omg..I ignored hypnagogic imagry. Read this it may help you. Living lucid in Waking life.

So this morning I was really tired. I was due for a REM-rebound, but in no way at all was I even trying to WILD. Anyway I went to sleep this morning at around 9 a.m., closed my eyes, and fell asleep.

JUST now I'm am remembering that I seen hypnagogic imagery. Like I ACTUALLY seen it and could have pulled myself into a dream. It's like I was lucid almost, low-level lucid in that I was aware of the hypnagogic imagry but i was "just there" and observed.

I don't remember exactly what i saw in HI, but I know what it FELT like. It literally felt like my subconscious thoughts were manifesting, like a thought came and it instantly became real. I have a feeling this is how it works in waking life but on a subconscious level and MUCH slower. If i was more aware I might have been able to control hypnagogic imagery, If i would have had full conscious control of my thoughts, I could just think something and it would just become real.

I've experienced HI once before when i attempted to WILD, but it wasn't as clear or vivid as the ones I had this morning.

I also think this happened because I am living life more lucidly.

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Dreamviews, learn to live lucidly, it is the key to WILDing. You won't have to count to 1,000 or count your breaths or do math problems or any of that. Living lucidly means paying attention to your senses. You would not believe how much t.v., video games, and computer screen distracts you from your senses. In no way am I saying those things are bad, but it does distract you from your senses.

Pay attention to your senses, when you walk down the street, actually "feel" your feet touching the ground, when you eat food, don't just eat, "taste" the flavors in your mouth, when you go to get something out of the fridge "feel" the handle on the fridge, or even when your on the computer, notice your fingers touching the keys and your hand on the mouse.

Close your eyes for just a moment, actually listen to what you hear, the computer fan running?, the air from heating/AC unit?, crickets outside, even the fridge running. THAT is living lucidly. You don't have to do this constantly 24/7, but just making an effort to try and do this will significantly help you reach lucidity. Being lucid in waking life, automatically makes you lucid in dreams.

HaRd WiReD is absolutely right, and even if you were to start paying attention to your senses and it didn't provide any benefit to your attempts to lucid dream, you'll be amazed just how much sharper you can be at everyday life. You'll be the person who notices the inconsistancies, puts thought into situations that require problem solving, and be that little bit more alert when you need to be.

On a side note, television really DOES lower your overall awareness. Watching television or a computer monitor actually alters your brainwaves in a detrimental way (well in relation to lucid dreaming anyway):

Spoiler for Source: http://www.corporations.org/media/tv.html:

"The 'Mulholland' experiment in the early 70's wired ten kids to
electroencephalograph (EEG) machines (which measure brain wave activity)
and sat them down in front of their chosen favourite programmes. He
expected to see plenty of fast beta waves, which would indicate that they
were actively responding to something (as is produced when reading or
during conservation); instead all he could find were the slower alpha
waves of the kind found when a person is in a coma or put in a trance
where the subject is not interacting with the outside world at all."

I will admit, the source of much information on the subject is heavily biased. Just a little info-candy for anybody that is interested - Its why you can feel yourself zoning out when you're watching TV or playing, just as HaRd WiReD noted.

Yes society has us like zombies, we're just sleeping. Ever stayed in the house for 1 or 2 days and went outside?
The sun causes a pressure in the head. That's the pineal gland reacting because of a lack of sun-light.

We don't pay attention anymore like we should, our society is spoiled. ADD is not a real disorder, it's because of constant t.v., games, and computer.
Shades check out my 2nd last post in the Beyond Dreaming section called "Amazing and bizarre experiences", last page.

Our pineal gland is hungry for awareness.

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Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Yes society has us like zombies, we're just sleeping. Ever stayed in the house for 1 or 2 days and went outside?
The sun causes a pressure in the head. That's the pineal gland reacting because of a lack of sun-light.

We don't pay attention anymore like we should, our society is spoiled. ADD is not a real disorder, it's because of constant t.v., games, and computer.
Shades check out my 2nd last post in the Beyond Dreaming section called "Amazing and bizarre experiences", last page.

Our pineal gland is hungry for awareness.

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I agree with what you have to say to an extent. ADD and ADHD respectively have to be 'real' disorders or the treatments available for such disorders would not be effective, especially in the case of treatment with Desoxyn (methamphetamine) which is given in the most extreme cases. You'll notice that the medications the patients diagnosed are given dramatically improves their symptoms.

However - Thats not to say that influences like TV for example are not to blame for a percentage of people showing symptoms of ADD/ADHD.

Back on topic? :)

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I agree with what you have to say to an extent. ADD and ADHD respectively have to be 'real' disorders or the treatments available for such disorders would not be effective, especially in the case of treatment with Desoxyn (methamphetamine) which is given in the most extreme cases. You'll notice that the medications the patients diagnosed are given dramatically improves their symptoms.

However - Thats not to say that influences like TV for example are not to blame for a percentage of people showing symptoms of ADD/ADHD.

Back on topic? :)

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Do you have any idea how much the big pharmaceutical companies make off their drugs?. They posion our food and water purposely so that we can get sick and need to take their drugs. This is not conspiracy, this has been speculated on mainstream news. This has been going on at least since the 70's or 80's.

ADD/ADHD is not real, they'll give you adderall to make you pay attention and focus, and in turn get you hooked on legal tweak. It's all about Money money money.

I was diagnosed with ADHD when i was younger. Man I was so amped in the 6th grade, the teacher taped my hands to the desk, and put duck tape over my mouth. I was a complete disruption to the class. They gave me ridlin to calm me down, which only made me sleepy, and that's it. My mother had taken me off of it not much later.

My point is that if you are add/adhd you can learn to be aware by actually making an conscious effort to do so. You don't need any kind of drugs. Even if you really are "diagnosed" as add/adhd. The pills are there just so they can get money. Although they are effective, I can bet that it was because that child was spoiled. Now show me a story where a person that grew up "poor" is add, then I'll change my mind about the t.v..,video games, and computer thing being solely the purpose for add/adhd. People in poverty don't have much and are more aware of the outside world.

And as for the treatments being effective, your right they are effective, but if you give a lazy grown adult that sits around all day and looks at T.V. and give him some adderall, he will be just as aware as a CIA agent.

Disclaimer: I am in no way condoning the use of any drugs. Drugs are bad mmm-kkayy.

Now back on topic. :D

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... they gave me ridlin to calm me down, which only made me sleepy, and that's it...

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Thats where my point lies. Ritalin, or racemic methylphenidate hydrochloride, is a psychostimulant. It is one of the closest pharmacological agents to cocaine in terms of mode-of-action on the dopamergenic system. I'd know, I take it personally and did a great deal of research before agreeing to take it (I don't have ADD/ADHD or any other form of focus issues by the way, I'm diagnosed with something different). I know from personal experience that its effect on people without ADD/ADHD is psychostimulation, not indifferent to amphetamine - it carries an amphetamine backbone.

So what is my point here? If Ritalin made you sleepy then you obviously had a different balance of neurotransmitters - namely dopamine - at the time which is what ADD is described as.

Apologies for deviating off topic, I won't reply on this subject again.

No problems man, I get your point. I seriously did NOT know Ritalin made some people active.

I just got done doing the dishes and tried to be lucid about it lol. I noticed the feel of the dishes in my hand and the towel rubbing on the counter.

I also feel that living more lucidly will significantly help overall memory. You ever noticed that sex dreams are the most vivid and you can remember them more than any other dream? That's because during sex your more aware of the touch/feel sense.

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No problems man, I get your point. I seriously did NOT know Ritalin made some people active.

I just got done doing the dishes and tried to be lucid about it lol. I noticed the feel of the dishes in my hand and the towel rubbing on the counter.

I also feel that living more lucidly will significantly help overall memory. You ever noticed that sex dreams are the most vivid and you can remember them more than any other dream? That's because during sex your more aware of the touch/feel sense.

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I wouldn't know... I havn't had a chance to, 'you know' quite yet. I'm only 15. Don't let that diminish my credibility though ;).

Oh wow, your pretty smart for your age.

I bet if we live lucidly 24/7, we won't need to "try" to WILD, we'll just fall asleep and just be in a dream fully-lucid without even trying.

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Oh wow, your pretty smart for your age.

I bet if we live lucidly 24/7, we won't need to "try" to WILD, we'll just fall asleep and just be in a dream fully-lucid without even trying.

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I've tried mate, I've tried. Its really, really hard without coffee - You end up finding yourself waking up from a little daydream through the day all the time.

Then again, I'm always tired... Hahaha. :P

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Dreamviews, learn to live lucidly, it is the key to WILDing.

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OK, since you're sounding so authoritative on the topic... I need to gather some data. How frequently can you WILD, how many times per night? How frequently do you have lucid dreams, how many per night can you count? How much can you go with lucidity without missing a single night?

Look, that's irrelevant Arutad. I just started living lucidly and already feel the significant increase in memory(dream recall), attention/focus and level of awareness. If you are just here to "prove" something than go and do your own techniques and leave this thread alone, pls, thnx, bye. This is simple practice anyone can do. You will see the results yourself.

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Back on topic, just try going a whole day being lucid in waking life, and you will notice the improvement in dream memory, lucidity, and attention/focus....this is the same thing tibetan dream yoga is. The pineal gland is hungry for awareness.

this proves i don't need technology to WILD

Amazingly my dream recall is the best when I am outside and aware.

tell me something.

ok , I believe and see that TV and computer lower our overall awareness, that`s very right...but what If I am reading in the PC?
what If I am reading a book? do you have more info about that?

so, If I stop using the computer a lot (like 3-5 hours per day...shit!)(and now I can see my dream recall is shitty) then my awareness will grow? makes sense, I'm working on it

Awareness is it.

Living lucidly is good terms for that too. it makes sense. it puts you in a mindset where recognising dreams and reality should be natural.

okay, I can't think straight rightn now, too melted. cya

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HaRd WiReD is absolutely right, and even if you were to start paying attention to your senses and it didn't provide any benefit to your attempts to lucid dream, you'll be amazed just how much sharper you can be at everyday life. You'll be the person who notices the inconsistancies, puts thought into situations that require problem solving, and be that little bit more alert when you need to be.

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yeah, that's the great part.
but, I'm sure it will help with lucidity man, well, it will make your dream recall very good and your vividness will increase....
tell me something Shades, are you a very aware person? are you a natural..or what?

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yeah, that's the great part.
but, I'm sure it will help with lucidity man, well, it will make your dream recall very good and your vividness will increase....
tell me something Shades, are you a very aware person? are you a natural..or what?

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I can't say I'm a master lucid dreamer, in fact the truth is far from it. So lucid dreams, personally in my account, are irrelevant from whether I live lucidly or not. I don't know why, but I've always been an extremely aware person - Keeping tabs on everything around me without making any effort. Its a very useful skill to have :).

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Look, that's irrelevant Arutad.

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When you're ill, do you go to a doctor or to an elementary math teacher? ;) I'd prefer as a guy who studied medicine and not math. Just trying to find out what kind of diploma you have...

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I just started living lucidly

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Ok you just started, but come and make a topic, as if you've tested it and got super magnificent results! Don't pay attention to the feeling of annoyance that is arising now, please look truth in the face ;)

It's a special illness of novices, once they learnt a small bit of something they can't hold it within and start teaching it to others like gurus. Experienced guys don't show that much zeal.

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When you're ill, do you go to a doctor or to an elementary math teacher? ;) I'd prefer as a guy who studied medicine and not math. Just trying to find out what kind of diploma you have...


Ok you just started, but come and make a topic, as if you've tested it and got super magnificent results! Don't pay attention to the feeling of annoyance that is arising now, please look truth in the face ;)

It's a special illness of novices, once they learnt a small bit of something they can't hold it within and start teaching it to others like gurus. Experienced guys don't show that much zeal.

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Your 666th post. Sorry, thought I'd just point that out... ;)

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Your 666th post. Sorry, thought I'd just point that out... ;)

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Darn too late! I already posted the 667th post before I saw you pointing out the quantity ;). No candles at midnight and satan summonings this time.

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No candles at midnight and satan summonings this time.

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lol

Lucid living is an amazing concept. I posted something similar in Beyond Dreaming, because I thought if I posted it here, it would get moved.

Lucid living is simply increasing awareness in waking life.

Thanks for sharing.

this is great!

this is totally true Hard_Wired.
I practiced for the first time this method, I used it for 3 hours...
I didn't have very significant results, just one: in my dream, for a moment, I thought "I should be doing the method...(living lucidly). but no more.
I think the point is doing it the entire day, to have significant results even if you do it for one day, because it makes a lot of sense. I mean, how can you perceive the world? there is one way to do it, and you are always doing it, but maybe not aware of it. It's trough your senses, now if you are more aware of them, more aware of this information going to you, then it's obvious that you will notices changes. you simply become extremely lucid, by using 5 of them everyday. the best way so far to become lucid in dreams.
the more you do this, the more dreams you remember. if you remember more and more dreams, they become more and more vivid. and this vividness is the thing that keep your mind aware and in the moment.