I have a personal experience to share too. I think it sorta makes the whole idea of ghosts and nightmares even more complex. Have you heard of tulpas? When I was little I saw an anime that created strong emotions in me.
Juroara
I’m familiar with them. John Keel discusses the idea in his book “visitors from space”. He discusses author Walter Gibson, and how he spent years in a house in Greenwich Village penning his novels about the character known as “The Shadow”.
The thing was, years after Gibson had moved out, occupants reported seeing a man in a black cape and a broad rimmed black hat, a phantom like figure, this figure appeared ghost like by all accounts. Keel suggested that Gibson’s intense concentration in creating the character had manifested a tulpa, and that the thousands of readers acted in concert to maintain the thing.
Though, I’m familiar with the concept of tulpas, I am not knowingly familiar with the application of them. The example I just gave sounds cut and dry in the extant that the Shadow came from the imagination of the prolific writer.
But what if it didn’t.
Have you ever seen the movie “Monsters Inc.”? It’s a great kids movie. I’m still to this day impressed by it. The movie depicts monsters in an alternate dimension that haunt the bedrooms of children in order to take energy from the kids by scaring them. This energy they take then maintains the “city” they have in their alternate dimension.
I’m struck by the not so subtle symbolism here, and how it relates with what I have seen.
Ghosts from what I have seen, leave energy like residue in places they frequent. This residue is usually placed strategically, in the view of a would be sleeper. The residue is pliable and malleable and extremely shape sensitive to the imagination of anyone who sees it. In other words, what ever is in your imagination at the present time, will affect this substance. It also acts as a web does to a spider, in the sense that the ghost, who left it, will feel a subtle vibration from it, and come a calling.
I remember being a kid, and seeing things in the dark, things playing out. I can recall many times as a kid this playing out, and I spent many, many nights rapped tightly in my blankets with my head under the cover, not knowing why, but feeling as if there was a vampire trying to nibble on me.
Whatever was playing out in the substance, the ghost, when he arrives via the vibration in his spider web, will know. And even if this wasn’t the case, ghosts are telepathic by nature anyway, and can read your mind. So whatever a ghost can find in your mind and emotions to more embody, they will manifest so in which to affect you.
So, in relation to John Keel’s “The Shadow” example, I’m sure the occupants of the house, knew about the famous author who used to live there, and as such, with that character so fresh in their minds the ghosts had something to work with, as well with the pliable energy webs they leave behind.
I’m not saying there are not tulpas, or other strange phantasmological phenomenon out there, I’m not saying that. There definatly are definatly some weirder stuff out there than simply ghosts, but, I gotta say, a lot of it is ghosts.
It has been my experience that, ghosts are everywhere, almost, all the time. And their favorite time to visit us, is in our beds. As such, when I hear an example such as this, it is hard for me not to lay it at there feet.
You could be right though, it could be a tulpa of your own imagining, or the collective imagining of everyone who has seen the anime movie you are referring to. The same energy ghosts leave behind as imagination traps could be molded into one of these tulpas, and who knows where that comes from.
I was only around 8, but I was already dream journaling. When I woke up the only thing I remembered was the sound of my voice screaming. It actually took me a few moments to realize the scream I am hearing is MY voice! The memory of the nightmare instantly disappeared from me! Darkness. That's all I remember. That day I knew something unusual happened. And I knew without question it had something to do with the strong emotions of the anime.
I was haunted. On one level I actually really liked the anime.On the other, I was afraid of it. I thought I was just being a silly 8 year old so I watched the anime again, and again to conquer my fear of it. But each viewing was only worse than the previous! The strong emotions actually set in AFTER watching the movie. My thoughts become frantic, I feel sick, I can't sleep, I become depressed. I didn't understand. I just thought I was obsessive and weird. As a teenager I met other anime fans. I found out most of them are HAPPY to watch their favorite anime. How do I tell them, I call this anime my favorite because its in my head. But it doesnt make me happy, and I don't actually like it. Actually, I AVOID watching it.
There was another layer to my problem. If I become depressed, upset, or just overly emotional - the anime and the characters are there in my head. Making the strong emotions and the anime one - inseparable.This relationship made me question...which comes first? Thinking about the anime, or the emotions? And if the emotions come first, then where are they coming from, if I wasn't thinking about the anime? I started to suspect that maybe, neither the thoughts of the anime or the emotions originate from my being. One night confirmed my suspicion.
Juroara
You wanna hear something weird? When I was 8 I had pretty much the same thing happen to me.
My movie, and though you didn’t tell me yours (shame, shame on you ) was “Flash Gordon”. The one where Queen sings the song, “Flash,,,ahhh ahhhh, defender of the universe”. With the exception that I remember my dream. I’m going to tell it, so that I can give you an example of what I think was a ghost inspired “Old Hag Syndrome” nightmare.
This is the scariest dream I’ve ever had, and I remember it like it was yesterday.
The evil character from Flash Gordon “Ming the Merciless” complete with black winged cape, black coif on his bald head, and Anton LaVey eyebrows and facial hair arrives on earth in a giant shark shaped space ship (say that five times fast ). He shows up to earth and offers a proposition. That everyone immediately surrender, or face the consequences. The consequences being that you will be shot by an energy beam laser gun that will kill you the cruelest way known in the galaxy. You will be morphed into only your brain, which gains in size in proportion to the over all mass of your body, you are then placed inside of a energy field that causes time to stand still for you, you then suffer the most excruciating pain for what seems like 100 years, while witnesses to what is happening only see you pulsate in pain for a few seconds as a big brain and die.
This was extremely scary to see, as a little kid, and I saw everyone I know eventually die like this in my dream. I was part of the resistance. The rest of the resistance still fighting with me was the cast of the animated Saturday morning cartoon “Godzilla” minus Godzilla and Godzookie, bummer, they would have helped immensely J.
Ming the merciless had a legion of minions, and they all were hunting me though the whole dream. After the last person I knew died, I was running down an alley adjacent to my “real” house at the time. I had evaded Ming’s minions, only to be overtaken by a large black raven. The raven flew from behind me over my right shoulder over taking me, landed in front of me, morphing into Ming the merciless, who then shot me with the afore mentioned energy weapon, killing me the cruelest way known in the galaxy. I then morphed into a brain, began pulsating, and woke up screaming as loud as my lungs would scream.
The reason I mention this, is because, the apartment I lived in at the time was considered haunted. I felt like it was haunted and my mother reported strange occurrences as well. It didn’t help any, that the building maintenance man befriended my mother and informed her that, the man who had the apartment prior to us had been shot in the kitchen.
Now, I was just a kid, and as such this could have been just a bad dream. It didn’t haunt me persay like your dream haunted your thoughts in the waking world,,,but, it stayed with me through all these years, and I remember it to this very day.
I was laying down to sleep. I felt fine! Really I felt fine. But suddenly I get this strong intuitive feeling. And I say to myself "I'm about to be attacked!". I feel it descend on me. I instantly felt like I was sinking, lower, lower, drowning. I was drowning in despair, hopelessness. It took over my entire body and I had no strength to fight it. And the anime characters were there, saying horrible things, projecting thoughts and imagery that only made me more depressed.
I knew that morning it wasn't just my head. I knew that I had just been attacked by an entity.I thought of my nightmare from when I was 8, and I became deeply concerned that something happened to me that night. I started to wonder if the millions of fans over the past two decades have created so much energy, that tulpas of the characters are running around in the etheric. Lifeless, energy sucking demons.
juroara
You could be right, I mean, the “Monsters Inc” movie metaphor could work here as well.
The night I fell asleep deeply wanting an answer. I dream about a man communicating with God. His wife tells them that she believes we need to pay attention to all the small signs and subtlety, or we will miss Gods message. A light bulb went off in my head! God's communicating to me right now!
In my dream I ask God "Take me back to my childhood, show me the nightmare I can't remember"Instantly I fall into paralysis. A vortex opens up above me, and I am zooming towards it! I knew on the other side was the memory of the nightmare I can't remember. The missing puzzle!Suddenly two dark beings pull me down, threaten me, their voices the most demonic I've ever heard. They pin me down. I can't breathe. The vortex is still there. I wake up.I woke up terrified because, it was two demons. And the anime has two main characters. Two characters that plague me if I get emotionally upset. Two. Two. And two.
juroara
To this, I have to open up another level or description to enhance or muddy our discussion, I really don’t know which it will do.
I have witnessed two types of ghosts. I don’t usually mention this, because it’s hard enough to get into this discussion and not lose it in a tangent, and this is what I feel I’m risking here, but, from what you are saying, it is so applicable, I have to go ahead and mention it.
I have witnessed two types of ghosts.
1. The first appear in my front vision, they appear at first to be amorphous blobs of energy, usually reddish in color. Upon entering into a state of stilled mind and focusing, I see a form of a human, usually a torso, a waist, shoulders, and the outline of a head. The head has contours and shape but no face. The head always, and I mean always had a red sphere inside of it. The sphere is small, appears in the same spot that Hindu’s wear the red dot on their fore head, and is inside the head, floating fixed in the middle of the head.
These beings for the most part do as they will, and feel no need to answer to anybody.
These are by far the most common type of ghost, and account for 99.9% of the ghosts I have seen.
2. The second appear in my side vision. They appear to be black silhouettes in human form. Upon entering into a state of stilled mind and focusing, I can see the form clearly of a human being, but only out of the corner of my eye. I can shift my head back and forth and keep the being in sight. I do no recall the red dot inside the head.
I worked my tail off attempting to cross one over one time. I did not succeed in the manner I am accustomed to.
These beings do the bidding of entities they consider above themselves, there is fear and apprehension on their part when entertaining the notion of leaving the system they are in, and I am struck by the idea of a pyramid scheme when looking at the system they are a part of.
They survive on being a parasite, and they themselves are parasitized. It’s like a mafia thing, a raquitering operation of beings who refuse to cross over. I say refuse to cross over, because I’m pretty sure they are deceased humans, but I haven’t had enough experience to know for sure. Could they be tulpas, creations somewhat in the over all form of humans?
It would definatly correspond to the original concept of “The Shadow”, as mentioned earlier and would fit in the classification of “Shadow People” that have been discussed at length by others.
I felt disgusted at the thought that all these years, what I thought was just my imagination, was not. That I was interacting with two entities, abusing me emotionally. I still can't remember the nightmare.If I sense the onset of a neg attack, I just direct my attention else where and it goes away. That's how I know these emotions are alien and not of myself, or I wouldn't be able to deny them so easily. And I know because by contrast I have emotions I can't deny. If I try to deny them they only intensify. I find these emotions that I can't deny, only try to lead me to a greater sense of happiness. Stark contrast compared to the neg attack!
juroara
Well this is the most important part. I’m glad the attacks are defendable and defeatable by you. I have gotten into this discussion before with people who sound so much more victimized that it makes me heartsick. So, I’m glad you were able to conquer your demons so to speak so well.
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