Originally posted by djv+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(djv)</div>
yeah I have read many of Laberges books, and he thinks their just lucid dreams, and I suppose that is why so many people don't beleive in obe's everyone is reading these books!!lol I would say to those who are skeptics, don't knock it untill you try it, and also be willing to accept possibliites.
From what I've read, Laberge does not believe they are LD's. Seems more like he doesn't believe in them at all and that they are actually just regular dreams. Look at the below excerpt from the link I pasted. And if you read the article it is peppered with phrases such as \"OBE-like,\" \"convinced that it is a real event,\" \"people feel as if they are perceiving the real world,\" etc.... He never says an OBE is when someone leaves the body, but defines it as when someone feels like they leave their body.
I'm not trying to say people who believe in OBE's are nuts. It's just I don't believe in them. I'm not sure how to try them either as you suggest. When I have the experiences that others have described as OBE's I do reality checks and determine I am dreaming every time.
\"Because of the strong connection between OBEs and lucid
dreaming, some researchers in the area have suggested that OBEs
are a type of lucid dream (Faraday, 1976; Honegger, 1979; Salley,
1982). One problem with this argument is that although people who
have OBEs are also likely to have lucid dreams, OBEs are far less
frequent, and can happen to people who have never had lucid
dreams. Furthermore, OBEs are quite plainly different from lucid
dreams in that during a typical OBE the experient is convinced
that the OBE is a real event happening in the physical world and
not a dream, unlike a lucid dream, in which by definition the
dreamer is certain that the event is a dream. There is an
exception that connects the two experiences -- when we feel
ourselves leaving the body, but also know that we are dreaming.\"[/b]
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