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      Laws of the Dream Plane, Dream Battle Theory

      If you think this is ridiculous, please test out these laws in your lucid dream battles to see if they work or not. I challenge you to disprove these laws through your dreams.

      To understand dream Battling, you must understand the Laws of the Dream Plane. Just as there are physical laws, physics, there are dreamical laws, dreamics.

      First some laws of the dream plane:

      1) The dream plane is made of pure energy.

      2) Thoughts are pure energy.

      3) There are different types of beings in dreams: DC's, dreamers, interdimensional beings, non-sentient beings, and semi-sentient beings.

      a) DC's: Dream Characters. Manifestations of a dreamer's mind. They will disappear as soon as the dream stops thinking about them.
      b) Dreamers: Other dreamers from Earth, the physical plane.
      c) Inter-dimensional Beings: Sentient beings not from earth.
      d) non-sentient beings: these creatures are alive, yet have the mind of a simple organism such as a clam.
      e) semi-sentient: these are creatures that are partially aware of themselves, such as many animals.

      4) We all have an Inner World. Our Inner World is an infinite world of our subconscious mind's creation. "My" dream is a dream in my Inner World.

      5) The Outer World is the dream plane beyond a meeting of minds. The Outer World is another total plane of existence.

      6) Each Dimension is made of three planes: the dream plane, the physical plane, the astral plane.

      The Physical Plane
      The physical plane is where the physical waking world is.

      The Astral Plane
      The astral plane is between the dream plane and the physical. The astral plane is the real of remote viewing and astral projection. In the astral plane, you perceive some of the physical plane, and some of the dream plane simultaneously. Remote viewers are taught to filter out the dream plane, and focus on the physical by keeping their eyes open. Astral projection is more spiritually focused, and intentional AP'ers (which is inducing and out-of-body-experience), will be more aware of the dream plane. People astral project in their sleep all the time.

      The Dream Plane
      The dream plane is a plane of pure energy. Thought appears instantly on the dream plane. Intelligent and creative people can be very powerful on the dream plane no matter what state their physical body is in.

      Different types of Battle scenarios:

      Dreamer vs. DC's:
      If you are fighting your own DC's, you can instantly kill them all, love them all, or ignore them, and they will be instantly defeated. If you are battling another person's DC's, you are indirectly fighting that person, so see the rules of dreamer vs. dreamer, and dreamer vs. sentient being.

      Dreamer vs. Dreamer:
      - In this scenario archetype, attention, and energy are all key.

      Dreamer vs. Inter-dimensional or Sentient Being
      - The rules are basically the same for fighting dreamer vs. dreamer, but generally inter-dimensional beings are more aware of the dream plane, especially whether they are in someone else's dream, their dream, a mix of the two, or in the Outer World. They may or may not have a physical body in their home dimension. They may have been living on the dream plane for centuries, or untold millennia, therefore can be extremely powerful.

      Archetypes
      Archetype means our frame of reference. Here's an example: You are into magic, so you shoot fireballs at an enemy. He becomes a water elemental, and puts out your fireballs. Another person fires a gun instead. The opponent becomes a block of granite. These are examples of a countering defense based on archetype. A good example of this is the wizard vs. witch battle at the end of The Sword in the Stone. Other examples of dream battling: Dragon Ball Z, Avatar, D&D.

      - Even if you ignore a dreamer's attack, you will still get attacked, because the other dreamer is sending antagonistic energy toward you which will not disappear just because you ignore the dreamer, since the dreamer is more than a manifestation of your thought.

      - There is always a weakness in every attack that can be exploited for a defensive counterattack. The weakness is based on the originator's archetypes. For example: The weakness of fire is water.

      Attention
      Attention is focusing energy. If you give another dreamer too much attention, they can actually steal your energy.

      Example: Tooth moves to attack me in slow motion, with a giant zombie fist. I am fascinated yet disgusted with the detail of the zombie fist. I can see the rotting flesh, and even maggots crawling in it. I want to puke. BAM! He socks me right in the forehead.

      So, in the example, I gave so much attention to his fist, it consumed my thoughts for a split second, and he was able to get a hit in. In other words, he stole my energy for a second by stealing my attention.

      Energy can be pulled using attention in any way. Using Cuteness, Beauty, Sexiness, Disgustingness, Size, Ugliness, Hilarity, Sympathy, Fear are some techniques to name a few.

      Solution: Learn how to be aware of everything. Do not allow any one thing to draw your focus for too long. This can be likened to Perseus using a shield as a mirror so as not to look into the face of Medusa.

      Energy

      The entire dream plane is energy. Therefore ignoring another dreamer's attack is not effective. Energy gives us strength and endurance. There are basically two types of attacks, a pull attack, and a push attack. A pull attack is taking the opponent's energy away.

      Dreamer vs. Non-sentient beings

      Non-sentient beings that will attack you are parasites. The benign non-sentient beings draw energy from the ambient energy. There are also non-sentient beings that draw energy from these, like animals, and so on. These parasites attach to you, or infect your dream body and feed off of your energy.

      Dreamer vs. Semi-Sentient Beings

      These may be beings evolving toward sentience. They are like many of the animals, such as dogs, which have a level of sentience, but not to the level of elephants, dolphins, or humans. These may be simple minded, but they may have been living on the dream plane for a long time. They may attack in packs or swarms.
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      Wow, killer detailed explanation.

      Wow,,, this is really good.

      You really broke it down WakingNomad. Good Job :bravo:

      I want to mention, I think it's awesome that other people can have Dream Characters, DC's of you. Now, I'm curious about this, and about what kinda cosmic laws are involved in this, but, I had a lucid dream once, one of those alpha lucids if you will, one that sticks with you for years and years. I was aware when both my mother and my girl friend had created DC's that were me. Now, this is the wierd part, being awake and knowing I was dreaming I could instantly manifest myself, seamlessly into the DC of the me in their dreams, now knowing everything the DC of the me in their dreams had been doing. Now, that is freaking wierd to me.

      For example, my mom was having a nightmare of being attacked by two burglers, I felt her , I then decided to go to her, and upon showing up saw the distressfull situation she had created. I killed the two burglers for her, and left it at that. Now, by killing the two burglers (her DC's) something the me as a DC in her dream wasn't going to do, I felt finished with the situation and left.

      My girl freind was having a dream of me at a Rave. I showed up and instantly knew everything the DC of me in her dream had been doing and saying.
      I really wanted my girlfriend to know we were dreaming and told her so. She said she knew we were dreaming, but I wanted to illustrate it more.
      I asked her to touch her finger to mine. When she did, we could push our fingers through eachothers fingers. I know that sounds trippy, but it wasn't, it was like we were each pushing our fingers into water, there was even ripples expanding away from our fingers in the middle of the air between us. Anyway, regardless of the fact that I felt absolutely sure we were dreaming together, the next day she remembered none of it. Kinda bummed me out.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DarkoMarco View Post
      Wow,,, this is really good.

      You really broke it down WakingNomad. Good Job :bravo:

      I want to mention, I think it's awesome that other people can have Dream Characters, DC's of you. Now, I'm curious about this, and about what kinda cosmic laws are involved in this, but, I had a lucid dream once, one of those alpha lucids if you will, one that sticks with you for years and years. I was aware when both my mother and my girl friend had created DC's that were me. Now, this is the wierd part, being awake and knowing I was dreaming I could instantly manifest myself, seamlessly into the DC of the me in their dreams, now knowing everything the DC of the me in their dreams had been doing. Now, that is freaking wierd to me.

      For example, my mom was having a nightmare of being attacked by two burglers, I felt her , I then decided to go to her, and upon showing up saw the distressfull situation she had created. I killed the two burglers for her, and left it at that. Now, by killing the two burglers (her DC's) something the me as a DC in her dream wasn't going to do, I felt finished with the situation and left.

      My girl freind was having a dream of me at a Rave. I showed up and instantly knew everything the DC of me in her dream had been doing and saying.
      I really wanted my girlfriend to know we were dreaming and told her so. She said she knew we were dreaming, but I wanted to illustrate it more.
      I asked her to touch her finger to mine. When she did, we could push our fingers through eachothers fingers. I know that sounds trippy, but it wasn't, it was like we were each pushing our fingers into water, there was even ripples expanding away from our fingers in the middle of the air between us. Anyway, regardless of the fact that I felt absolutely sure we were dreaming together, the next day she remembered none of it. Kinda bummed me out.
      Congratulations on being the first one to reply on over 200+ views. I think a lot of people think it's too long or just too foreign. Anyway, going into a DC of you is a trippy idea. Touching your girlfriend's fingers like that sounds amazing. It happens a lot that people don't remember their dreams in general. Recall is the most important skill in dreaming, for it is the foundation of all.
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      Attention
      Attention is focusing energy. If you give another dreamer too much attention, they can actually steal your energy.
      Example: Tooth moves to attack me in slow motion, with a giant zombie fist. I am fascinated yet disgusted with the detail of the zombie fist. I can see the rotting flesh, and even maggots crawling in it. I want to puke. BAM! He socks me right in the forehead.
      So, in the example, I gave so much attention to his fist, it consumed my thoughts for a split second, and he was able to get a hit in. In other words, he stole my energy for a second by stealing my attention.
      Energy can be pulled using attention in any way. Using Cuteness, Beauty, Sexiness, Disgustingness, Size, Ugliness, Hilarity, Sympathy, Fear are some techniques to name a few.
      Solution: Learn how to be aware of everything. Do not allow any one thing to draw your focus for too long. This can be likened to Perseus using a shield as a mirror so as not to look into the face of Medusa.
      Energy
      The entire dream plane is energy. Therefore ignoring another dreamer's attack is not effective. Energy gives us strength and endurance. There are basically two types of attacks, a pull attack, and a push attack. A pull attack is taking the opponent's energy away.
      Dreamer vs. Non-sentient beings
      Non-sentient beings that will attack you are parasites. The benign non-sentient beings draw energy from the ambient energy. There are also non-sentient beings that draw energy from these, like animals, and so on. These parasites attach to you, or infect your dream body and feed off of your energy.
      Dreamer vs. Semi-Sentient Beings
      These may be beings evolving toward sentience. They are like many of the animals, such as dogs, which have a level of sentience, but not to the level of elephants, dolphins, or humans. These may be simple minded, but they may have been living on the dream plane for a long time. They may attack in packs or swarms.




      Okay, I didn't even touch on this stuff before, because, I was too self aware by what the first stuff you said was making me think of.
      Basically, this is the real stuff right here. This is the money shot so to speak. This is the meat and potatoes of what your getting at.
      This is basically taking the idea of the "Small Fry Petty Tyrant" and the idea of "not indulging" in our tendencies to give away or be tricked into giving away our energy as penned by Carlos Castaneda, then, you kinda candy cane swirled in some Celestine Prophecy ideas as far as "control dramas" (the sympathy card gets me a lot) are concerned. Very nice. This is basically why Carlos says to focus on your hands when you feel your losing your lucidity, so that you keep your energy.
      I'm impressed, I mean, this stuff is hard to practice in the waking world, I have no idea how you do it in the dream world. Nice stuff though.
      I'll be working on my dream memory.
      Maybe working one aspect of your dream memory will enhance the other.
      By remembering your dreams when your awake, maybe the dreaming memory will be enhanced enough to remember your waking self information.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DarkoMarco View Post
      Attention
      Attention is focusing energy. If you give another dreamer too much attention, they can actually steal your energy.
      Example: Tooth moves to attack me in slow motion, with a giant zombie fist. I am fascinated yet disgusted with the detail of the zombie fist. I can see the rotting flesh, and even maggots crawling in it. I want to puke. BAM! He socks me right in the forehead.
      So, in the example, I gave so much attention to his fist, it consumed my thoughts for a split second, and he was able to get a hit in. In other words, he stole my energy for a second by stealing my attention.
      Energy can be pulled using attention in any way. Using Cuteness, Beauty, Sexiness, Disgustingness, Size, Ugliness, Hilarity, Sympathy, Fear are some techniques to name a few.
      Solution: Learn how to be aware of everything. Do not allow any one thing to draw your focus for too long. This can be likened to Perseus using a shield as a mirror so as not to look into the face of Medusa.
      Energy
      The entire dream plane is energy. Therefore ignoring another dreamer's attack is not effective. Energy gives us strength and endurance. There are basically two types of attacks, a pull attack, and a push attack. A pull attack is taking the opponent's energy away.
      Dreamer vs. Non-sentient beings
      Non-sentient beings that will attack you are parasites. The benign non-sentient beings draw energy from the ambient energy. There are also non-sentient beings that draw energy from these, like animals, and so on. These parasites attach to you, or infect your dream body and feed off of your energy.
      Dreamer vs. Semi-Sentient Beings
      These may be beings evolving toward sentience. They are like many of the animals, such as dogs, which have a level of sentience, but not to the level of elephants, dolphins, or humans. These may be simple minded, but they may have been living on the dream plane for a long time. They may attack in packs or swarms.




      Okay, I didn't even touch on this stuff before, because, I was too self aware by what the first stuff you said was making me think of.
      Basically, this is the real stuff right here. This is the money shot so to speak. This is the meat and potatoes of what your getting at.
      This is basically taking the idea of the "Small Fry Petty Tyrant" and the idea of "not indulging" in our tendencies to give away or be tricked into giving away our energy as penned by Carlos Castaneda, then, you kinda candy cane swirled in some Celestine Prophecy ideas as far as "control dramas" (the sympathy card gets me a lot) are concerned. Very nice. This is basically why Carlos says to focus on your hands when you feel your losing your lucidity, so that you keep your energy.
      I'm impressed, I mean, this stuff is hard to practice in the waking world, I have no idea how you do it in the dream world. Nice stuff though.
      I'll be working on my dream memory.
      Maybe working one aspect of your dream memory will enhance the other.
      By remembering your dreams when your awake, maybe the dreaming memory will be enhanced enough to remember your waking self information.
      Thanks for posting.

      Check this out: apply dream battle principles to waking life. You can see how some people try to steal energy, others share it, others give too much away, some draw it from nature, some from other people.

      Everyone wants your attention, especially when you have a lot of energy.

      So far, no one has attempted to disprove this.
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      Dreamer vs. Inter-dimensional or Sentient Being
      - The rules are basically the same for fighting dreamer vs. dreamer, but generally inter-dimensional beings are more aware of the dream plane, especially whether they are in someone else's dream, their dream, a mix of the two, or in the Outer World. They may or may not have a physical body in their home dimension. They may have been living on the dream plane for centuries, or untold millennia, therefore can be extremely powerful.
      Cool, I finally figuired out the quote tags. And holy moly, there is a spell checker in the advanced part, man, I am glad to find that thing. LOL




      My uncle was always a rather,,,, impatient man. A couple of months after he passed he showed up in my dream, doing all sorts of things so as to make me aware I was dreaming. I wasn't catching on.

      So, he upped the ante a bit. He turned into a giant Easter Island head, sprouted arms and legs, picked me up, and at this point, I knew I was dreaming, was lucid, and still couldn't get outta those giant stone hands of his.

      I continued to struggle, and I began to panic, he increased my unease by bringing me close to his giant stone Easter Island face. He told me to remember to tell his spouse and my mother that he was okay now, and not to worry about him anymore he told me to repeat what he had said, I did.

      I told my mom and his spouse what he said. That was for dang sure, I don't particularly wanna be visited by my uncle again.

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      Great post! A lot of what you have said echoes my own personal sentiments. I've found that the attention thing when fighting something which isn't a DC is particularly true. I think this is where being a fan of cartoon style violence comes into play for me. I mean, if you're going into a fight, the last thing you're going to expect to see is an anvil dropping on your head Wile Coyote style.

      And the weaknesses thing really resounded with me. I was once fighting something which was throwing fireballs at me, when it occurred to me that ice would cancel out fire. So I started putting up sheets of ice in front of me and stopping the fireballs dead.

      I think anyone interested in being able to fight well in the dream world would be well advised to read this post! Nice work.
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      Quote Originally Posted by DarkoMarco View Post
      Cool, I finally figuired out the quote tags. And holy moly, there is a spell checker in the advanced part, man, I am glad to find that thing. LOL




      My uncle was always a rather,,,, impatient man. A couple of months after he passed he showed up in my dream, doing all sorts of things so as to make me aware I was dreaming. I wasn't catching on.

      So, he upped the ante a bit. He turned into a giant Easter Island head, sprouted arms and legs, picked me up, and at this point, I knew I was dreaming, was lucid, and still couldn't get outta those giant stone hands of his.

      I continued to struggle, and I began to panic, he increased my unease by bringing me close to his giant stone Easter Island face. He told me to remember to tell his spouse and my mother that he was okay now, and not to worry about him anymore he told me to repeat what he had said, I did.

      I told my mom and his spouse what he said. That was for dang sure, I don't particularly wanna be visited by my uncle again.
      He probably morphed to make you remember the dream more. I have giant stone Easter Island sculptures embedded in the wall of the City of Nowhere on the other side of the Moon. They shoot lasers out of their eye sockets at enemies. lol

      Quote Originally Posted by MisterHyde View Post
      Great post! A lot of what you have said echoes my own personal sentiments. I've found that the attention thing when fighting something which isn't a DC is particularly true. I think this is where being a fan of cartoon style violence comes into play for me. I mean, if you're going into a fight, the last thing you're going to expect to see is an anvil dropping on your head Wile Coyote style.

      And the weaknesses thing really resounded with me. I was once fighting something which was throwing fireballs at me, when it occurred to me that ice would cancel out fire. So I started putting up sheets of ice in front of me and stopping the fireballs dead.

      I think anyone interested in being able to fight well in the dream world would be well advised to read this post! Nice work.
      Thanks man. Archetypes such as fire water, whatever are actually elementary, and advanced dream warriors can go beyond this. But, this is beyond my current skill. Vegeta told me that in a dream, but I haven't posted it it yet.
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      Quote Originally Posted by WakingNomad View Post
      Archetypes such as fire water, whatever are actually elementary, and advanced dream warriors can go beyond this. But, this is beyond my current skill. Vegeta told me that in a dream, but I haven't posted it it yet.
      I've never actually fought in a dream, but could you please give some examples? You seem to be quite the experienced dreamer, but yet you said that is beyond your current skill?

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      Quote Originally Posted by WakingNomad View Post
      [xample: Tooth moves to attack me in slow motion, with a giant zombie fist. I am fascinated yet disgusted with the detail of the zombie fist. I can see the rotting flesh, and even maggots crawling in it. I want to puke. BAM! He socks me right in the forehead.
      Really? Cause, to me it just looks like he distracted you.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Und3rP4rr View Post
      I've never actually fought in a dream, but could you please give some examples? You seem to be quite the experienced dreamer, but yet you said that is beyond your current skill?
      Instead I will give you the names of people who like to battle in dreams, and you can read their DJ's: Raven Knight, Tigress AKA WarriorTiger, Loaf, Mzzkc, Oneironaut

      You will begin to see patterns after awhile.

      Moving beyond the elemental archetypes to perceiving and battling with only pure energy is beyond my current skill.

      Quote Originally Posted by Supernova View Post
      Really? Cause, to me it just looks like he distracted you.
      In this scenario, he did distract me, yes. So, I am not really sure what your question is.
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      Do you actually get attacked that often in dreams? I have had lots of lucid dreams and have never met anything that I didn't think was myself, never mind being attacked by it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by WakingNomad View Post
      Instead I will give you the names of people who like to battle in dreams, and you can read their DJ's: Raven Knight, Tigress AKA WarriorTiger, Loaf, Mzzkc, Oneironaut

      You will begin to see patterns after awhile.

      Moving beyond the elemental archetypes to perceiving and battling with only pure energy is beyond my current skill.
      Wow. I know what I am going to do next time I'm lucid.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tranquil Toad View Post
      Do you actually get attacked that often in dreams? I have had lots of lucid dreams and have never met anything that I didn't think was myself, never mind being attacked by it.
      I have been attacked in dreams ever since I was a child. I was forced to fight. I had nightmares 2 or 3 times a week.

      Quote Originally Posted by Und3rP4rr View Post
      Wow. I know what I am going to do next time I'm lucid.
      Man, if you can battle perceiving pure energy, that would be awesome. Good luck.
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      Great! I recognize lots of what you say in my own experience. And lately I have also been frequently attacked. When I saw Inception I thought this whole story of the other dreamer's DC's attacking you was just bulshit because in my dreams the only demons I encountered were my own. But lately I've been attacked a lot and I start feeling it's not coming from myself but really from others. Our own demons are our egos fighting back - because we're aware and mindful in a dream, this is a direct attack to the ego, so he sends out his armies. Now the same happens with others ego's, because I am entering their dreams with a more clear intent and their ego, subconsciously reacts like an immune system. Not always, it depends how open the dreamer is to my presence, if it is a 50/50 shared dream or his/her own dream and how much fear or love is feeling on that moment, but it happens, so it's good to have some skills to fight back. Thanks.
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      Quote Originally Posted by WakingNomad View Post
      I have been attacked in dreams ever since I was a child. I was forced to fight. I had nightmares 2 or 3 times a week.
      Yee, and i was having lots of fights during my dreams when i was a child and teeny but not anymore. I fought mainly aliens and daemons My last fight in a dream i can recall was a fight against some bad vampires who wanted to steal my powers That was fun. No remorse for such suckers hahahahaha Ive cut them to pieces with razor blade.

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      Thanks for finally answering my question!! I read a book called conversations with god that blew my mind. It talks about how all thought is energy and matter is actually just slowed down energy

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      Quote Originally Posted by immaia View Post
      Great! I recognize lots of what you say in my own experience. And lately I have also been frequently attacked. When I saw Inception I thought this whole story of the other dreamer's DC's attacking you was just bulshit because in my dreams the only demons I encountered were my own. But lately I've been attacked a lot and I start feeling it's not coming from myself but really from others. Our own demons are our egos fighting back - because we're aware and mindful in a dream, this is a direct attack to the ego, so he sends out his armies. Now the same happens with others ego's, because I am entering their dreams with a more clear intent and their ego, subconsciously reacts like an immune system. Not always, it depends how open the dreamer is to my presence, if it is a 50/50 shared dream or his/her own dream and how much fear or love is feeling on that moment, but it happens, so it's good to have some skills to fight back. Thanks.
      I tried to like "inception", I just felt like there was way too much shooting and not enough philosophy. And if they were going to have violence,,,,why the retarded shooting scenes???? Why not some WakingNomad fighting dream sequences

      I know the DC is a main culprit in dreams, but, I also think that interaction with "other" beings, those we might deam entities is a common occurance.
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      Well, I'm still digesting this whole story of beings in the dream plane that are not from our our minds and egos. I obviously accept the possibility, it's just that I never really thought about it and am still exploring it.
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      Thank you. I've been looking for information like this recently, and have been having some difficulties. My dream experiences have echoed some of the "fringe-ier" aspects of Lucid Dreaming Theory, and what I've discovered is that there is just a small fraction of LD'ers consciously train in their dream abilities and actively search out battles with negative energies and malicious inter dimensional beings. They're often in our dreams and in hiding, only preferring to reveal themselves only when necessary... This is also why those who might have a higher lucid awareness, or can attain lucidity on a consistent nightly basis are attacked... which is a fear-mongering mechanism. Those that are more prone to recognize those invasions are also more prone to be fucked with by said malicious beings. The key here is distractions and wasted time. Misfocused energy. Like always having sex when you become lucid instead of actively learning or achieving something.

      I feel like I've been having a SECOND awakening to LDing... at first I was just blown away by what I thought to be the sheer power of own mind, but I've been experiencing what I can only describe as the dream space as a shared reality, with actual viable threats to it. There are lots of dreamers, fewer LD'ers, and then fewer that are Dream Warriors who harness their powers for the good of the dreaming.

      A good rule of thumb to expose the invasive beings vs. your created DC's is to shout "all thought forms must now disappear" which would leave those masquerading shape shifting bastards for you to dispose of.

      Are there any other threads or internet sites that reflect the types of ideas in this thread? I've awoken to my Warrior Life and need all the support I can get.
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      So Nomad? This may be the reason you can't do it but, how would pure energy be possible. Wouldnt you dilute the energy with you own thoughts? And very good post.

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      How can you for sure know the difference between a DC, Dreamer, and Inter-dimensional or Sentient Being?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Stryke View Post
      How can you for sure know the difference between a DC, Dreamer, and Inter-dimensional or Sentient Being?
      Becuase every being has a different "feel" to them kinda like the force in star wars. So when you meet a dreamer, you can feel that he/she is a dreamer, and not just a DC.
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      I mentioned earlier that if you shout to the dream "all thought forms must now disappear" everything in the dream created from your mind (DCs included) will vanish, just leaving any other Dreamers or various beings.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Captain Frapo View Post
      I mentioned earlier that if you shout to the dream "all thought forms must now disappear" everything in the dream created from your mind (DCs included) will vanish, just leaving any other Dreamers or various beings.
      Another trick is to ignore Dcs... the ones that vanish are the projection from your mind. Most DCs talk gibberish anyway
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