I've heard and learned a lot about this subject and i wanted to know some of peoples actual experiences, or thoughts on it, and if they did AP where did they go :?:
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I've heard and learned a lot about this subject and i wanted to know some of peoples actual experiences, or thoughts on it, and if they did AP where did they go :?:
Astral projection is just a lucid dream where you're deluding yourself that you're astral projecting because you think its so exciting and cool and you really really wanna believe it so to you its so real but you forget the fact that you used the exact same method to 'astral project/OBE' as you would induce a LD (yes there's minor differences but at the base it is WILD) but you expect it to be an OBE, and as we all know if you expect something to happen in an LD, it will... dont think about scary monsters becasue they WILL show up in your LD if you think about them, and dont think about the whole silver cord thing that you read on a website because you WILL see it ... just like the monsters because you expect to see it.
Well, yes. In my opinon Astral Projection is basically everything CT's said - an lucid dream/part delusion/part mistake. There's a bunch of websites that claim with passion the exsistence of this, and no proof to back it up with except perhaps some "experiences" or "scientists" saying it's real. Be careful with this, and at the very least don't start believing it to be true yet. Take your time with it - letting some website or guy say it's real isn't good enough.
But, there have been so many cases of ppl AP'ing and witnessing real time events that actually took place. And what would happen if this was proven to you?
Okay. To start off, I'm going to need to see these numerous cases for them to influence my opinon, for better or worse, and so I can comment on them.
Are those cases well documented, did they follow clear procedures so you can outrule everything else, the only conclusion possible beeing that it has to be AP?
Or are they stories you heard from people, 'testimonies' on websites, etc? These hold no value at all if you're gonna use it in an argument... People believe in weird stupid shit you know, from 'evil spirits' to 'earth creatures' and all that.
Astral Projection is far more easier to do then induce a lucid dream. And its also has a realistic quality to it. Lucid dreams are empty. Astral Plane is full of life. And WILDs usually can't be done before bed, but astral projection usually always is done at this time. Enough said.
Hmmmm.... I wonder who the people are that said that they
have astral projected...
Yeah! That is just told I think to scare people, & make them have nightmares. Also, I am too scared to do it, but I am not scared of doing Sci-fis http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic....t=13063&start=0 :D
omg kaniaz u odnt believe in psionics -_- y cant you belive all i is is just energy given up to do another task (hard task :lol:)
And which task would this be....? :?Quote:
Originally posted by Dual Wielder
omg kaniaz u odnt believe in psionics -_- y cant you belive all i is is just energy given up to do another task (hard task :lol:)
what do you think? -_- astral projection is also linked to energy which everything is but you must give up a bit of yours to do this... which makes people frustrated during the practices of psionics... BEACUASE THEY HAVE NO PROOF OR SEEN IT! unless you try it urself like i did and wht i think to have happend but im still a BIG SKEPTIC!
Well, Excuse me! I happen to be thanatophobic, so that's why I don't bother to do it!! I would much rather stay in my dreams, or have a sci-fi (an FA & Realistic WILD seen in my DJ).
if I wasn't so skeptical I could say I've done it, but it's all just a dream to me.
one freaky thing that did happen to me is I swore I was awake and I fell asleep right well reading still concious
Yeah! That's happened to me b4. One time, I was struggling to keep awake in class, when I suddenly started having a weird dream that I flew out of the school (okay, & during a sci-fi, I will not respond to comments, at least not in real life). I talked w/Uncle Grant, & flew back to school & to my desk, b/c I thought I was sluffing! :lol:Quote:
Originally posted by LucidDreamGod
if I wasn't so skeptical I could say I've done it, but it's all just a dream to me.
one freaky thing that did happen to me is I swore I was awake and I fell asleep right well reading still concious
Well, my class told me that I practically fainted during that time, & they could not wake me up. Yes & at 1st, I could have sworn that I was awake!!
And now in English?Quote:
Originally posted by Dual Wielder
omg kaniaz u odnt believe in psionics -_- y cant you belive all i is is just energy given up to do another task (hard task :lol:)
You are sure funny!! :lol: , but not as funny as when Cody completely freaks out after gazing at his duplicate, or when he shows me his extended pink sash, like I show him my blue one :lol: !Quote:
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omg kaniaz u odnt believe in psionics -_- y cant you belive all i is is just energy given up to do another task (hard task :lol:)
I believe this occasion is perfect for reminding you that you are extremely, extremely annoying when you pull stuff out of your "scifi" and other experiences which have nothing to do with the topic.Quote:
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You are sure funny!! :lol: , but not as funny as when Cody completely freaks out after gazing at his duplicate, or when he shows me his extended pink sash, like I show him my blue one :lol: ![/b]Quote:
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omg kaniaz u odnt believe in psionics -_- y cant you belive all i is is just energy given up to do another task (hard task :lol:)
And now in English?
How about NOT TALKING about your scifi's? Next time you are about to write something about your scifi - don't.
I believe this occasion is perfect for reminding you that you are extremely, extremely annoying when you pull stuff out of your \"scifi\" and other experiences which have nothing to do with the topic.Quote:
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You are sure funny!! :lol: , but not as funny as when Cody completely freaks out after gazing at his duplicate, or when he shows me his extended pink sash, like I show him my blue one :lol: ![/b]Quote:
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omg kaniaz u odnt believe in psionics -_- y cant you belive all i is is just energy given up to do another task (hard task :lol:)
And now in English?
How about NOT TALKING about your scifi's? Next time you are about to write something about your scifi - don't.[/b][/quote]
What....what is so bad about them??? Or is it me? :(
you seem to have alot of intresting experiences, if you don't mind, I would like to learn more about sci-fi's, what are they?Quote:
Originally posted by nesgirl119+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nesgirl119)</div>Quote:
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Yeah! That's happened to me b4. One time, I was struggling to keep awake in class, when I suddenly started having a weird dream that I flew out of the school (okay, & during a sci-fi, I will not respond to comments, at least not in real life). I talked w/Uncle Grant, & flew back to school & to my desk, b/c I thought I was sluffing! :lol:Quote:
if I wasn't so skeptical I could say I've done it, but it's all just a dream to me.
one freaky thing that did happen to me is I swore I was awake and I fell asleep right well reading still concious
Well, my class told me that I practically fainted during that time, & they could not wake me up. Yes & at 1st, I could have sworn that I was awake!![/b]
Well, Dr. Robert Monroe did experiments at the Monroe Institute which were rather interesting. He had people who claimed to be able to OBE and had a random 8-digit number in another room or in a part of the room impossible for the person to see. I believe it was over a thousand cases where the people came back with the correct 8-digit number or the 8-digit number in reverse. I'm still skeptical about the whole thing, but I figured I'd bring that study up.
On a side note: Nesgirl, don't mind Wicked. It's fine for you to bring up your experiences. :)
Well if you seriously want to find out about them (sci-fis), or post about them: http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic....t=13063&start=0Quote:
Originally posted by Gothlark
Well, Dr. Robert Monroe did experiments at the Monroe Institute which were rather interesting. He had people who claimed to be able to OBE and had a random 8-digit number in another room or in a part of the room impossible for the person to see. I believe it was over a thousand cases where the people came back with the correct 8-digit number or the 8-digit number in reverse. I'm still skeptical about the whole thing, but I figured I'd bring that study up.
On a side note: Nesgirl, don't mind Wicked. It's fine for you to bring up your experiences. :)
Talking about your experiences is fine and dandy, as long as you don't fill EVERY SINGLE POST with them. That's just spamming. I have nothing against your experiences Nesgirl, but I think that if I start to talk about a single thing every time I post, people will soon get tired of it and find it boring.
To each their own, Wicked. :) I think that her experiences are rather interesting, and I didn't really notice her bringing them up too often.
Thanx for standing up for me! :DQuote:
Originally posted by Gothlark
To each their own, Wicked. I find that she doesn't bring it up too often. :)
It's no problem, Nesgirl. :) But let's not let this turn into another one-on-one discussion thing. If you'd like to comment on this, put that in the seneseless thread too. :lol:
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Originally posted by Gothlark
It's no problem, Nesgirl. :) But let's not let this turn into another one-on-one discussion thing. If you'd like to comment on this, put that in the seneseless thread too. :lol:
The out of Body people only need to prove it once, no? Well, take a look at this Page:
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/skeptic03.html
Here are a few of the highlights:
Michael Sabom, M.D, conducted an excellent study of OBE among experiencers. Dr. Sabom identified a group of thirty-two patients who had a cardiac arrest, experienced a NDE, and visualized their own resuscitation efforts during the OBE stage of their NDE. He found a group of twenty-three patients who had a cardiac arrest and did not have a NDE. Both groups were asked to describe their resuscitation. The NDE group was uniformly accurate, including correctly recalling readings on medical machines outside their potential line of vision. Twenty of the twenty-three patients who did not have a NDE were highly inaccurate in describing their resuscitation. This is verifiable and potentially reproducible validation of the OBE component of the NDE.
Dr. Charles Tart was experimenting with a subject who would have spontaneous out-of-body experiences. A remote five-digit number was placed out of view of the subject. She had an out-of-body experience and successfully read the five-digit number. The subject was then able to return to her body and successfully tell Dr. Tart what the number is. This provides strong circumstantial evidence that consciousness can transcend the physical body.
See?! They only occur during NDEs, so that proves it!! Also, it is highly possible to dream about something realistic, like in a sci-fi! :DQuote:
Originally posted by Leo Volont
The out of Body people only need to prove it once, no? Well, take a look at this Page:
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/skeptic03.html
Here are a few of the highlights:
Michael Sabom, M.D, conducted an excellent study of OBE among experiencers. Dr. Sabom identified a group of thirty-two patients who had a cardiac arrest, experienced a NDE, and visualized their own resuscitation efforts during the OBE stage of their NDE. He found a group of twenty-three patients who had a cardiac arrest and did not have a NDE. Both groups were asked to describe their resuscitation. The NDE group was uniformly accurate, including correctly recalling readings on medical machines outside their potential line of vision. Twenty of the twenty-three patients who did not have a NDE were highly inaccurate in describing their resuscitation. This is verifiable and potentially reproducible validation of the OBE component of the NDE.
Dr. Charles Tart was experimenting with a subject who would have spontaneous out-of-body experiences. A remote five-digit number was placed out of view of the subject. She had an out-of-body experience and successfully read the five-digit number. The subject was then able to return to her body and successfully tell Dr. Tart what the number is. This provides strong circumstantial evidence that consciousness can transcend the physical body.
It's quite possible that the development of concious OBE's and other hyper-psychic abilities is and the public acknowledgement of the reality of such is a next step in human evolution.
Ugghh! You still think that my sci-fis are only dreams, right?? :shock:Quote:
Originally posted by Berserk_Exodus
It's quite possible that the development of concious OBE's and other hyper-psychic abilities is and the public acknowledgement of the reality of such is a next step in human evolution.
Sorry to be such a grouch but could you talk about something other than your "scifis", please?
Already have a place: http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic....=13063&start=45. So I'll be there! :-PQuote:
Originally posted by Kaniaz
Sorry to be such a grouch but could you talk about something other than your \"scifis\", please?
God! Read the whole quote -- Dr. Charles Tart demonstrated with a non dead person that the perceptive capabilities attributable to OBE's is possible. I guess I now understand why not everybody maxs out their SAT's -- the reading comprehension scores must be the major downfall.Quote:
Originally posted by nesgirl119+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nesgirl119)</div>Quote:
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See?! They only occur during NDEs, so that proves it!! Also, it is highly possible to dream about something realistic, like in a sci-fi! :D[/b]Quote:
The out of Body people only need to prove it once, no? *Well, take a look at this Page:
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/skeptic03.html
Here are a few of the highlights:
Michael Sabom, M.D, conducted an excellent study of OBE among experiencers. Dr. Sabom identified a group of thirty-two patients who had a cardiac arrest, experienced a NDE, and visualized their own resuscitation efforts during the OBE stage of their NDE. *He found a group of twenty-three patients who had a cardiac arrest and did not have a NDE. Both groups were asked to describe their resuscitation. The NDE group was uniformly accurate, including correctly recalling readings on medical machines outside their potential line of vision. Twenty of the twenty-three patients who did not have a NDE were highly inaccurate in describing their resuscitation. This is verifiable and potentially reproducible validation of the OBE component of the NDE.
Dr. Charles Tart was experimenting with a subject who would have spontaneous out-of-body experiences. A remote five-digit number was placed out of view of the subject. She had an out-of-body experience and successfully read the five-digit number. The subject was then able to return to her body and successfully tell Dr. Tart what the number is. This provides strong circumstantial evidence that consciousness can transcend the physical body.
[quote][quote]That sounds like something my dad told me he saw on tv one time, my belief on death was that we have an OBE that lasts forever, then we start holusinating, and eventualy lose are memory.Quote:
The out of Body people only need to prove it once, no? Well, take a look at this Page:
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/skeptic03.html
Here are a few of the highlights:
Michael Sabom, M.D, conducted an excellent study of OBE among experiencers. Dr. Sabom identified a group of thirty-two patients who had a cardiac arrest, experienced a NDE, and visualized their own resuscitation efforts during the OBE stage of their NDE. He found a group of twenty-three patients who had a cardiac arrest and did not have a NDE. Both groups were asked to describe their resuscitation. The NDE group was uniformly accurate, including correctly recalling readings on medical machines outside their potential line of vision. Twenty of the twenty-three patients who did not have a NDE were highly inaccurate in describing their resuscitation. This is verifiable and potentially reproducible validation of the OBE component of the NDE.
Dr. Charles Tart was experimenting with a subject who would have spontaneous out-of-body experiences. A remote five-digit number was placed out of view of the subject. She had an out-of-body experience and successfully read the five-digit number. The subject was then able to return to her body and successfully tell Dr. Tart what the number is. This provides strong circumstantial evidence that consciousness can transcend the physical body.
But I'm confused by the very term "scifis" as it is applied to Astral Projection (as it once was called), or Out of Body Experience, OBE, as it has recently been refered to as. Sci Fi sounds like the abbreviated way one refers to the Science Fiction genre of literature.Quote:
Originally posted by Kaniaz
Sorry to be such a grouch but could you talk about something other than your \"scifis\", please?
An entire conversation can be confusing when you skip 2/3s of it...
I believe in the notion that our concioussnesses exist on multiple levels within this universe perpetually.
Humanity, being on the cusp of its mental evolution (having only just become aware of their surroundings, passing on knowledge to their children, absorbing knowledge from their ancestors, and reaching realization of concioussness itself) is too now only beginning to develop these facets of their brains through art, literature, and spiritual practices.
I read awhile back that inner areas of the brain served as the prime driving force for simian bodies predating the Hominid. I also read these primal areas of the brain are rarely activated; either when the brain shuts down to lower wavelengths or when the adrenal glands pump painkillers into the brain under intense physical stress. If the dream world is largely unconcious, and how animals are thought to be largely unconcious, then it obviously must be that we are the apex of the system and now we have become concious to realize our own evolution and our own fate. Could even be possible that humanity itself is the end of the evolutionary chain entirely but we merely do not have the skill or technology yet to realize our own power. Or just not enough motivation.
It is Science Fiction. I call them that for the fact that I am flying in a robe, & have a duplicate! That is definitely Sci-fi!! Well, & my friends have them too! Sometimes we even bump into each other. If we get lost, we use our blue & pink sashes (not likely!). Well, & I think that they are only dreams, so they are sci-fis! :DQuote:
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But I'm confused by the very term \"scifis\" as it is applied to Astral Projection (as it once was called), or Out of Body Experience, OBE, as it has recently been refered to as. Sci Fi sounds like the abbreviated way one refers to the Science Fiction genre of literature.[/b]Quote:
Sorry to be such a grouch but could you talk about something other than your \"scifis\", please?
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That is funny! You agree w/me! :DQuote:
Originally posted by judit11
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Look up Robert Bruce on the internet, he has a lot of interesting stuff to say about astral travel.
So are you saying that to the others, or are you talking to me?