Mario92Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario92
What do you mean by that?
Mario92Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario92
What do you mean by that?
It's just...you fly off on some of the craziest tangents. This thread was initially about Newport's spread of misinformation, but it now contains everything from bizarre kitten dreams and mandalas to bird word (seriously, you've never seen that before, or at least heard of it?). It's some of the strangest posting patterns I think I've ever seen.
I
have vigorously defended Nick Newport and his work to the hilt.
And I will continue to do so on this thread (which is about his 102) and on the other thread (which is about his 101).
Other than that, I have to respond to personal taunts by Aquanina, and Raspberry, and Billy, and U.
Why? What compels you to defend him like this?Quote:
Originally Posted by debrajane
The best thing I've heard about 'his' techniques is that mcwillis got a single lucid using one of the more original ones. Of course he admits continued use brought no further success, which leads me to believe it was just placebo.
Again, I ask, why defend this man? Do all of you just find him attractive or something? 'Cause I don't see it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by debrajane
Whoa.
Ok, 1:
I'm not taunting you. If I were taunting you I would most likely get referred to a mod, and warned about it. But other than that, I'm not throwing insults at you in the first place.
The thing is, is that no one understands any of you posts. This is what I try to say to you. I don't say this to taunt you or make you feel bad, but because it's true. You ramble, and talk about things in a way that leaves me confused about what you were trying to point out in the first place. Such as when you talk about the saltcube website, and remote viewing. I still don't know why you brought them up.
Another thing is that in this and other threads, you have brought up random conversations and questions with people that have absolutely no relation to the topic. Fair enough an odd off topic post, but not ones that lead to whole discussions or explanations. You could easily pm someone or look around the site to help you. That is why I mentioned this to you.
2: How many lucid dreams has Nick Newport actually helped you achieve?
In my 51 years I have had one OBE and 2 lucid dreams, but something else happens to me. I have no evidence to back this up but I am sure that this "something else" that happens to me is common.
This "something else" is not talked about in any forums that I know of.
I fear talking too loud about it would cause an avalanche of (#@??WTF!!??#@) from you Lucid Dreamers and OBEers.
But
I still think "IT" is common, just subtle and because there is no nomenclature yet formed to discuss "IT" with, "IT" remains invisible.
My "Synchronicity games" make IT more visible, (more sensible).
Folks play my games. IT happens. Folk freek, and shy away.
I think they shy away because they can't form the words to discuss it because as of yet there are no words in our language (yet) to discus it with, even though IT does happen and has been happening forever.
It is merging.
It is not Lucid Dreaming or OBEing.
You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension - a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. You've just crossed over into the Twilight Zone.
What is merging?
If you think it's too "out there" but still want to talk about it, I recommend the deep dreaming section ;)
She's prolly talking about dream events coinciding with real world events coinciding with other people's real world/dream events. Not a particularly new concept, but definitely not something that should be discussed in this thread.
Debrajane, you still haven't answered my question: Why defend Newport?
Deep Dreaming SectionQuote:
Originally Posted by Raspberry
Thank you Raspberry
I just woke up, it is 7:30am Sunday 20/March here. I am on my phone but later after i've done the cleaning I will go to Netzone Internet Cafe where I can more easily check out the place you mentioned, the Deep Dreaming Section of Dream Views.
I'm excited, I hope there is something about what I call merging there.
Yup, MzzkcQuote:
Originally Posted by Mzzkc
Like I'd be be awake grieving early hours of the morn about a cat I murder 30 years ago. My old phone called out "new message" and I opened the lint email to find that Nick just posted on saltcube about a cat. Still in tears about my old, secret crime, I post on salt cube what just happened.
Another time I went down to my sacred beach to begin my remotely viewing/mutual dream thingy. My legs are killing me. I lean on a memorial rock to pluck up the courage to walk to the end of the Henley Beach Jetty. I walk the Jetty holding on to the rail for support.
I nearly make it to the end and back but sit on a bench to rub my painful calfs.
A young South Korean man walks up to me, holding a fishing rod, His name is Moon Hee. In broken English he says he is does traditional massage. He can help me. He wants my permission to treat my pain.
He spends a good 20 minutes three-and-then free of charge. He really knows his stuff.
I take my Target picture but also take Moon He's pic and post in my rv thread on saltcube.
Next morning I'm back infront of the Jetty on Henley Beach Square fighting the wind and the rain trying to get a decent pic of the War Memorial rock that I leaned-on in pain yesterday. My phone calls out "New Message". It is Nick posting an amazing prophetic lucid dream he just had.
In it there were text-banners streaming from the MOON.
ABOUT CIVIL "WAR".
that is two times Nick Newport and I were "merged"
But even stronger "sync" have happened.
THAT is why I defend Nick and His WORK.
So, it has nothing to do with the validity or effectiveness of the methods he teaches.
Good to know.
hey! i was joking around!Quote:
Originally Posted by debrajane
what.are.you. TALKING ABOUTQuote:
Originally Posted by debrajane
i think we all need to RC when reading debra's posts
Billy
What's RC?
:facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by debrajane
@ wall of text: If you know enough people for long enough and interact with them often enough, then yeah, you're gonna find some subtle similarities between their dreams and your waking life. But there's no reason to think that whoever you're "syncing" with is beyond criticism. Newport may mean well, but as we've demonstrated, his information in the field of lucid dreaming is incomplete and at times inaccurate. There is nothing special (and certainly nothing worth paying money for) in his tutorials.
You guys
Are like some boring broken record. One which plays ok for a while then gets caught in a loop when it comes to a scratch.
Like listening to an old parrot whose entire repetour is:
Polly wants a cracker
Polly wants a cracker
Polly wants a cracker
Adinfinitum.
Responding with valid counter-arguments is apparently not an option for you.
I want to sync-up and have some fun.
I don't like arguing cos I'm no good at it.
In my outer-life I am friendly with boring people. I live in a 17 room boarding house and folks are ok.
There is amazing potential for spectacular fun in remote viewing/mutual dreaming/synking.
I am not that interested in dreaming or lucid dreaming or out of body experiencers. To me they are lonely, boring and unverifyable.
Participants, Focussing on the Mandala to remote view and/or teleport, then posting, has lead to me going to where that Mandala is anchored and photographing what the participant saw in their dream.
Also it was noticed that when there was more than one participant (on saltcube) focussing on Nick Newport's cardboard box or EyeOneBlack's star, participants would dream each others dreams.
This stuff is heaps more interesting to me than endless argument.
This stuff is heaps more interesting to me than lonly, boring, ordinary, unverifyable, lucid dreaming and obeing.
Except LDing is verifiable, not boring, not ordinary and not lonely. You must be doing it wrong <.<
Especially since you can do the stuff you want to do through LDing lol
Your definition of verifiable is different to mine.
Uh, if you want to change the definition sure, but it should be around the same for everyone. Now if you please stop insulting LDing just because you can't effectivelly use it for the sake of your own experiments, I would be happy.
They can't be all that different if you've "verified" remote dreaming, syncing, and remote viewing.Quote:
Originally Posted by debrajane
Umm, Ok Hukif
I was typing out a note in the note section of this phone. I adjust about to copy and paste it into a post here when you post popped into my email box when I reread it, it was "insulting" lucid dreaming. So, I deleted it. I don't really want to antagonise you lucid dreamers.
Umm, ummmmmmh I just don't know how to encourage you people to give that Mandala a whirl.
Umm, Ok Hukif
I was typing out a note in the note section of this phone. I adjust about to copy and paste it into a post here when you post popped into my email box when I reread it, it was "insulting" lucid dreaming. So, I deleted it. I don't really want to antagonise you lucid dreamers.
Umm, ummmmmmh I just don't know how to encourage you people to give that Mandala a whirl.
I must ask, Debrajane, why you are registered on a lucid dreaming forum if you don't like lucid dreaming.
I don't understand how you don't like it, you're basically being god and able to fulfill your dreams (no pun intended) without taking time out. How many people do you know who, for example, battled a giant werewolf with the help of googly eyed pandas last night, on a different planet? And still got up, completely unharmed, and went to work the next day. Probably with a skip in their step from how much fun they had.
Also, if you do not like lucid dreams, why did you buy nick newport's "methods" and defend them. Especially if they have not worked when you consistantly used them.
Wow I never knew they were fake, I thought he was just very smart on the subject. It makes sense though because I've never seen or heard this information before. Yeah you're right the mind and body are obviously connected with each other.
Basically, Raspberry
I want to go home.
I had a very bad first 9 years of life.
First, age 6, I tried to kill the one who was making me so miserable. I'm proud of that cos at 45 I heard that some, only revert to suicide, if they can't remove the source of their intense suffering. As a tortured infant my natural survival instincts liked in and I put cleaning fluid in dads cupa. But he spat in out, giving me the weirdest look and tried to convince mum in bed beside him, that I had tried to pioson him.
Mum said, "your mad Ron".
But I had.
A year later I tried to go home (die). And again at 9. Fortunately I failed and no one found out.
At 10 we ran away from dad and mum got interested in astral travel through Lobsang Rampa books. Lobsang Rampa wrote a whole book about what happens if one completes suicide. As a result I gave up the idea of suicide.
Since then I have wanted to get home while alive so if there is life after death I can stay there and never come back to this place of massive suffering.
Nick's stuff is a whole lot like Lobsang Rampa.
A dream lead me to saltcube.
My focus is not the same as others.
I just wanna go home, nothing else.
But I'm already trying stuff similar to what you propose, through LDing. Also, if your goal is to travel over to another world, I still would advice LDing as a practice to the "greater discovery" or however you want to call it.
Yes dreams are the best way to access what you call home. I've wanted to kill myself for a long time too, but lucid dreaming has kept me from doing it. The comparison from the amount of unconditonal love of the worlds I visit to the dark hatefuil world we live in is black and white. I wake up feeling incredibly peaceful and feeling loved most of time (depending on what happened that night) to a dark world. But without I don't think I could stand staying here anylonger in conditions I live in.
I can take you home if you want. But you have to remember!!!!!!!
Unrelated to conversation, but FUCK YEAH, OHIO STATE! Go Buckeyes!Quote:
Originally Posted by USA
Saltyseedog
We are only feeling
Mmm
Thank you.
Lol, yeah OSU rocks no doubt!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario92
Am i the only one here that thinks this should be moved to the senseless banter section?
i HATE this placeQuote:
Originally Posted by WLLPEREGOY
Debrajane, do you have some problem with us happy lucid dreamers having a discussion?
Not at all USAQuote:
Originally Posted by USA
I am 51 and on the pension with the diagnosis of Dissociative Identity Disorder and when stressed they tell me I become 3 different people. But I don’t get missing time like 80% of Multiple Personalities people. I’m among the 10% of sufferers that get imaginative reconstruction.
That means instead of getting missing time my brain has a guess at what might have happened while "I" was absent (and another me was taking care of my life).
You guys stress me with your taunts but I got to learn to live with that so I thought I'd better be upfront with you so you don't get toooo confused and think I am insane ... or something. (hehehehahaha)
RaspberryQuote:
Originally Posted by Raspberry
I can't find The Deep Dreaming Section. Please put in the link to the deep dreaming section.
or anyone else who knows where it is please put in the link so I can start reaking it please.
I think you have to apply to the mods to get access to DD. Try PMing Slash or someone.
Go to beyond dreaming, then look at the sticky that says "Deep dreaming" and then apply by PMing an admin/mod.
Also, don't want this moved to SB, this is supposed to tell people about the mis-information in the 101 videos.
Oh and, I want all of that hate, it is MINE!
I don't like being trapped in some dark, deep, eerie, cave just to be involved in light fun friendly synchronistic deep dreaming work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario92
I was told by a witch that Adelaide is known as the city of churches but secretly it is the city of covens. She said, "you take a vow when you are accepted into a coven, here in Adelaide, that "they" will kill you if you leave". She said, "I will need to trust you more before I teach you".
Needless to say I never joined.
I like keeping my stuff above board, open and free. If that means putting up with taunts and crap ... well ... it is worth it to keep the best of dreaming open to other folk like me.
That mandala IS a piece of inner world technology.
Get you butts over to my synchronicity thread and use it.
Already do... but more importantly than that, DD is to weed out people who don't believe in such things, so that nobody will yell at you, more than the "Don't you dare talk about..." thingy you just described. Actually, any more posts, would you mind using the PM feature to a DG or someone in the thread please? This is getting way too off-topic.
Agreed, Hukif. But first:
Deep dreaming isn't a dark eerie cave that's some sort of cult. It's just so that people who make threads that others would write off as weird/impossible such as shared dreaming.
You say it will keep things open to folk like you. Most likely they will have joined deep dreaming then and will see the thread.
Debrajane, you make it sound as if we're sending you death threats. This is a discussion thread. Obviously there are going to be opposing views which is going to create debate and arguement. As I said before, no one is personally insulting you. We're stating our opinion. If this thread is creating stress for you, then, putting it frankly, maybe you shouldn't be here. I don't say this to kick you out of the thread, but just thinking of your general health. If you really do hate this place, why keep coming back? Just curious.
I noticed that this is pretty much the only thread you post in. If you want nice, calm threads where you can just have banter and state your opinion, then that's what the majority of DV is. Maybe you should take more of a look around.
Ok
I just found out that I can delete my posts here at Dream Views
So
some poor soul's believe that I am cyber stalking them. I am not but they don't believe that.
So I told them that I would delete all the threads and posts, that I am able to (where the sites let me) and I am staying of the net except for my Flickr phote stream.
So tomorrow I will come back to this Internet Cafe and delete my 149 posts off Dream Views.
I dont want to add to that poor souls fear. I have no qualms about deleting everything of mine off the net and sticking only to my Flickr account if it will help calm down some one's fears.
So you didn't remember that dream did you..... We were flying above the dream body of earth. Then I teleported us to a city on earth. There were souls flying around with wings, we were in a futuristic looking city. There were hover cars flying around and floating round buildings in the sky. Then I teleported us again to a place. we were on the top of a grassy hill. There were beautiful grassy hills as far as the eye could see with widely spaced trees and an over cast sky. The energy of this place was very peaceful and unconditionally loving. We saw a white man and a black man dressed in brown robes walking up the hill towards us. When they reached us the black man said Hello who are you? in an african sounding accent. I said I am John, a dream warrior, who are you? He said I am sa-ool (don't know how to spell that) You said I am Debra, where are we? I said we are on the dream body of earth, this is where you go after you die, after you are spit out of infinity. You said oh my god. This place feels... feels... I don't know how to descibe it, its just amazing. I said well you can come here whenever you. You are strong enough now, now that I have taken you here once you can come again, in your dreams. You said I can?! How can I come here? I want to stay here and never come back! I don't want to go back there, it hurts... please just let me stay here... I don't want to go back, I hate that place. I never want to go back... Fuck it! There was along period of silence...... John, why did you bring me here? Why would you bring me here and make me go back to earth? I said well you don't have to go back to earth, but you came here (physical earth) for a reason. Things are changing, they are changing fast. You want to be here for that. It will get better. You said they will? When will they get better? I don't want to don't want to sit around for the rest of my lifetime waiting for things to get better. I said well it will take a little while, but things will get much better. You be able to be with the people you love and not be miserable. It will be ok.... I give you a hug and hold you for about a minute. Then I wake up.
Dear Salty
but we did synchronize.
You wrote:
"So you didn't remember that dream did you.....
***We were flying above the dream body of earth.***
Then I teleported us to a city on earth. There were souls flying around with wings, we were in a futuristic looking city. There were hover cars flying around and floating round buildings in the sky. Then I teleported us again to a place. we were on the top of a grassy hill. There were beautiful grassy hills as far as the eye could see with widely spaced trees and an over cast sky. The energy of this place was very peaceful and unconditionally loving. We saw a white man and a black man dressed in brown robes walking up the hill towards us. When they reached us the black man said Hello who are you? in an african sounding accent.
***I said I am John, a dream warrior,***
who are you? He said I am sa-ool (don't know how to spell that) You said I am Debra, where are we? I said we are on the dream body of earth, this is where you go after you die, after you are spit out of infinity. You said oh my god. This place feels... feels... I don't know how to descibe it, its just amazing. I said well you can come here whenever you. You are strong enough now, now that I have taken you here once you can come again, in your dreams. You said I can?! How can I come here? I want to stay here and never come back! I don't want to go back there, it hurts... please just let me stay here... I don't want to go back, I hate that place. I never want to go back... Fuck it! There was along period of silence...... John, why did you bring me here? Why would you bring me here and make me go back to earth? I said well you don't have to go back to earth, but you came here (physical earth) for a reason. Things are changing, they are changing fast. You want to be here for that. It will get better. You said they will? When will they get better? I don't want to don't want to sit around for the rest of my lifetime waiting for things to get better. I said well it will take a little while, but things will get much better. You be able to be with the people you love and not be miserable. It will be ok.... I give you a hug and hold you for about a minute. Then I wake up."
Synchronicity
Yesterday, I looked up General Hanuman. I put "Hanuman" into the YouTube search-bar and watched a 9 minute clip called
"HANUMAN CHAISE - with English subtitles"
I watched it several times.
The reason, I thought, I was watching it was because long ago I told "He who must not be named" (the boyfriend of the woman who is going to the Australian authorities about me allegedly "cyber stalking), well I called her boyfriend:
"An inanely chattering, poo chucking monkey"
Later after several sleeps I realised that TsunaH was a very advanced dreamer who was now specializing.
He is specializing in "protection".
He is becoming like "General HANUMAN". The greatest dream warrior there is.
In this clip "Hanuman" does a lot of FLYING.
Oh,
General HANUMAN is the Monkey God.
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Hi DrWho
About a year ago, At 6:52 am
on 19-March-02010
some one with the handle drwho popped up on saltcube and wrote:
*** Sadly this forum seems to be over run by crystal, reiki and psychic loonies which detracts from what I thought was the aim of the site, namely to investigate and explore the world of lucid dreaming.
Lucid dreaming is a scientific fact and deserves proper investigation and discussion, like the majority of the posts over at Dreamviews. I'm done with this forum until there is a purge of the numbnuts and their looney tunes.
Have fun... ***
I, debraJane replied:
*** hello DrWho
DreamViews sounds good. Give us the link.
Then I (debraJane) posted
*** Hi again DrWho
I like and have now registered at
www.dreamviews.com
I have given a lot of thought to what you said above. I first began trying to astral travel 40 years ago. I had lots a interesting re-entry experiences but only one true OBE 16 years ago. And I have had, now, 2 proper Lucid dreams.
I have been at this for so, so, long that I am willing to try almost anything, including crystal, reiki and psychic lunacy.
I think that where the strength in crystal, reiki and psychic lunacy is, is in the brains love of patterns and stories.
Give the brain a long interwoven pattern or story then supercharge that story with belief (or strong make believe) then watch the brain come alive and connect the dots for you.
I know how powerful this is because in my 50 years of life I have sincerely held several belief systems. I have been a serial monogamist when it comes to belief systems. As in, I would relinquish a previous believe system when I chose another and then sincerely practiced that belief system till it, kind of, went exhaust on me.
The stories and myths of each belief system led to extraordinary experiences. Each belief system led to deep disappointment also. But disappointment is a powerful spiritual catalyst to me once it lifts.
You may see the mythical attributes of crystals as lunacy (and you may be right) but I will enter this lunacy to see where it leads and see how it affects my dream life. Ummm, that is, if people join me in this journey. ***
Well DrWho
This “Numbnut, and her Loony Tune” has purged all of her posts off Saltcube. All 1,740 posts by me at saltcube and all my pictures are gone, (before I leave Netzone Internet Café today.).
:silent::cheeky:
What the facepalm? You left saltcube, home to what you love and adore, to come here, to what you perceive as a hostile environment, amidst people who don't understand you, in pursuit of topics that deal with a comparatively small part of the forum, and generally greeted with hostility from the largely atheist community? Hunh?
TsunaH
Years ago when you welcomed me onto your Yahoogroups site call a “journey in many ways” I told you that I liked your “Something Else” Youtube.
In the comments on that YouTube I said something like, “U R like a battered Shaman who has gone to hell and back, several times, to do tasks for folk that maybe only the “he” “U” could do.
To nearly every communication I had with you in, “A Journey In Many Ways” and your YouTube site and finally at IASD’s main forum, U R mean, mean, mean.
The last couple of days I thought that this might be happening when I “merge” with mean folk like you TsunaH.
I hook up in dreams and merge with U.
In this present incarnation U are tooooo mean. But I don’t accept that.
And
I push into folk’s future and find them (U) in their future Buddha State.
Then only relate to them from that perspective.
What will be, IS, and always has been.
To Me, TsunaH
You are not
“An inanely chattering, poo chucking monkey”
You are the mighty “Dream Warrior”
“Shaman”
“Hanuman”
In this YouTube clip
Like, U R “Something Else”
YouTube - Hanuman
Hanuman flies off to the Himalayas in search of Sanjivini, the medicinal flower that can heal the seriously wounded Lakshman and Jambavan. Summoning forth awesome power, he brings back an entire mountain.
This has surpassed ridiculousness.