Thread: Why it's hard to get to the Moon

Where do you get this stuff?

Don't get me wrong, Waking Nomad, it is all very interesting to read. But I am going to be blunt here and say that is sounds like the works of a fantasy/science fiction author or else of a bizarre religion. I second Cusps motion for you to tell us why you believe that this is true.

I thought guides could get you clear past into the worm holes when they take you in & through it?
I know I just wouldn't step into one, without following some kind of guide.

Originally Posted by spockman

Don't get me wrong, Waking Nomad, it is all very interesting to read. But I am going to be blunt here and say that is sounds like the works of a fantasy/science fiction author or else of a bizarre religion. I second Cusps motion for you to tell us why you believe that this is true.

Only self experience, extracted from his own dreams, this is true in the form he percieves it and it may be some what close to what it really is, but everyone that is not "him" will have to adapt it to their own beliefs or extract a little portion of it.

Nomad is right about that wormholes are sentient I just didn't come up with a thought like that. I wonder what I could do with them, but my recall isn't that good xp.

Originally Posted by mowglycdb

Only self experience, extracted from his own dreams, this is true in the form he percieves it and it may be some what close to what it really is, but everyone that is not "him" will have to adapt it to their own beliefs or extract a little portion of it.

You can't be wrong about what you experience, you can only be wrong about the conclusions you draw from those experiences. When you just present your conclusions without relating the experiences they were based on, it doesn't do anyone any good.

When I created a portal to go to the moon, a small portal flew down from the sky and I entered it. It was only after waking up from the worst nightmare of my life, did I realize that first portal looked just like a CC scout. A white small orb.

But just before I flew into the portal/scout - I saw another portal behind it, much larger, one that actually looked like a wormhole or vortex. I think my dream would have been much nicer had I gone through that one.

When it comes to portals and wormholes, my warning is, do you know what it is you're entering? Do you know about CC scouts? Do you know the telltale signs of what they look like, what they do?

Stick to teleporting, or using other dream techniques to teleport, such as a door

PS. I don't think anyone should take anything in their dreams as the literal objective truth, Nomad. And who ever these gods are that you've met, they first and foremost represent you.

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is pure energy condensed to a slow vibration, That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves..." - Bill Hicks.

"I told Nomad that I was just a projection of Carlos Castaneda's waking dream and drug trips, and yet I am real! What makes you think that your fellow men aren't merely the same thing?" Don Juan from my dream last night.

I do not get at all why you would need to use wormholes in dreamspace. If it is a teleportation thing, and you would need wormholes to teleport, perhaps this could have some validity in reality. But I can use a raygun as my weapon of choice in the dreamscape. Rayguns in real life- they would use up alot of energy. Do I have to find an in dream energy crystal and fight the parasites living off of the crystals to get it? I doubt it. I am not being sarcastic and not trying to be belligerent at all, man, I am just opposing the concept that we would need to travel through astral wormholes to get to a place not constructed in the material world but constructed purely by the mind, (even the minds of many people combined.)

Even if, let's say, the shared dreaming plane has it's own laws regarding space, and space is not just relative like it is in a normal dream, screw it, I won't teleport to the moon. I will just fly there. Problem solved.

I got the info from dreams. From dreams!

Please don't take my word for it. Do the research yourself.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

I got the info from dreams. From dreams!

Please don't take my word for it. Do the research yourself.

Oh, okay, well, that's fine for you. Of course I cannot believe it without something objective or else personal experience and it seems you don't expect me to. I still wonder how your logic works concerning why we need wormholes to travel in dreams.

I too, have experienced trouble going to the moon. Once I even lucid dreamed of trying to get to the moon, and I ended up on a falling platform. Then I tried to get there again, and I was on the moon, but there was no biodome and such. But I did percieve Waking Nomad. I don't think it was the "real" dream moon though.

I tried to get to the moon, but it took forever to get outside. When I got outside I was already waking up, so I couldn't quite get there. I didn't see the moon, either.

I have two questions I hope you will answer. First off, you said IN NEVERGAWN'S MIND that Gawn had gone to create a Dream Warrior Planet. So what did he do that Nevergawn didn't know about?

Second, how do you put together the Wyrms again? Where are the pieces?

I'm trying to get to the moon right now, having a hard time with it though because I always forget to remember my dream goals (?). I got to Mars once, but I was barely lucid and couldn't think clearly. Must be the fuckin energy parasites that caused it. Of course, that is under the assumption that all of this is true.

@spockman: Of course you cannot believe something without personal experience or something objective. Dreams are 100% subjective. My dreams are based on my perception. This is exactly why I ask you to do the research yourself, so you can have the personal experience.

@underpar: there is no one "real" dream moon. They are all real.

@Snowboy: Nevergawn thought that Gawn had abandoned Urth when he left. What Nevergawn did not realize was that Gawn was building an army of Dream Warriors.

You put the Wyrms back together with healing. The pieces are floating around in wormholes.

That is awesome that you went to Mars in a dream! That is my second favorite celestial body to hang out at in dreams. Usually I am just fighting there, or fighting from there.

Can you elaborate on Gawn and his dream warriors. Are they people like us or are they created in the dream plane?

getting to the moon was harder then expected.......
I had a lucid on saturday night, and after flying around abit i decided to take up your challange of getting to the moon, i looked up at the sky and saw the moon, i started flying towards it, but it changed into a billbord just off the road, i found another moon in the sky but it also changed. damm things.......

@ Ferret. Gawn has a very long history that goes beyond recorded time. The Dream Warriors are people from many different dimensions and worlds. We band together to battle enemies who seek to control others.

@AustralianFire AWESOME!!!

I must tell you, I have not seen a single DJ entry of anyone flying to the moon. They always teleport, open a portal or door, or go in a spaceship.

Flying is the hardest way.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Flying is the hardest way.

I learned that the hard way...

Originally Posted by spockman

I will just fly there. Problem solved.

I'll believe it when you do it, lol. I agree with the above posters. Flying to the moon is pretty damn hard.

I spent three nights in a row focusing on flying to the moon. On the third night I got so close. The dream moon was full, and I was flying fast towards it. Without asking, or without wanting, a vortex encloses in on me. Now that I was inside a swirling vortex, I wasn't flying to the moon, I was zooming towards it at a really incredible speed!

The vortex and the g-forces took me by surprise, and I ended up plopping right out of the vortex, falling to the ground where I started.

Even in the dream I asked myself why did a vortex suddenly appear when I tried to fly to the moon? The only answer that I could think of is because I KNOW SUBCONSCIOUSLY that logically flying to the moon actually takes months. The moon, she's not just right up there. She's 200,000 miles away. (the Earth's equator by comparison is only like 25,000)

Usually distance isn't an issue in dreams. So I don't know why the moons distance would be an issue in dreams, but it just seems to be! Maybe the stories of astronauts living in closed quarters for months is imprinted in our memories, making flying to the moon subconsciously impractical. Although, another argument would be that flying out of the earth's atmosphere is hard in dreams. I don't know why, but it does seem to be true. Most fliers get stuck in the upper atmosphere, and most have needed a spaceship of some kind to get past the atmosphere issue. Well which ever it is....

The vortex that surrounded me was there to speed things up - so yeah - technically it was a wormhole.

Wormholes aren't necessary to get the moon though. Any teleportation technique should work.

I will simply change my expectations. Yes, in a vivid real world environment flying to the moon at anything less than a ridiculous speed would take months. BUT if I change my dream world into an anime, or a video game, or any other type of world where my preconcieved expectations are not grounded in the laws of physics, I should be able to fly at nearly the speed of light on my own ability. Or else the moon will just appear faster since games and anime always speed things up. This technique has worked for me in the past. When I get to to the moon I just change it back. No need to teleport through a wormhole or fly through one.

I would like to pose knowledge and creativity as the answer. I come into this discussion never having been to the moon, so I can't say that your words aren't true about it being much harder than expected, but the answers seems pretty clear to me. The atmosphere/space are one of the most misunderstood subjects to almost everybody. I hardly bet anybody could tell me the layers of the atmosphere or what REALLY to expect after leaving each one and entering space. Distance isn't usually an issue in dreams, so it shouldn't be with the moon. With knowledge comes power, though; I believe the problem with flying to the moon is that one gets so confused when they get to the atmosphere/space. Few people will be able to manage this completely foreign territory, and his or her attention might be stuck on it, causing some problems for the subconscious with getting 'stuck' there. I would suggest a moon-flying-hopeful to prepare beforehand by learning a bit about the atmosphere.

1. Read about atmosphere, space, moon to get understanding, and plan how you are going to fly to the moon.
2. Begin lucidity, put on your extra awesome moon shoes ( the ones that have the super rocket boosters that turn into moon springs to help you bounce. hehe ).
3. Fly to the moon. Encounter obstacles that are easy to overcome. You should have the moon in sight on your flight. It should start out small, but don't lose track of it from your vision. In order to speed there, I would activate your moon shoes (rocket boosters GO!), and keep the moon's quickly expanding front in the direction you're headed. Seeing the moon start to widen is the equivalent of getting closer (duh). I would add a motion blur to the space around to make myself believe I'm speeding much more, also.
4. Arrive at moon. Bounce to heart's desire/put something there/etc.

That's how I would take care of it. Teleporting is obviously easier, but I would want to try flying there one day. That would be fun. As spockman said though, changing expectations and reality are essentially what I'm proposing also.

I went through a portal and it was like a vortex with matrix looking green code on the sides. I had the intention of going into someone elses dream. But, the text access denied popped up in front of me, and I got spit back out.
Also my brother told me when ever he trys to fly to space he cannot get past the atomosphere

You know, isn't funny how it's hard to get to the moon in the waking world as well as the dream plane? Irony can be pretty interesting sometimes!

The problem with flying to the moon has to do with perspective ratios. In order to have movement, you have to be moving relative to something else. Once you get far enough away from the earth, you have nothing to gauge your movement against. It's not like there are trees and lamp posts along the side of the road or anything. Without these markers you lose all sense of movement which screws with your flight.

That's what makes flying directly to the moon difficult, and flying at the speed of light impossible.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

The problem with flying to the moon has to do with perspective ratios. In order to have movement, you have to be moving relative to something else. Once you get far enough away from the earth, you have nothing to gauge your movement against. It's not like there are trees and lamp posts along the side of the road or anything. Without these markers you lose all sense of movement which screws with your flight.

That's what makes flying directly to the moon difficult, and flying at the speed of light impossible.

True; that was some clever thinking.