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I tried a wild last night. As I was laying in bed, thinking, concentrating on falling asleep, I started to see things. I fell into deep concentration. Then suddenly I start to feel heavy REM and I start freaking out. It's unconfortable and it's hard for me to keep my eyes closed. So unfortunetely I had to open my eyes. I was so close. I could almost feel myself enter my dream.
Any pointers on how to keep my eyes closed during REM?
WHY WON'T ANYBODY ANSWER ME?
Sorry, Saturdays are busy days for me and I'm not online much.
Can you sleep with a sleep mask on? I am thinking that maybe the little extra pressure on your eyelids might help. If not, is is possible to really darken your room?
It might not matter if your eyes are open a little just as long as there is no light in yor eyes to pull you back to conciousness.
I don't know if I would fight this too hard, one night, you may open your eyes and find you are in a dream. This is quite common.
Good luck, let me know if I can help further.
Thanks for the advice seeker. Yeah the time I tried it, it was already about 7 in the morning so it was kind of light out (I went to bed late that night). next time I'll go to bed earlier so I can wake up earlier to do the wild.
Also, what exactly is a dream mask?
Sleep mask =P. I thought I said that :oops:
One of those thin black things with elastic bands to hold it on your head. You see people using the on planes a lot trying to get some sleep.
Oh crap sorry. I meant to say sleep mask.
Oh all right. I don't have one of those. I think I'll just peek my eyes open a bit next time so it's less stress on my eyes.
But last time it was weird I was so pissed off. I was going into a dream almost. I could feel it, but the eye movement just forced me to open my eyes and disrupted the whole thing
Yeah, it can really be frustrating at times! This morning, I was almost all the way in. My dream consisted of me looking up at my headboard. Everything was just starting to firm up and my wife shifted in bed. I was just recovering and reentering and she shifted again.
I gave up at that point and just went to sleep!
Haha oh man that sounds frustrating.
Question: What is the transition feeling supposed to feel like, when you are slipping into a dream in a WILD?
for me it usually feels like i'm falling, though there are different ways of approaching a wild, so i guess that's where things differ. the first time i tried a wild i was just focusing on relaxing my body as much as possible and observing the shapes and colours that i was seeing. then i felt this cold breeze and my body started twitching (which is THIS close to falling asleep)... i freaked out. since then i didn't have much success with that technique.Quote:
Originally posted by mustachecake
Haha oh man that sounds frustrating.
Question: What is the transition feeling supposed to feel like, when you are slipping into a dream in a WILD?
what worked best for me was a counting method. i simply count until i trail off and do a reality check... if i reach 20 but i start thinking about bees, i do a reality check... sometimes i reach 100+ and i forget where i am, so i do a reality check... if i'm not sleeping, i start again. surprisingly enough, it worked pretty good (didn't have much time lately to try ld-ing)... i'd start counting, forget what i was doing, do a reality check and what do you know? my whole arm is blinking on an off.
the problem then was getting out of bed (which i didn't have with other kinds of induction methods).
but yeah, back to the question, it depends on how you do things or what you visualize... it can be just a feeling of falling, it can be that windy chill and twitching of muscles... or it can also be nothing at all, you just open your eyes, everything looks normal but you're in a dream... at least for me, i don't know about other people.
Hi! Um, I was just wondering if someone could help me with something- I try to WILD alot but I always get stuck.
I start "jumping" in bed (like when you're all relaxed and someone behind you taps you, you get surprised and "jump"), and I know that the paralysis is close (from what I've read). Then I just... go to sleep :| . What can I do to keep myself conscious enough to get past this?
For me it varies. Sometimes I will experience intense vibrations, sometimes it is more like a gentle \"buzzing\" hard to explain, but it is a lot like the feeling you get when pushing a lawnn mower, but it happens all over your body.Quote:
Originally posted by mustachecake
Haha oh man that sounds frustrating.
Question: What is the transition feeling supposed to feel like, when you are slipping into a dream in a WILD?
Last night for the first time, I heard weird noises like I;ve heard some people tell of during the transition. The were not loud or scarey, but were certainly weird.
In the final stages, just before entering the dream, I will feel a gentle sinking feeling. Think of the times when you went to bed totally exhausted, maybe after being up for 24 hours or more and your head hits the pillow. You know how you can feel yourself \"falling\" into the darkness? That is the feeling.
There is a very fine line here. You are indeed very close. I'm thinking maybe you are not allowing your logical mind to wake up enough before returning to bed and perhaps conciousness is slipping away too easily. However, and here is where the crappy part comes in, if you awaken too much, you will spend hours laying in bed trying to relax enough to even get to the stage you are at today.Quote:
Originally posted by cnthRyder
Hi! Um, I was just wondering if someone could help me with something- I try to WILD alot but I always get stuck. *
I start \"jumping\" in bed (like when you're all relaxed and someone behind you taps you, you get surprised and \"jump\"), and I know that the paralysis is close (from what I've read). Then I just... go to sleep :| . What can I do to keep myself conscious enough to get past this?
Just try to focus and count, I'm sure you are almost there.
Yeah I've been on the verge of a WILD for a long time now. I usually start counting for a while untill I am really relaxed then just repeating 'lucid dream' in my head. My problem is that I can get right up to the edge, but I can't seem to let go enough to enter a dream. Sometimes I feel it coming on really well, but there's nothing to kinda 'pull me into' a dream... hard to explain.
Today I tried it, and counted for a while, but instead of then repeating a phrase I decided to simply concentrate on my breathing, and the sound it made n my nose (lol). It worked really well, and I know that once I can learn how to enter a dream I will be very very successful with WILD. I've been attempting it in the afternoon alot, but now I'm going to do it in the mornings after being awake for a while.
me too! :DQuote:
Originally posted by MeusOpusMagnus
for me it usually feels like i'm falling
I think I succeded in having a WILD a couple of night ago. As it's one of my first experiences with WILD I'm not sure enough.
Yesterday I could not pass stage 4 (transition). I got completely relaxed (almost don't felling my body, just the head. A strong felling of something like a heavy blanket pressing my body (weight).
I focused in my breath but could not get from there. I had dream fragments and continue to focus in my breath. Sometimes I feel a light buzz and a gentle felling of going towards the black that I'm seeing behind my closed eyelids. I think it's the falling sensation that you're taking about, but not very sure. Am I correct? But a moment later that felling vanished and I came back to deep relaxing. I got to the buzz and coming back to deep relaxing a couple of times. What I have to do to go to the buzz and do not come back from there?
But from there I could not pass yesterday. I think I'm a little bit more awake than what was the correct balance awake/sleeping I was supposed to be. What sould I have done?
And a final question. When I started to try WILD and got the fellings that came from the WILD inducing I started to thing MILD as a minor inducing technique. Something that "MILD is not so powerful as WILD". I do not want that felling turns my MILD attempts weaker (mind playing games with me) because from the 11 LD that I got until today, 10 were induced by MILD. Do you had the same bad felling with MILD that I had. What I should do to overcome that?
Thanks in advance for any answer!
Please don't think of MILD as a minor technique. All induction techniques are equally important in that they get you to your goal, having a lucid dream.
It sounds to me like you are doing everything correctly, but, maybe as you suspect, you are just a little too awake during transition.
Question, during transition, were you trying to analyse the things you were feeling, or did you just accept and go along with them, without analyzing?
Focussing on the sensations will often kill it.
As I said above I'm not thinking of MILD as a minor technique, but I think my mind is playing this trick to me. Could I make me clear now?Quote:
Please don't think of MILD as a minor technique. All induction techniques are equally important in that they get you to your goal, having a lucid dream. [/b]
Well, I'm not sure! :DQuote:
Question, during transition, were you trying to analyse the things you were feeling, or did you just accept and go along with them, without analyzing? [/b]
As I said, it's my firsts WILD tries and I'm just starting to notice the subtle things that happens when doing it. But I think I'm trying not to analyze what's is happenning. I tried to follows all the WILD description that I read, including yours :P
I think I'm really a little bit more alert than I was supposed to be. My body is relaxed (a lot indeed!) but my mind seems to be more alert than I'd like it to be. :(
I also tried your suggestion, from the WILD tutorial, about seeing the sea, the waves, etc....
For me, there doesn't seem to be much of a transition at all.
After I go back to bed, I relax as much as possible and concentrate on watching the imagery. I also count "1, I'm dreaming, 2, I'm dreaming," etc. until I drift off. At this point, either nothing has happened or I'm aware that I'm in my bed, dreaming and lucid. I don't have any of the strange sensations that people talk about.
When it works, I decide to get out of bed and then find that I'm in an OBE. At first, I was interested in looking at the "guy sleeping in my bed" but now after leaving my body, I just jump out the window and have a great LD.
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The "falling" is definately surprising on your first try. I was surprised a few nights ago, when I went to bed and felt it come "out of nowhere", when actually I was going through a WILD without consciously being aware (does that make sense?).
Tip: don't let your mind drift onto worrying things during a WILD attempt.
When I try to do WILD, on the transitions, I feel like I'm flying forwards at like 1000 miles per hour or things are flying at me at that speed. And it's usually skulls and weird stuff that I fly past (or fly towards me). Then I can't take the speed, like when I'm on a roller coaster, and I just wake up.
I got a question. When you lucid dream, do you always have sleep paralysis? so if you wanna wake up in a lucid dream, and you can't, isn't the "the old hag?"
[semi off topic] I have not tried any LD induction method yet and just started a my dream journal 6 days ago... would it be too early to attempt WILD ?
Its never to late to switch to WILD My first attempt at an induced lucid dream was a WILD and I almost succeeded :P
just wanted to add,i know exactly how you feel.Last night i was slipping into a deeeeep state of hypnosis and it started freaking me out.The black in front of my eyes felt like it was swallowing up my entire body and my heart rate jacked up and i couldnt breathe welll and i jolted up.It was odd.Hopefully tonight ill reach it again but be better controlled.
When I attempt WILD, I get my body numb in less than 10 mins, then a very very light HI starts and at some point (30 mins) a part of my body (it could be anyone) moves by itself when I feel I am close, and obviously I loose concentration and all that...
Is it normal? Is there a way to aboid it?
I guess you shoudl try the counting thing. you say:
1... I am dreaming
2... I am dreaming
3... I am dreaming
4... I am dreaming
and etc. until you're really relaxed.
I tried WILD again last night; it was around 4am.
I've got deeply relaxed to the point that I did not feel my body, but did not enter the Phase 4 (Transition) as Seeker explain here. I keep relaxed, sometimes seeing hypnagogic images, felling a buzz but seems to coming back to just deeply relaxed. What I'm doing wrong? What can I do to get to Transition phase? I read the Seeker tutorial many times but did not see a clue to where I stopped.
Any help will be very appreciated!