LD goggles

**lord soth** · 06-19-2004 07:00 AM

okay, if you visit my webpage (www.geocities.com/outcast20087923) ( a bit later as in, when i get that part up again) you can find plans for some rudamentary LD goggles, of course, those rely on guesswork as to when you are in REM.

BUT

there are two ways I can make better ones, any suggestions and comments are welcome, I am not that experienced in electronics, but I can solder, and I understand all of the symbols there are and how they apply, ect.

1) Using software that links to your computer such as dreamweaver you can directly connect goggles to the computer via serial port, but that is hard to sleep with, having a cable connected to your head, and a whirring compy in the background, lights and all. So there is this website, right? and of course, i have forgotten the name of it, it shows you how to make (with about 5 parts each) a wireless serial link. It is tiny, and other than adding in a power source (that could be located on the back of a strap going arond your head) it would be weightless. This could also support sound.

or...

2) If you have an optical mouse at hand, place it over your eye, and wait for the light to grow dim, then move your eye around a bit, (closed, of course) the light should grow bright, and the mouse start to move around on the screen a bit. So if somone could create a simple logic circut, aka, if voltage high then activate LED 1 else, activate LED 2, whereas led 1 would be in the visible light spectrum, and led 2 would be infared, so as to let you actually fall asleep. Somehow you must lower the sensitivity of it so as to actually let you move around a bit, although tighter goggles will also stop this from happening. As soon as your eyes start moving back and forth in REM it should go off, and making LED 1 a blinking led would also be a good idea, or since the led already on the mouse can penatrate your eyelid you could just put an RC circut on it to make it blink (no not RC as in remote control)

other than training yourself to question if you are awake or not when you see a blinking light no other training is required.

Q's? comments?

**Remus** · 06-19-2004 04:06 PM

I'd like to try and make my own as the ones you buy are too expensive..xD

**lord soth** · 06-19-2004 05:02 PM

These are just like the ones you buy, (well the first one is) but It isnt wireless, the second one is a cost efective and easy way to make them.

**Seeker** · 06-19-2004 05:23 PM

Hi Lord Soth, Welcome!

Glad to have another tinkerer lurking around. Give this thread a look:
http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3237

There is a link to a micro-controlled one, and further down, I proposed something using IR LEDs and phototransistors.

**lord soth** · 06-20-2004 01:35 AM

The first pair of plans involves a microcontroler, err, programmable chip, and good luck actually downloading the code into that, i dont think he tells you how. hes german so the parts may be anywhere, good luck finding them, if you can find them and got them all ordered and such, it wouldnt take much skill, the more you have, however the better it will look.
the second pair is just like the ones i built at www.geocities.com/outcast20087923/goggles.html (direct link, not accessable from main page, be sure to check out the main page however) that method is unrelyable, as you spend so little time (or none at all) in REM

aaannnddd the and operation that needs to fit in around the two leds, also need to fit in the LEDs

www.geocities.com/oucast20087923/andopperation.bmp

the one I propose to use is the one using the optical mouse, they are easy enough to find you know, you only need one.
any ideas on making the and circut obsolete?, maby a special LED that I dont know about for some reason?[/url]

**Seeker** · 06-20-2004 03:49 AM

I had never considered the optical mouse when I was thinking about building one with OP amps. Should work. One thing to remember is you just need one detector since your eyes always move in tandem.

**lord soth** · 06-20-2004 05:59 AM

who says my eyes move in tangent!?, they dont move in tangent!

well, most of the time they do, except when I try to cross em, and then, they ah, well, it just doesnt..... yea you get it.

anyway, nasty thought, some optical mice may not be as sensitive and require a more, ah, distinct surface to sense on,
PAINT YOUR EYELIDS!
yep, that is the nasty thought, imagine if the paint drys and you get all stuck like that,

(shiny paint, maybe ducktape)

about the circut I made earlier, you need to base it off of the power of your mouse, mine takes 5 volts (look at the bottom on a sticker) not sure if its AC or dc, hopefully dc, because I just dont want to bother with making a bridge rectifier, so since 5 is a little more than 4.5 (half of 9 volts) i will have to halve the value of the resistors, doids, ect.

or

to get rid of the rectifier problem:
get a usb mouse, that allready requires batteries. you may want to modify it with a switch and a plugin so that you can have it as a normal mouse and as you LD goggles (LOL!) since it would be wireless, there may also be a way to transmit data to the computer. of course there would need to be some discrete components and a microcontroler, (of which I am the proud owner of

)

seeker, could you describe the one you were thinking of making out of OP amps? and I KNOW that you only need one sensor (look up)

**Seeker** · 06-20-2004 12:04 PM

This http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic....der=asc&start=6 was what I was thinking of. Same concept that those outside motion detectors on floodlights use.

I think you could probably use eye shadow instead of paint. I think blue might work best if using the mouse.

....I just placed my optical mouse over one eye and moved my eyes rapidly. Cursor didn't move. Guess you would really have to crank up the sensitivity.

**lord soth** · 06-20-2004 06:23 PM

actually, I didnt have to crank up the sensitivity, but thats not the point, moving the mouse around the screen, we are trying to get it to activate the higher voltage AKA whan you move it the dull light grows brighter so that the mouse can better sense the pad its on. (I know it works for me) unfourtunatly I cant buy a new optical mouse to try this on.

you might need to take the mouse and remove the sensing part, since having a mouse tapped to your head isnt that fun.......

why are we the only ones posting here?

**Seeker** · 06-21-2004 12:48 PM

Originally posted by lord soth
why are we the only ones posting here?

I don't know, there is at least one other technogeek here *coughcoughDOUGDRUMScoughcough*

Anyway, I've been thinking this weekend. You don't really need a detector.

If you could possible make a small timer circuit, have it wait for 6 hours, and then begin flashing every 15 minutes, you would almost certainly hit a REM cycle.

**lord soth** · 06-21-2004 05:11 PM

why dont you just have something that perpetually blinks? or has a timing circut that wont let it start blinking until your asleep

because its cheeeeting, thats why!

but, dang it, you are right,

and the most simple design that I can come up with is an alarm clock. With a switch that makes it into an alarm clock or an ld machine and once the alarm goes off it will power a motor that will act as the switch for a blinking superbright (blue) LED (relay)

I like blue leds, not only do they cost more, but they are brighter, and look cooler

Anyway, I've been thinking this weekend. You don't really need a detector.

only for this weekend?[/quote]

**sme_bro** · 06-22-2004 03:28 AM

Im hesitant to say this buuuuuuuut-there is another dream forun site that is very very much like this one(i was so weirded out finding this one here) anyway on this other forum there was a very similar if not the same kinda topic posted, and snce then some succsess has been achieved over there.

http://../viewtopic.php?t=5714&start...t=nova+goggles

also im new to this forum but i was wondering is there some kind of unspoken taboo about that other site, surely it must have been seen by many of you? are there people who are members of both?
i feel as tho im in another dimension here because the people are so alike and so are the topics and posts, its like a dream or somthing.
so yeah if you are allowed whats that haps with the other site ld4all?

**Seeker** · 06-22-2004 03:42 AM

Sure, we know about that site. There are people that hang out at both, but hey, we are here to help spread the word about lucid dreaming same as they are.

Taboo? Naw, visit there, visit here, share your experiences.

Oh, and BTW Welcome to our forum!

**sme_bro** · 06-22-2004 04:46 AM

phew! thanks heaps for clearing it up-i hope im not on some targeted list now for the traitors and spies

and thanks for the welcome!(wrong topic i know but thanks anyway)

**lord soth** · 06-22-2004 05:43 AM

I am ASSUMING

that you speak for yourself when you say that "We" go to different forums

and the winner is! SME_BRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to be the finnisher in the race to be the newest person to post (shame on all the others who dont think they are techno-savy enough to at least join in the conversation) good job man 8)

I am also ASSUMINGshock: that the creator of this forum and webpage is either seeker or paperdoll -who?

back to the goggles, I think we were all taking this way to complicated aproch that was doomed to empty our pockets of viatal cash that can be used to buy.......things.........that most people would buy
like....
LD GOGGLES!

I was thinking I would make the whole thing mobile or something by takind a rudamentary 10 $$ watch and converting it into the first ever truly unnoticeable-lightweight traveling ld goggle(s), by using the alarm in that thing to power one of those tiny-easy-to-break-rc-car-motors for a relay, to power the blinking goggle lights for the rest of the night. (and trust me, the motors are easy to break, i ordered this beam robotic kit once, and needless to say, it spun in circles (god the plans were hard to understand, being as there were none...)

**ffx-dreamz** · 06-22-2004 05:45 AM

I don't think Im as tech-savvy as I should be...at least for that crap, Im more into programming than the actual hardware involved

.But, Im gonna join in for the hell of it.

**beanland** · 06-22-2004 05:55 AM

Same here, FFX.

But I'm planning on building a MAME cabinet over the summer... Probably not as difficult as making some LD goggles, but it's a start!

**Seeker** · 06-22-2004 12:03 PM

Originally posted by lord soth
I am also ASSUMINGshock: that the creator of this forum and webpage is either seeker or paperdoll -who?

Nope icedawg is the creator and owner of this place. Paperdoll is a global moderator and I just kind of just keep the grass mowed and the dishes washed.

Anyway, goggles.

I was thinking about the alarm clock thing and about goggles in general.

I cannot sleep with anything on my head, so, I was thinking about mounting a flashlight or something on the alarm clock.

Cut the speaker wire and rig it to the relay and have it drive the flashlight.

Wonder what my wife would think of that?

**lord soth** · 06-22-2004 06:45 PM

yea, make sure that the alarm clock is dc and not ac, it wont work if its ac, and it might blow up your flashlight.

use a big flashlight, I have one that makes your back all nice and toasty warm from accross the house

wouldnt want that in my eyes.

unless its a LED flashlight it wont be able to blink you know, to make it blink though, you just need one blinking led in between all the rest of the leds and the power

whats a MAME cabinet? does it really maim you?
what kind of programming, ffx-dreamz?

I was thinking that since you were the (only?) admin that you were in charge, seeker, and that paperdoll had more posts than anyone, so...yea

**ffx-dreamz** · 06-22-2004 06:55 PM

Well, if you wanna call html programming, Im a master

But, I have dabled in java and python.

**lord soth** · 06-22-2004 09:29 PM

yea, I know html, have made java applets and used javascript, I know c and css-->(web programming language, along with javascript and html) css is WAY better than html by the way. You should try to learn it, it isnt that hard, go to this part of my webpage
www.geocities.com/outcast20087923/hcplans.html and look at the style changer I have up in the corner, it changes the type of color and background using css and javascript (took me a while, there)

we are getting off-topic

I do believe I will start to build another pair of goggles soon, then (as soon as I can)

**dougdrums** · 06-23-2004 04:34 AM

Mobile ones would be cool, but let's not get too far here.

Here's a idea I just thought of for REM detection. It involves 4 small mercury switches positioned like this:

Code:

|/

=o=

/|

The purpose of this is to detect sleep paralysis during alpha-state sleep. I works by that when any of the mercury switches are switched by movement, it hits a trigger to keep a blinking LED from blinking for a bit. When you stop moving, it starts blinking.

One thing that I would like with glasses is that a small emg be hooked up to your wrists to pick up a signal of three clenching fists, to let the device know to stop blinking, as to not make you lose your lucidity or be waken up.

And also, sleeping with cords attached to you is something that you easly get used to...

And icedawg owns the site and forums.

A MAME cabinet (I assume) is like an arcade machine, except it is run by a computer with the arcade emulator, MAME.

The parallel port would work better than the serial port in this application.

**lord soth** · 06-23-2004 05:50 PM

i dont get the positioning, I am assuming that the "/" are the switches, and the "|" is the eye

right?

oh, and that would require extensive amounts of descrete components

or a stamp (microcontroller)

or a computer (most feasable)

and no, it is not easy to get used to being attached to cords, you feel like, you cant move around, because you might break it..... ect