Thread: Old Hag Syndrom - Are night terrors caused by ghosts? I think so

The only thing I can relate to this is when I lay with a blank mind, I sometimes get an image of a skull in my vision. Never believed it to be more than just HI however. Never had this with open eyes.

I do open eye meditation I haven't seen ghosts yet tho, but I have noticed how they interfere into meditation very annoying.. just like in the song you linked it seems like these ghosts, or demons as I call them, know yourself better than you do. So they are able to keep you into a mental maze, even if you're aware if being in a maze.. very annoying! If you know more about these ghosts or demons let me hear!

There is a phenomena out there called paradolia or "matrixing" which is simply nothing more than your brain trying to make sense of abstract images and perceptions. The brain likes to be able to make sense out of chaos so it creates a pattern that seems familiar. It's the reason why people can see Jesus on a piece of toast. :-) It is also highly susceptible to the power of suggestion. For instance I may just see a blob of color on the toast but when someone points out the image of Jesus I too will see Jesus. I have done open eyed meditation both in the dark and in the light and I have seen faces and other images but I have attributed it to matrixing or hypnagogic imagry.

This is a VERY good thread!, I can't wait to hear more..

I attribute most of my fear to some presence that keeps bugging me at home.. I've always felt strong emotions.. fear, and sometimes images in my head.. scary images.. sometimes I don't even like to look at myself in the mirror... I feel like mirros can show certain things that we couldn't see normally (I've never actully seen anything, but still), I avoid them... I know its stupid and I'm not as obsessed about it as I may sound.. but I live alone now, (my dad just passed away) and the apt gets really dark, and I can't help these images in my head... I spend a LOT of time alone.. I don't go out.. don't have friends at the moment.. they're all back in my country

I went to a channeling a couple of months ago.. and the spirit talking through this man, was suppose to be a good spirit, like in the name of God.. he comes and takes over this guy to help people. you can share with him whatever problem or concern you have, and he will help you, advice you... I came to him with this 'concern' of mine.. told him how sometimes I have these sudden Emotions! running thru me... strong emotions, of sadness or helplessness.. like when you feel that something bad is going to happen... I sense fear, and darkness... its weird, and I'm tired of it...

He told me that was a long story.. complicated and it took much more time to explain, and our time was running out.. so he explained it in a very quick way... he said: in past lives, we sometimes do things to people.. we hurt them... bad... so these people, filled with anger and wanting to get revenge, they start following you around, after they die... they even follow you in following incarnations you may have, just to wait for you to be just a little depressed or whatever.. just a little window and BUM! they start trying to hurt you, and feeding off you misery.. (sort of... I mean these are my words, not the exact words he said),

They just want to make you "pay" for what you did to them...

So he said it wasn't me.. it wasn't in my head... which was kind of a relief for me!, I thought I had a heart of psycho!! cause sometimes I have these thoughts and images out of no where, that are just... weird, so weird I don't feel like sharing..

... After that, I've felt a little more confident, and the big emotions have been reduced.. I try to pray when I feel like this.. and I actually feel a little better... But sometimes my dreams!! man!!, i wake up all tired of dreaming sometimes really nasty stuff!! So if someone has an idea of how to keep these 'entities', 'ghosts' or 'demons' away, please let me or.. let us know!!...

Or at least, how can I bring good ghosts, or energies into my life, to scare away all these bad ones?... I know positive thinking is a way.. you attract what you think.. but if there is something to help a bit, that'd be great!

Hi Jessie1203
I'll attempt to addresse your questions as well as I can, if you'll bear with me



I attribute most of my fear to some presence that keeps bugging me at home.. I've always felt strong emotions.. fear, and sometimes images in my head.. scary images.. sometimes I don't even like to look at myself in the mirror... I feel like mirros can show certain things that we couldn't see normally (I've never actully seen anything, but still), I avoid them... I know its stupid and I'm not as obsessed about it as I may sound.. but I live alone now, (my dad just passed away) and the apt gets really dark, and I can't help these images in my head... I spend a LOT of time alone.. I don't go out.. don't have friends at the moment.. they're all back in my country




Let me start by saying, ghosts can not acutally hurt you. Ghosts can not effect physical matter.

A ghost can not pick up something and throw it across a room. So if we come to some agreement that ghosts exist, let us not get too frettfull about it.

For cases involving poltergiests please see colm kelleher and george knapp's "hunt for the skinwalker" book, briefly preluded on youtube here YouTube - Colm Kelleher : Skinwalker Ranch pt 1
Also, John Keel's "the mothman prophecies" YouTube - John Keel & Kenn Thomas Pt.1
As well as Carl Sagan's 4d explanation YouTube - Carl Sagan 4th Dimension Explanation


These folks with the exception of Mr. Sagan, document strange instances of "poltergiest" activity, but, don't attribute the acitivity to ghosts, but to something less easy to define, entities living like you and I, but of extra dimensional proportions, in access, being, and sensory capability.
Mr. Sagan gives an overview of what those beings would be like and what their relationship to us would be like from our point of view.

First off Jessie, you need to get some friends. Join a yoga class, go to a new age book store and sign up for every class/activity they have.
Take a college class or two. Take a dance class. Hang out at a local coffee shop (not a franchise) and read a book, and invite yourself into people's discussians,,,,(I'm guilty of this one, ). What about church? All kinds of Church's out there.

Now,,,, on to your comments. Yes, the things you are sensing in your home most likely are ghosts, dead people, those who have not moved on.

In my opinion, they are every where. I'll give you some pointers on how to lessen the effects and lower the traffic through your pad.

Contrary to popular belief, ghosts like people more than places. As such, the most haunted places are the places with the most people.

Ghosts do travel through walls, but they use the same spots repeatadly. These spots are lubricated, so to speak, with the human energy they have taken from people.

As such, if you smudge your walls with sage, cedar and sweetgrass, the lubrication is removed, creating a loss of energy for them when they want to travel through a wall, making your abode less attractive for them. Also, the more dense the material is they travel through, the greater the loss of human energy that they have taken from people is, so, marble tiles, cinder block etc, make wonderfull walls.
I have read animal skins serve as a non-conductive material as far as theses things go as well.

About the channelling dude, I just don't know what to say. In general, ghosts feed off energy, and they use emotional manipulation to get it. Some people may only be suceptable to it in thier dreams, others, may fall prey to it awake as well, as a heavy feeling, a perpetual dark cloud you can't get rid of, unexplained depression. I don't think ghosts ussually have any vandettas and I definatly don't think those vandettas carry over from past incarnations.


Here are a couple of pages with some stuff relating to what we are discussing that might help. Are the Extraterrestrials Who First Came to Earth Still Here?
and The Fourth Dimension: Astral MahaMaya

Good Luck Jessie1203, I hope things get better for you. Take care

Hey!, sorry for late reply.. I'm so busy at work, Thanks a lot for the info!, I'll watch the videos when I get home today..
Yeah, I never said they could actually hurt me physically, but they do annoy the crap out of me!! I'm very much into Astral Projection and stuff like that.. I have not been able to learn it very well yet, but I have done it a couple of times, and almost everytime I do, I can sense them. like they are around (never seen them, but I know they are there), and they sometimes spin me around, and i can get control over the experience.. I wake up all freaked out.. but I know physically we are in different places so they can't hurt me.. is just my dreams and stuff... although, lately it hasn't been that bad.. church? nah.. I hate the way church has twisted the old teachings. But I did join a few months ago the Hare Krishnas. I go every week to the temple I like it there, i have been feeling a lot better since i joined.. And I actually got ahead of your advice on joining goups! lol, After I wrote my last post I realized, I need to change. I joined a few groups and stuff

Thanks a lot for your insight..

As to what my friend, the channeling dude... he knows a lot of stuff.. he's from Brazil, that place is CROWDED with "magic" and stuff like that.. he says there is a witchcraft shop in every corner. Some, really bad, (i know this sounds fairy tale like, but, these people can actually ruin your life somehow... whatever it is that they do. it works).... He has also been to a lot of exorcisms.. and they used to channel for the spirit inside that person, according to him, the spirits would tell them why they were hurting that person.. the rage was SO big! for somethings that happened in previous lives.. that they wanted to see them suffer, and it was the reason why they would take over a persons body like that. and if the person is kinda weak, then.. no problem for the spirits to kinda take over. Karma. You choose how you pay your karma's..., Just like at work (silly example), everything we do has a consequence (weather good of bad), everything we do in life, has a consequence as well... as simple as that. Its not really about "paying" for what you do!... not like that, its more like, taking responsibility for your own conscious actions.

I will try a few things you said to try and take power away from them.. if somehow I could just let them know, that we could actually "work " together in peace, just coexist in the same environment, without the freaky stuff, I'd be cool with that .

I hope I didn't sound like a crazy person here I just feel like these things are real.... idk.

Thanks again

Originally Posted by TracyN

There is a phenomena out there called paradolia or "matrixing" which is simply nothing more than your brain trying to make sense of abstract images and perceptions. The brain likes to be able to make sense out of chaos so it creates a pattern that seems familiar. It's the reason why people can see Jesus on a piece of toast. :-) It is also highly susceptible to the power of suggestion. For instance I may just see a blob of color on the toast but when someone points out the image of Jesus I too will see Jesus. I have done open eyed meditation both in the dark and in the light and I have seen faces and other images but I have attributed it to matrixing or hypnagogic imagry.

Paradolia deals with the brain hability to form or construct patters out of abstract pictures, images or sounds, not out of thin air like you´re bedroom´s space. I do Vipassana and Red rose meditation...i see things. Real things. I had Hypnagogic allucinations. When i see things i cannot control their behavior, in allucinations i can, Big difference.

The fact is that people do differ in sensibility...Some are able to see things, others are not.
The only difference is that with real spiritual entities you cannot transform or manipulate them...their behavior is independent of your will. With allucinations you can influence, and with some control change their behavior and shape.

Hey!, sorry for late reply.. I'm so busy at work, Thanks a lot for the info!, I'll watch the videos when I get home today..
Yeah, I never said they could actually hurt me physically, but they do annoy the crap out of me!! I'm very much into Astral Projection and stuff like that.. I have not been able to learn it very well yet, but I have done it a couple of times, and almost everytime I do, I can sense them. like they are around (never seen them, but I know they are there), and they sometimes spin me around, and i can get control over the experience.. I wake up all freaked out.. but I know physically we are in different places so they can't hurt me.. is just my dreams and stuff... although, lately it hasn't been that bad.. church? nah.. I hate the way church has twisted the old teachings. But I did join a few months ago the Hare Krishnas. I go every week to the temple I like it there, i have been feeling a lot better since i joined.. And I actually got ahead of your advice on joining goups! lol, After I wrote my last post I realized, I need to change. I joined a few groups and stuff


Right on, whatever works for you. I only mentioned church as a common ground to meet people, but Hare Krishnas are fine too, whatever works for you. Right on with the groups too. We have all had points in our life when we were down, alone, depressed. I was lucky enough to meet new friends when that happened to me, and I met mine though school. So, whatever works.

Thanks a lot for your insight..
As to what my friend, the channeling dude... he knows a lot of stuff.. he's from Brazil, that place is CROWDED with "magic" and stuff like that.. he says there is a witchcraft shop in every corner. Some, really bad, (i know this sounds fairy tale like, but, these people can actually ruin your life somehow... whatever it is that they do. it works).... He has also been to a lot of exorcisms.. and they used to channel for the spirit inside that person, according to him, the spirits would tell them why they were hurting that person.. the rage was SO big! for somethings that happened in previous lives.. that they wanted to see them suffer, and it was the reason why they would take over a persons body like that. and if the person is kinda weak, then.. no problem for the spirits to kinda take over. Karma. You choose how you pay your karma's..., Just like at work (silly example), everything we do has a consequence (weather good of bad), everything we do in life, has a consequence as well... as simple as that. Its not really about "paying" for what you do!... not like that, its more like, taking responsibility for your own conscious actions.

Some of my favorite stuff has been channeled. The Seth material by Jane Roberts, The Michael Teachings written by Chelsea Quinn Yarbro, The Urantia book, Edger Cayce. But, I've also seen some stuff that looks kind of fraudulent out there, where some one is just looking to make a quick buck, or worse. So, I'm just saying, you got to be carefull is all.


I will try a few things you said to try and take power away from them.. if somehow I could just let them know, that we could actually "work " together in peace, just coexist in the same environment, without the freaky stuff, I'd be cool with that .

I hope I didn't sound like a crazy person here I just feel like these things are real.... idk.

Thanks again

Me too. I think it has a lot to do with the lack of spirituality in our living world, translates to people becoming confused spirits. I think it all ends the same anyway. I'm sure everyone eventually makes it across. Some just take longer than others.

Originally Posted by Surukien

The fact is that people do differ in sensibility...Some are able to see things, others are not.
The only difference is that with real spiritual entities you cannot transform or manipulate them...their behavior is independent of your will. With allucinations you can influence, and with some control change their behavior and shape.

I definately agree with you that people differ in sensitivity. I have used the technique of showing people ghosts in the dark(complete darkness), while giving the ghost energy through the palms of my hands (reiki esque) to make them more luminiscent, and some people never see anything, and some people to thier utter astonishment report seeing, without my prompting,, the same thing I ussually see (without focusing my third eye too much) , a reddish blob, traversing above us, swooshing around.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

I do open eye meditation I haven't seen ghosts yet tho, but I have noticed how they interfere into meditation very annoying.. just like in the song you linked it seems like these ghosts, or demons as I call them, know yourself better than you do. So they are able to keep you into a mental maze, even if you're aware if being in a maze.. very annoying! If you know more about these ghosts or demons let me hear!

I struggled for a bit when first seeing these things as to what they were. I wasn't really ruling anything out. I thought, and felt they were ghosts, but, I knew dang well I could be wrong. The thought of me being wrong in the defining of what I was seeing lent eerie posibilities as to what these things could be, LOL far more eerie than even the definition I had attributed to them, which being discarnate humans.

A strange event occured about six months after all this started that lent corroboration to my defining of the events.
The event was synchronistic, and I felt, a gift for a gift.

I was laying on my couch about six months after my above first mentioned incident, reading from Plato's Dialogues in the book Phaedo, when what I felt was an extremely strong ghost presense that entered the room.

I once again, don't advise people to do this, but I felt the impulse to give this entitiy energy. What ensued was a mental conversation(it took well over an hour) that ended up in this being crossing over (in my opinion). When this happened an opening of sorts appeared and (i know this sounds kinda crazy) my living room was flooded with pinkish astral light.

This astral light combined with the energy field that courses through all things, making the field that naturally surroundes everything, easier to see, more pronounced. In the field, I saw a still picuture. The picture was of a pretty thirty something latin lady with a Betty Page hair cut cought in mid laugh.

The picture stayed in the field of energy for like five minutes. I sensed a positive presense that had come through the portal to help in the transition process, and I felt the presense stating that this picture is no accident.

The next day I was looking through the classified adds looking at cars. I was looking to buy a used car, and as I flipped the classifieds the obituaries flopped open and there, staring back at me, was the exact same picture of the woman I had seen on my wall the night before.

I was floored. I could now take it to the bank that what I was seeing were in fact ghosts, and that sense of knowing for sure has helped me immensly.
I guess you could say I'm kinda slow.
I'm not saying that every spectral presense is a ghost, but I definatly think the majority of them are.

Originally Posted by DarkoMarco

I definately agree with you that people differ in sensitivity. I have used the technique of showing people ghosts in the dark(complete darkness), while giving the ghost energy through the palms of my hands (reiki esque) to make them more luminiscent, and some people never see anything, and some people to thier utter astonishment report seeing, without my prompting,, the same thing I ussually see (without focusing my third eye too much) , a reddish blob, traversing above us, swooshing around.

Your technique is very very interesting...you might have energy skills...have you developed them? (i noticed the reference to reiki)....

Originally Posted by Surukien

Your technique is very very interesting...you might have energy skills...have you developed them? (i noticed the reference to reiki)....

My energy output is average my friend, very average. It does not take very much energy to enhance the visual aspects of these beings. I wish I could quote you the exact book and page number, but I remember in one of Carlos Castaneda books, he mentions and I'll quote from memory here "Man kind is not afraid of the dark because he can not see in it, it is what he can see that makes mankind afraid of the dark". So, I will reiterate here, complete darkness, and I mean complete darkness helps a lot in seeing these beings.

I have a personal experience to share too. I think it sorta makes the whole idea of ghosts and nightmares even more complex. Have you heard of tulpas? When I was little I saw an anime that created strong emotions in me.

That night I had a nightmare. The only nightmare to this day I can't remember.

I was only around 8, but I was already dream journaling. When I woke up the only thing I remembered was the sound of my voice screaming. It actually took me a few moments to realize the scream I am hearing is MY voice! The memory of the nightmare instantly disappeared from me! Darkness. That's all I remember. That day I knew something unusual happened. And I knew without question it had something to do with the strong emotions of the anime.

I was haunted. On one level I actually really liked the anime.On the other, I was afraid of it. I thought I was just being a silly 8 year old so I watched the anime again, and again to conquer my fear of it. But each viewing was only worse than the previous!

The strong emotions actually set in AFTER watching the movie. My thoughts become frantic, I feel sick, I can't sleep, I become depressed. I didn't understand. I just thought I was obsessive and weird. As a teenager I met other anime fans. I found out most of them are HAPPY to watch their favorite anime. How do I tell them, I call this anime my favorite because its in my head. But it doesnt make me happy, and I don't actually like it. Actually, I AVOID watching it.

There was another layer to my problem. If I become depressed, upset, or just overly emotional - the anime and the characters are there in my head. Making the strong emotions and the anime one - inseparable.

This relationship made me question...which comes first? Thinking about the anime, or the emotions? And if the emotions come first, then where are they coming from, if I wasn't thinking about the anime? I started to suspect that maybe, neither the thoughts of the anime or the emotions originate from my being. One night confirmed my suspicion.

I was laying down to sleep. I felt fine! Really I felt fine. But suddenly I get this strong intuitive feeling. And I say to myself "I'm about to be attacked!". I feel it descend on me. I instantly felt like I was sinking, lower, lower, drowning. I was drowning in despair, hopelessness. It took over my entire body and I had no strength to fight it. And the anime characters were there, saying horrible things, projecting thoughts and imagery that only made me more depressed.

I knew that morning it wasn't just my head. I knew that I had just been attacked by an entity.

I thought of my nightmare from when I was 8, and I became deeply concerned that something happened to me that night. I started to wonder if the millions of fans over the past two decades have created so much energy, that tulpas of the characters are running around in the etheric. Lifeless, energy sucking demons.

The night I fell asleep deeply wanting an answer. I dream about a man communicating with God. His wife tells them that she believes we need to pay attention to all the small signs and subtlety, or we will miss Gods message. A light bulb went off in my head! God's communicating to me right now!

In my dream I ask God "Take me back to my childhood, show me the nightmare I can't remember"

Instantly I fall into paralysis. A vortex opens up above me, and I am zooming towards it! I knew on the other side was the memory of the nightmare I can't remember. The missing puzzle!

Suddenly two dark beings pull me down, threaten me, their voices the most demonic I've ever heard. They pin me down. I can't breathe. The vortex is still there. I wake up.

I woke up terrified because, it was two demons. And the anime has two main characters. Two characters that plague me if I get emotionally upset. Two. Two. And two.

I felt disgusted at the thought that all these years, what I thought was just my imagination, was not. That I was interacting with two entities, abusing me emotionally. I still can't remember the nightmare.

If I sense the onset of a neg attack, I just direct my attention else where and it goes away. That's how I know these emotions are alien and not of myself, or I wouldn't be able to deny them so easily. And I know because by contrast I have emotions I can't deny. If I try to deny them they only intensify. I find these emotions that I can't deny, only try to lead me to a greater sense of happiness. Stark contrast compared to the neg attack!

Originally Posted by DarkoMarco

"Man kind is not afraid of the dark because he can not see in it, it is what he can see that makes mankind afraid of the dark".

It's so true!! If you're in bed and suddenly afraid of your dark room. What do you do? You hide under your sheets and close your eyes, as if that's any brighter.

I have a personal experience to share too. I think it sorta makes the whole idea of ghosts and nightmares even more complex. Have you heard of tulpas? When I was little I saw an anime that created strong emotions in me.

Juroara

I’m familiar with them. John Keel discusses the idea in his book “visitors from space”. He discusses author Walter Gibson, and how he spent years in a house in Greenwich Village penning his novels about the character known as “The Shadow”.
The thing was, years after Gibson had moved out, occupants reported seeing a man in a black cape and a broad rimmed black hat, a phantom like figure, this figure appeared ghost like by all accounts. Keel suggested that Gibson’s intense concentration in creating the character had manifested a tulpa, and that the thousands of readers acted in concert to maintain the thing.

Though, I’m familiar with the concept of tulpas, I am not knowingly familiar with the application of them. The example I just gave sounds cut and dry in the extant that the Shadow came from the imagination of the prolific writer.
But what if it didn’t.

Have you ever seen the movie “Monsters Inc.”? It’s a great kids movie. I’m still to this day impressed by it. The movie depicts monsters in an alternate dimension that haunt the bedrooms of children in order to take energy from the kids by scaring them. This energy they take then maintains the “city” they have in their alternate dimension.

I’m struck by the not so subtle symbolism here, and how it relates with what I have seen.

Ghosts from what I have seen, leave energy like residue in places they frequent. This residue is usually placed strategically, in the view of a would be sleeper. The residue is pliable and malleable and extremely shape sensitive to the imagination of anyone who sees it. In other words, what ever is in your imagination at the present time, will affect this substance. It also acts as a web does to a spider, in the sense that the ghost, who left it, will feel a subtle vibration from it, and come a calling.

I remember being a kid, and seeing things in the dark, things playing out. I can recall many times as a kid this playing out, and I spent many, many nights rapped tightly in my blankets with my head under the cover, not knowing why, but feeling as if there was a vampire trying to nibble on me.

Whatever was playing out in the substance, the ghost, when he arrives via the vibration in his spider web, will know. And even if this wasn’t the case, ghosts are telepathic by nature anyway, and can read your mind. So whatever a ghost can find in your mind and emotions to more embody, they will manifest so in which to affect you.

So, in relation to John Keel’s “The Shadow” example, I’m sure the occupants of the house, knew about the famous author who used to live there, and as such, with that character so fresh in their minds the ghosts had something to work with, as well with the pliable energy webs they leave behind.

I’m not saying there are not tulpas, or other strange phantasmological phenomenon out there, I’m not saying that. There definatly are definatly some weirder stuff out there than simply ghosts, but, I gotta say, a lot of it is ghosts.

It has been my experience that, ghosts are everywhere, almost, all the time. And their favorite time to visit us, is in our beds. As such, when I hear an example such as this, it is hard for me not to lay it at there feet.

You could be right though, it could be a tulpa of your own imagining, or the collective imagining of everyone who has seen the anime movie you are referring to. The same energy ghosts leave behind as imagination traps could be molded into one of these tulpas, and who knows where that comes from.

I was only around 8, but I was already dream journaling. When I woke up the only thing I remembered was the sound of my voice screaming. It actually took me a few moments to realize the scream I am hearing is MY voice! The memory of the nightmare instantly disappeared from me! Darkness. That's all I remember. That day I knew something unusual happened. And I knew without question it had something to do with the strong emotions of the anime.
I was haunted. On one level I actually really liked the anime.On the other, I was afraid of it. I thought I was just being a silly 8 year old so I watched the anime again, and again to conquer my fear of it. But each viewing was only worse than the previous! The strong emotions actually set in AFTER watching the movie. My thoughts become frantic, I feel sick, I can't sleep, I become depressed. I didn't understand. I just thought I was obsessive and weird. As a teenager I met other anime fans. I found out most of them are HAPPY to watch their favorite anime. How do I tell them, I call this anime my favorite because its in my head. But it doesnt make me happy, and I don't actually like it. Actually, I AVOID watching it.
There was another layer to my problem. If I become depressed, upset, or just overly emotional - the anime and the characters are there in my head. Making the strong emotions and the anime one - inseparable.This relationship made me question...which comes first? Thinking about the anime, or the emotions? And if the emotions come first, then where are they coming from, if I wasn't thinking about the anime? I started to suspect that maybe, neither the thoughts of the anime or the emotions originate from my being. One night confirmed my suspicion.

Juroara

You wanna hear something weird? When I was 8 I had pretty much the same thing happen to me.
My movie, and though you didn’t tell me yours (shame, shame on you ) was “Flash Gordon”. The one where Queen sings the song, “Flash,,,ahhh ahhhh, defender of the universe”. With the exception that I remember my dream. I’m going to tell it, so that I can give you an example of what I think was a ghost inspired “Old Hag Syndrome” nightmare.

This is the scariest dream I’ve ever had, and I remember it like it was yesterday.

The evil character from Flash Gordon “Ming the Merciless” complete with black winged cape, black coif on his bald head, and Anton LaVey eyebrows and facial hair arrives on earth in a giant shark shaped space ship (say that five times fast ). He shows up to earth and offers a proposition. That everyone immediately surrender, or face the consequences. The consequences being that you will be shot by an energy beam laser gun that will kill you the cruelest way known in the galaxy. You will be morphed into only your brain, which gains in size in proportion to the over all mass of your body, you are then placed inside of a energy field that causes time to stand still for you, you then suffer the most excruciating pain for what seems like 100 years, while witnesses to what is happening only see you pulsate in pain for a few seconds as a big brain and die.

This was extremely scary to see, as a little kid, and I saw everyone I know eventually die like this in my dream. I was part of the resistance. The rest of the resistance still fighting with me was the cast of the animated Saturday morning cartoon “Godzilla” minus Godzilla and Godzookie, bummer, they would have helped immensely J.

Ming the merciless had a legion of minions, and they all were hunting me though the whole dream. After the last person I knew died, I was running down an alley adjacent to my “real” house at the time. I had evaded Ming’s minions, only to be overtaken by a large black raven. The raven flew from behind me over my right shoulder over taking me, landed in front of me, morphing into Ming the merciless, who then shot me with the afore mentioned energy weapon, killing me the cruelest way known in the galaxy. I then morphed into a brain, began pulsating, and woke up screaming as loud as my lungs would scream.

The reason I mention this, is because, the apartment I lived in at the time was considered haunted. I felt like it was haunted and my mother reported strange occurrences as well. It didn’t help any, that the building maintenance man befriended my mother and informed her that, the man who had the apartment prior to us had been shot in the kitchen.

Now, I was just a kid, and as such this could have been just a bad dream. It didn’t haunt me persay like your dream haunted your thoughts in the waking world,,,but, it stayed with me through all these years, and I remember it to this very day.

I was laying down to sleep. I felt fine! Really I felt fine. But suddenly I get this strong intuitive feeling. And I say to myself "I'm about to be attacked!". I feel it descend on me. I instantly felt like I was sinking, lower, lower, drowning. I was drowning in despair, hopelessness. It took over my entire body and I had no strength to fight it. And the anime characters were there, saying horrible things, projecting thoughts and imagery that only made me more depressed.
I knew that morning it wasn't just my head. I knew that I had just been attacked by an entity.I thought of my nightmare from when I was 8, and I became deeply concerned that something happened to me that night. I started to wonder if the millions of fans over the past two decades have created so much energy, that tulpas of the characters are running around in the etheric. Lifeless, energy sucking demons.

juroara

You could be right, I mean, the “Monsters Inc” movie metaphor could work here as well.

The night I fell asleep deeply wanting an answer. I dream about a man communicating with God. His wife tells them that she believes we need to pay attention to all the small signs and subtlety, or we will miss Gods message. A light bulb went off in my head! God's communicating to me right now!
In my dream I ask God "Take me back to my childhood, show me the nightmare I can't remember"Instantly I fall into paralysis. A vortex opens up above me, and I am zooming towards it! I knew on the other side was the memory of the nightmare I can't remember. The missing puzzle!Suddenly two dark beings pull me down, threaten me, their voices the most demonic I've ever heard. They pin me down. I can't breathe. The vortex is still there. I wake up.I woke up terrified because, it was two demons. And the anime has two main characters. Two characters that plague me if I get emotionally upset. Two. Two. And two.

juroara

To this, I have to open up another level or description to enhance or muddy our discussion, I really don’t know which it will do.

I have witnessed two types of ghosts. I don’t usually mention this, because it’s hard enough to get into this discussion and not lose it in a tangent, and this is what I feel I’m risking here, but, from what you are saying, it is so applicable, I have to go ahead and mention it.

I have witnessed two types of ghosts.

1. The first appear in my front vision, they appear at first to be amorphous blobs of energy, usually reddish in color. Upon entering into a state of stilled mind and focusing, I see a form of a human, usually a torso, a waist, shoulders, and the outline of a head. The head has contours and shape but no face. The head always, and I mean always had a red sphere inside of it. The sphere is small, appears in the same spot that Hindu’s wear the red dot on their fore head, and is inside the head, floating fixed in the middle of the head.
These beings for the most part do as they will, and feel no need to answer to anybody.
These are by far the most common type of ghost, and account for 99.9% of the ghosts I have seen.


2. The second appear in my side vision. They appear to be black silhouettes in human form. Upon entering into a state of stilled mind and focusing, I can see the form clearly of a human being, but only out of the corner of my eye. I can shift my head back and forth and keep the being in sight. I do no recall the red dot inside the head.
I worked my tail off attempting to cross one over one time. I did not succeed in the manner I am accustomed to.

These beings do the bidding of entities they consider above themselves, there is fear and apprehension on their part when entertaining the notion of leaving the system they are in, and I am struck by the idea of a pyramid scheme when looking at the system they are a part of.
They survive on being a parasite, and they themselves are parasitized. It’s like a mafia thing, a raquitering operation of beings who refuse to cross over. I say refuse to cross over, because I’m pretty sure they are deceased humans, but I haven’t had enough experience to know for sure. Could they be tulpas, creations somewhat in the over all form of humans?
It would definatly correspond to the original concept of “The Shadow”, as mentioned earlier and would fit in the classification of “Shadow People” that have been discussed at length by others.

I felt disgusted at the thought that all these years, what I thought was just my imagination, was not. That I was interacting with two entities, abusing me emotionally. I still can't remember the nightmare.If I sense the onset of a neg attack, I just direct my attention else where and it goes away. That's how I know these emotions are alien and not of myself, or I wouldn't be able to deny them so easily. And I know because by contrast I have emotions I can't deny. If I try to deny them they only intensify. I find these emotions that I can't deny, only try to lead me to a greater sense of happiness. Stark contrast compared to the neg attack!

juroara

Well this is the most important part. I’m glad the attacks are defendable and defeatable by you. I have gotten into this discussion before with people who sound so much more victimized that it makes me heartsick. So, I’m glad you were able to conquer your demons so to speak so well.

Originally Posted by DarkoMarco

Let me start by saying, ghosts can not acutally hurt you. Ghosts can not effect physical matter.

To each their own beliefs. However, I will interject an opposing opinion on this.

The Dine believe that Ghosts most certainly DO hurt you and are to be avoided at all costs.

As has been mentioned in other posts in this thread, Ghosts require energy and they get this energy from the environment around them. People are a great source of energy for Ghosts to "feed" upon.

Everything that we are - all "matter" in fact - is a reflection or "symptom" of some energy signature. Therefore, when a Ghost feeds on one's energy, there is a resultant effect in the physical manifestation of that energy, ie. one's tonal body.

Prolonged contact with Ghosts without proper precautions or protection will result in physical illness.

Playing with Ghosts is like playing with Uranium: You don't know how dangerous it is until the symptoms appear. By then, it's too late.

We are all free to make our own choices. If one wishes to jump in front of a bus, that is their option. However, one should know that a bus can very easily kill you if DO jump in front of it. Knowing that may give some people pause in doing so.

Hecetu yelo.

Originally Posted by saxonharp

To each their own beliefs. However, I will interject an opposing opinion on this.The Dine believe that Ghosts most certainly DO hurt you and are to be avoided at all costs.As has been mentioned in other posts in this thread, Ghosts require energy and they get this energy from the environment around them. People are a great source of energy for Ghosts to "feed" upon.
Everything that we are - all "matter" in fact - is a reflection or "symptom" of some energy signature. Therefore, when a Ghost feeds on one's energy, there is a resultant effect in the physical manifestation of that energy, ie. one's tonal body.
Prolonged contact with Ghosts without proper precautions or protection will result in physical illness.Playing with Ghosts is like playing with Uranium: You don't know how dangerous it is until the symptoms appear. By then, it's too late.
We are all free to make our own choices. If one wishes to jump in front of a bus, that is their option. However, one should know that a bus can very easily kill you if DO jump in front of it. Knowing that may give some people pause in doing so.
Hecetu yelo.

I don't agree with the severity of your metaphor. Ghosts draining your energy and radiation poisoning are not synonomous.

Originally Posted by DarkoMarco

I don't agree with the severity of your metaphor. Ghosts draining your energy and radiation poisoning are not synonomous.

You are free to disagree. My comment was based on personal experience and the experiences of those far wiser than I for whom I hold great regard and trust.

What is the foundation of your disagreement, if I may ask?

Originally Posted by saxonharp

You are free to disagree. My comment was based on personal experience and the experiences of those far wiser than I for whom I hold great regard and trust.

What is the foundation of your disagreement, if I may ask?

I would like to ask what "The Dine" are, I've never heard of them. They sound like they have read the Tibetan book of the dead.

The beliefs you attribute to them in regards of ghosts being parasitic in nature I agree with absolutely. If you read some of my other posts in this thread, you will see those are my own beliefs.

I just have to say, that if what you are stating is true, people would be dropping like flies all the time.
Ghosts are everywhere, all the time, feeding on those who have been born without proper shielding.
Myself included in that group.

I could speculate as to why I don't have proper shielding, and others, but, I don't know for sure.
Am I inherintly broken? I don't think so.
My youth is no more traumatic than most and a lot less than many.
I personally think it is a purposefull configuration,,,a clause in the dynamics of reincarnation,,,,,,we all are born this way in one life time or another.
And I think it is just as likely that I have been a ghost at one point or another who fed on others with the same configuration I have now.
I think it's like we take turns operating the light house so to speak, to help guide folks to safety though thier ghost expierience

Originally Posted by juroara

I was only around 8, but I was already dream journaling. When I woke up the only thing I remembered was the sound of my voice screaming. It actually took me a few moments to realize the scream I am hearing is MY voice! The memory of the nightmare instantly disappeared from me! Darkness. That's all I remember. That day I knew something unusual happened. And I knew without question it had something to do with the strong emotions of the anime.

When I was in my early teens I remember after waking up going into the living room, my mother and father asked me what all the screaming was about. I was a little perplexed and asked them what they where on about. Seemingly I was shouting out in the night “Oh God!” and ”Oh my God!”, the weird thing is for something that put so much fear into me to the extent I was shouting out in my sleep, I have no memory of it, in fact I believed that I had a very restful sleep that night. Usually if you have a nightmare, even if you cant remember it you still have that feeling that you had one. So I cant say if it was a ghost or not but its something to add to the mix.

DarkoMarco, I can believe that meditating may allow you to see apparitions. In fact most of the traditional meditation methods warn that when you get to a certain level in the practice, you may see and hear such things as spirits, deities and demons. I dont think I would give them my energy though

Now seeing that we are discussing ghosts and such, here is something which I don't know if others have any experience of and that's a poltergeist in a dream. Its happened to me 3 times from what I can remember. In all cases I did not see any ghost or spirit, but I certainty felt them and I have say that I experienced such fear and pressure in the dream that it immobilized me. First dream was in a very old grave yard, very vivid overgrown the with heavy green lichen over the gravestones I was drawn to particular grave where I felt an entity then I felt fear and then it blanked out. The other was at a grave vault near a ruined castle located on a hill(this site seemed to be open to the public), in that instance I could tell it was a very frighting male entity, extremely violent. And the last was in an old large house where certain rooms where haunted, but specifically one room on the lower floor or basement had such an entity in it that it still gives me goosebumps thinking about it. Well I'm mentioning this because there is a belief that ghost can enter your dreams. And I thought it was interesting because I almost never have any nightmares but in all 3 occasions the experience scared me shitless .

Hi all, I found a fool proof way to get rid of the ghost, the old had syndrom, the demon that sits on your chest.

Before you go to sleep, what it does is hypnotize you into a trance, into it's dream. What you need to do, is fall asleep, and put on a "killing intent". Ok I know this sounds really really weird, but if you pull up a killing intent, you will no longer be influenced by this hypnotizing, and you can enter a WILD just like that. Why WILD's are so hard is because of these lame ghosts trying to get you into their dream instead.

Basically, I'm convinced, that if you fall asleep, without WILDing, it means you do not fall asleep, but the ghost has hypnotized you into feignting and you end up in his dream. WILD is the natural way to go to sleep. If you don't go to sleep that way, you are being possessed by a demon. Think about it, why else would it be so hard to WILD? How could something as simply as dreaming, be so hard? Because of these lame motherfucking ghosts. just need to put on a killing intent.. desire them death. for some really weird reason, this works and it allows me straight into a WILD with no hassle at all. It is only when I accept this demon theory, that WILDing works. Weird shit indeed. Maybe putting on another intent will work better for you like ignoring all the voices intent or whatever.. just need to know that something is trying to prevent you from WILDing.. each night.

Originally Posted by linz2d

When I was in my early teens I remember after waking up going into the living room, my mother and father asked me what all the screaming was about. I was a little perplexed and asked them what they where on about. Seemingly I was shouting out in the night “Oh God!” and ”Oh my God!”, the weird thing is for something that put so much fear into me to the extent I was shouting out in my sleep, I have no memory of it, in fact I believed that I had a very restful sleep that night. Usually if you have a nightmare, even if you cant remember it you still have that feeling that you had one. So I cant say if it was a ghost or not but its something to add to the mix.

DarkoMarco, I can believe that meditating may allow you to see apparitions. In fact most of the traditional meditation methods warn that when you get to a certain level in the practice, you may see and hear such things as spirits, deities and demons. I dont think I would give them my energy though

Now seeing that we are discussing ghosts and such, here is something which I don't know if others have any experience of and that's a poltergeist in a dream. Its happened to me 3 times from what I can remember. In all cases I did not see any ghost or spirit, but I certainty felt them and I have say that I experienced such fear and pressure in the dream that it immobilized me. First dream was in a very old grave yard, very vivid overgrown the with heavy green lichen over the gravestones I was drawn to particular grave where I felt an entity then I felt fear and then it blanked out. The other was at a grave vault near a ruined castle located on a hill(this site seemed to be open to the public), in that instance I could tell it was a very frighting male entity, extremely violent. And the last was in an old large house where certain rooms where haunted, but specifically one room on the lower floor or basement had such an entity in it that it still gives me goosebumps thinking about it. Well I'm mentioning this because there is a belief that ghost can enter your dreams. And I thought it was interesting because I almost never have any nightmares but in all 3 occasions the experience scared me shitless .

I found your dreams quite interesting. I absolutely believe ghosts can enter your dreams.
I find it strange that the ghost only hinted at a haunting in your dreams and didn't just scare the crap outta you with a full manifestation.
Depends on the ghost.
Some use fear,,,,calm fear,,,,,some use terror,,,,,some use affection, some use sex. That is why we get the succubai and succubis tales

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Hi all, I found a fool proof way to get rid of the ghost, the old had syndrom, the demon that sits on your chest.

Before you go to sleep, what it does is hypnotize you into a trance, into it's dream. What you need to do, is fall asleep, and put on a "killing intent". Ok I know this sounds really really weird, but if you pull up a killing intent, you will no longer be influenced by this hypnotizing, and you can enter a WILD just like that. Why WILD's are so hard is because of these lame ghosts trying to get you into their dream instead.

Basically, I'm convinced, that if you fall asleep, without WILDing, it means you do not fall asleep, but the ghost has hypnotized you into feignting and you end up in his dream. WILD is the natural way to go to sleep. If you don't go to sleep that way, you are being possessed by a demon. Think about it, why else would it be so hard to WILD? How could something as simply as dreaming, be so hard? Because of these lame motherfucking ghosts. just need to put on a killing intent.. desire them death. for some really weird reason, this works and it allows me straight into a WILD with no hassle at all. It is only when I accept this demon theory, that WILDing works. Weird shit indeed. Maybe putting on another intent will work better for you like ignoring all the voices intent or whatever.. just need to know that something is trying to prevent you from WILDing.. each night.

I like your idea that the ghost or demon in your case,,which,,,,let's agree to disagree,,,,,I still think it is a ghost,,,,pulls you into their dream,,,,,,interesting.
I'm trying to get better at the WILD myself.
I believe in a dream plane per se,,,,,the astral plane where anyone can go,,,,but,,,,,if you don't know your dreaming,,,,and the ghost does,,,,well,,,,,,you are going to be at a disadvatage for sure.