus is not the same as others.

I just wanna go home, nothing else.

But I'm already trying stuff similar to what you propose, through LDing. Also, if your goal is to travel over to another world, I still would advice LDing as a practice to the "greater discovery" or however you want to call it.

Yes dreams are the best way to access what you call home. I've wanted to kill myself for a long time too, but lucid dreaming has kept me from doing it. The comparison from the amount of unconditonal love of the worlds I visit to the dark hatefuil world we live in is black and white. I wake up feeling incredibly peaceful and feeling loved most of time (depending on what happened that night) to a dark world. But without I don't think I could stand staying here anylonger in conditions I live in.

I can take you home if you want. But you have to remember!!!!!!!

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Wow I never knew they were fake, I thought he was just very smart on the subject. It makes sense though because I've never seen or heard this information before. Yeah you're right the mind and body are obviously connected with each other.

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Unrelated to conversation, but FUCK YEAH, OHIO STATE! Go Buckeyes!

Saltyseedog

We are only feeling

Mmm

Thank you.

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Unrelated to conversation, but FUCK YEAH, OHIO STATE! Go Buckeyes!

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Lol, yeah OSU rocks no doubt!

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Am i the only one here that thinks this should be moved to the senseless banter section?

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Am i the only one here that thinks this should be moved to the senseless banter section?

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i HATE this place

Debrajane, do you have some problem with us happy lucid dreamers having a discussion?

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Debrajane, do you have some problem with us happy lucid dreamers having a discussion?

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Not at all USA

I am 51 and on the pension with the diagnosis of Dissociative Identity Disorder and when stressed they tell me I become 3 different people. But I don’t get missing time like 80% of Multiple Personalities people. I’m among the 10% of sufferers that get imaginative reconstruction.

That means instead of getting missing time my brain has a guess at what might have happened while "I" was absent (and another me was taking care of my life).

You guys stress me with your taunts but I got to learn to live with that so I thought I'd better be upfront with you so you don't get toooo confused and think I am insane ... or something. (hehehehahaha)

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What is merging?

If you think it's too "out there" but still want to talk about it, I recommend the deep dreaming section ;)

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Raspberry

I can't find The Deep Dreaming Section. Please put in the link to the deep dreaming section.

or anyone else who knows where it is please put in the link so I can start reaking it please.

I think you have to apply to the mods to get access to DD. Try PMing Slash or someone.

Go to beyond dreaming, then look at the sticky that says "Deep dreaming" and then apply by PMing an admin/mod.
Also, don't want this moved to SB, this is supposed to tell people about the mis-information in the 101 videos.
Oh and, I want all of that hate, it is MINE!

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I think you have to apply to the mods to get access to DD. Try PMing Slash or someone.

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I don't like being trapped in some dark, deep, eerie, cave just to be involved in light fun friendly synchronistic deep dreaming work.

I was told by a witch that Adelaide is known as the city of churches but secretly it is the city of covens. She said, "you take a vow when you are accepted into a coven, here in Adelaide, that "they" will kill you if you leave". She said, "I will need to trust you more before I teach you".

Needless to say I never joined.

I like keeping my stuff above board, open and free. If that means putting up with taunts and crap ... well ... it is worth it to keep the best of dreaming open to other folk like me.

That mandala IS a piece of inner world technology.

Get you butts over to my synchronicity thread and use it.

Already do... but more importantly than that, DD is to weed out people who don't believe in such things, so that nobody will yell at you, more than the "Don't you dare talk about..." thingy you just described. Actually, any more posts, would you mind using the PM feature to a DG or someone in the thread please? This is getting way too off-topic.

Agreed, Hukif. But first:

Deep dreaming isn't a dark eerie cave that's some sort of cult. It's just so that people who make threads that others would write off as weird/impossible such as shared dreaming.

You say it will keep things open to folk like you. Most likely they will have joined deep dreaming then and will see the thread.

Debrajane, you make it sound as if we're sending you death threats. This is a discussion thread. Obviously there are going to be opposing views which is going to create debate and arguement. As I said before, no one is personally insulting you. We're stating our opinion. If this thread is creating stress for you, then, putting it frankly, maybe you shouldn't be here. I don't say this to kick you out of the thread, but just thinking of your general health. If you really do hate this place, why keep coming back? Just curious.

I noticed that this is pretty much the only thread you post in. If you want nice, calm threads where you can just have banter and state your opinion, then that's what the majority of DV is. Maybe you should take more of a look around.

Ok

I just found out that I can delete my posts here at Dream Views

So

some poor soul's believe that I am cyber stalking them. I am not but they don't believe that.

So I told them that I would delete all the threads and posts, that I am able to (where the sites let me) and I am staying of the net except for my Flickr phote stream.

So tomorrow I will come back to this Internet Cafe and delete my 149 posts off Dream Views.

I dont want to add to that poor souls fear. I have no qualms about deleting everything of mine off the net and sticking only to my Flickr account if it will help calm down some one's fears.

So you didn't remember that dream did you..... We were flying above the dream body of earth. Then I teleported us to a city on earth. There were souls flying around with wings, we were in a futuristic looking city. There were hover cars flying around and floating round buildings in the sky. Then I teleported us again to a place. we were on the top of a grassy hill. There were beautiful grassy hills as far as the eye could see with widely spaced trees and an over cast sky. The energy of this place was very peaceful and unconditionally loving. We saw a white man and a black man dressed in brown robes walking up the hill towards us. When they reached us the black man said Hello who are you? in an african sounding accent. I said I am John, a dream warrior, who are you? He said I am sa-ool (don't know how to spell that) You said I am Debra, where are we? I said we are on the dream body of earth, this is where you go after you die, after you are spit out of infinity. You said oh my god. This place feels... feels... I don't know how to descibe it, its just amazing. I said well you can come here whenever you. You are strong enough now, now that I have taken you here once you can come again, in your dreams. You said I can?! How can I come here? I want to stay here and never come back! I don't want to go back there, it hurts... please just let me stay here... I don't want to go back, I hate that place. I never want to go back... Fuck it! There was along period of silence...... John, why did you bring me here? Why would you bring me here and make me go back to earth? I said well you don't have to go back to earth, but you came here (physical earth) for a reason. Things are changing, they are changing fast. You want to be here for that. It will get better. You said they will? When will they get better? I don't want to don't want to sit around for the rest of my lifetime waiting for things to get better. I said well it will take a little while, but things will get much better. You be able to be with the people you love and not be miserable. It will be ok.... I give you a hug and hold you for about a minute. Then I wake up.

Dear Salty

but we did synchronize.

You wrote:

"So you didn't remember that dream did you.....

***We were flying above the dream body of earth.***

Then I teleported us to a city on earth. There were souls flying around with wings, we were in a futuristic looking city. There were hover cars flying around and floating round buildings in the sky. Then I teleported us again to a place. we were on the top of a grassy hill. There were beautiful grassy hills as far as the eye could see with widely spaced trees and an over cast sky. The energy of this place was very peaceful and unconditionally loving. We saw a white man and a black man dressed in brown robes walking up the hill towards us. When they reached us the black man said Hello who are you? in an african sounding accent.

***I said I am John, a dream warrior,***

who are you? He said I am sa-ool (don't know how to spell that) You said I am Debra, where are we? I said we are on the dream body of earth, this is where you go after you die, after you are spit out of infinity. You said oh my god. This place feels... feels... I don't know how to descibe it, its just amazing. I said well you can come here whenever you. You are strong enough now, now that I have taken you here once you can come again, in your dreams. You said I can?! How can I come here? I want to stay here and never come back! I don't want to go back there, it hurts... please just let me stay here... I don't want to go back, I hate that place. I never want to go back... Fuck it! There was along period of silence...... John, why did you bring me here? Why would you bring me here and make me go back to earth? I said well you don't have to go back to earth, but you came here (physical earth) for a reason. Things are changing, they are changing fast. You want to be here for that. It will get better. You said they will? When will they get better? I don't want to don't want to sit around for the rest of my lifetime waiting for things to get better. I said well it will take a little while, but things will get much better. You be able to be with the people you love and not be miserable. It will be ok.... I give you a hug and hold you for about a minute. Then I wake up."

Synchronicity

Yesterday, I looked up General Hanuman. I put "Hanuman" into the YouTube search-bar and watched a 9 minute clip called

"HANUMAN CHAISE - with English subtitles"

I watched it several times.

The reason, I thought, I was watching it was because long ago I told "He who must not be named" (the boyfriend of the woman who is going to the Australian authorities about me allegedly "cyber stalking), well I called her boyfriend:

"An inanely chattering, poo chucking monkey"

Later after several sleeps I realised that TsunaH was a very advanced dreamer who was now specializing.

He is specializing in "protection".

He is becoming like "General HANUMAN". The greatest dream warrior there is.

In this clip "Hanuman" does a lot of FLYING.

Oh,

General HANUMAN is the Monkey God.


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Hi DrWho

About a year ago, At 6:52 am

on 19-March-02010

some one with the handle drwho popped up on saltcube and wrote:

*** Sadly this forum seems to be over run by crystal, reiki and psychic loonies which detracts from what I thought was the aim of the site, namely to investigate and explore the world of lucid dreaming.

Lucid dreaming is a scientific fact and deserves proper investigation and discussion, like the majority of the posts over at Dreamviews. I'm done with this forum until there is a purge of the numbnuts and their looney tunes.

Have fun... ***

I, debraJane replied:

*** hello DrWho

DreamViews sounds good. Give us the link.

Then I (debraJane) posted

*** Hi again DrWho

I like and have now registered at

www.dreamviews.com

I have given a lot of thought to what you said above. I first began trying to astral travel 40 years ago. I had lots a interesting re-entry experiences but only one true OBE 16 years ago. And I have had, now, 2 proper Lucid dreams.

I have been at this for so, so, long that I am willing to try almost anything, including crystal, reiki and psychic lunacy.

I think that where the strength in crystal, reiki and psychic lunacy is, is in the brains love of patterns and stories.

Give the brain a long interwoven pattern or story then supercharge that story with belief (or strong make believe) then watch the brain come alive and connect the dots for you.

I know how powerful this is because in my 50 years of life I have sincerely held several belief systems. I have been a serial monogamist when it comes to belief systems. As in, I would relinquish a previous believe system when I chose another and then sincerely practiced that belief system till it, kind of, went exhaust on me.

The stories and myths of each belief system led to extraordinary experiences. Each belief system led to deep disappointment also. But disappointment is a powerful spiritual catalyst to me once it lifts.

You may see the mythical attributes of crystals as lunacy (and you may be right) but I will enter this lunacy to see where it leads and see how it affects my dream life. Ummm, that is, if people join me in this journey. ***

Well DrWho

This “Numbnut, and her Loony Tune” has purged all of her posts off Saltcube. All 1,740 posts by me at saltcube and all my pictures are gone, (before I leave Netzone Internet Café today.).

:silent::cheeky:

What the facepalm? You left saltcube, home to what you love and adore, to come here, to what you perceive as a hostile environment, amidst people who don't understand you, in pursuit of topics that deal with a comparatively small part of the forum, and generally greeted with hostility from the largely atheist community? Hunh?

TsunaH

Years ago when you welcomed me onto your Yahoogroups site call a “journey in many ways” I told you that I liked your “Something Else” Youtube.

In the comments on that YouTube I said something like, “U R like a battered Shaman who has gone to hell and back, several times, to do tasks for folk that maybe only the “he” “U” could do.

To nearly every communication I had with you in, “A Journey In Many Ways” and your YouTube site and finally at IASD’s main forum, U R mean, mean, mean.

The last couple of days I thought that this might be happening when I “merge” with mean folk like you TsunaH.

I hook up in dreams and merge with U.

In this present incarnation U are tooooo mean. But I don’t accept that.

And

I push into folk’s future and find them (U) in their future Buddha State.

Then only relate to them from that perspective.

What will be, IS, and always has been.

To Me, TsunaH

You are not

“An inanely chattering, poo chucking monkey”

You are the mighty “Dream Warrior”

“Shaman”

“Hanuman”

In this YouTube clip

Like, U R “Something Else”
YouTube - Hanuman
Hanuman flies off to the Himalayas in search of Sanjivini, the medicinal flower that can heal the seriously wounded Lakshman and Jambavan. Summoning forth awesome power, he brings back an entire mountain.