Hey, all you skeptics!

[♥Mark]

Flaunting science around like it proves everything. But science doesn't know everything! Besides, science is subjective. We all perceive reality in different ways. Thought is chaos. Chaos is order. And quantum physics has really proved this even more. No one truly understands what energy really is. How can you limit infinity? Discuss.

[magicdood]

I love you. Discussion ended. :p But really, I couldn't agree more with what you just said. I am interested in others responses.

[Sandform]

Um...give scientists time? You know science doesn't say we know "everything" only that everything has an answer...by saying that science doesn't know everything it is an accurate statement...and I fail to see how that is a valid argument against what we DO know. I also don't understand what you want us to discuss. Quantum physics?: limiting infinity?(whatever that means): Or completely retarded and UN SCIENTIFIC ideas about what energy is?( Believe me a thread on energy would dive into SCI-FI crap, and Spiritual crap.): I don't know anyone on this site that is actually a scientist in these specific fields. All we could do is speculate on what we WANT to believe. Obviously an arguement over what someone wants to believe can't be won over what another wants to believe, sometimes even obvious scientific data doesn't convince some people.

[♥Mark]

Well that's all fine and good except for the fact that there is no absolute truth.

[Xaqaria]

Your beliefs define your reality, but they have no effect on the greater reality unless you can show some evidence of your beliefs working. What good is it to say you think this thing is possible if you can't tangibly show it to be possible to anyone else?

[♥Mark]

Did you even watch the Matrix? All your questions are answered there.

[Wildman]

It doesn't prove everything, nor does it claim to. We will never know everything, but at least science is a start, instead of flailing around blindly. It's useless to speculate about things we cannot observe, so we should at least try to explain what we can. And what do you mean exactly when you say science is subjective? I understand what you mean in general about different perspectives and stuff, but still.

[skysaw]

Did you even watch the Matrix? All your questions are answered there. I love the Matrix... good movie! However, I thought I should point out here since it may not have been obvious: it was a fictional story.

[Xei]

Flaunting science around like it proves everything. But science doesn't know everything! We know. Otherwise scientific researchers would be a bit redundant, wouldn't they? Besides, science is subjective. Nope, objective. That's the whole point. Thought is chaos. Chaos is order. Meaningless is statement. Statement is meaningless. And quantum physics has really proved this even more. Proved what, sorry..? And what relevance does it have? No one truly understands what energy really is. It's a mathematical law, of which reasons are unknown, yes. How can you limit infinity? You can't. Discuss. Dicuss a string of unrelated, pointless statements? Okay, done. Where was this headed, sorry..?

[Sandform]

Thank you Xei, you did what I wanted to do but didn't have the time. You took each statement of crazyness and kicked it in the shins. Well that's all fine and good except for the fact that there is no absolute truth. No that is actually quite contrary to the truth. There IS one and only one absolute truth for every occasion. If there weren't...how do you think that we could accurately measure everything to such a degree that we are capable of landing a spaceship on the Moon? Or that we are able to send probes accurately into outer space far beyond reach of what man could be able to go. Or that we are able to create medicines that accurately attack and find specific areas on the body that cause illness...and end, or put a defense against illness. Without total order it would be impossible for the universe to exist. This is why there are laws in place to ensure that the universe stays intact. Did you even watch the Matrix? All your questions are answered there. Yeah, um, Did you realize its a movie? You can believe whatever the hell you want, it doesn't mean that its true. Crazy people think they can fly and that they see dead people...and that they see monsters....and all this other crazy shit....It DOESN"T mean that they actually can do any of it. If we all just went along with the whole "there is no absolute truth" bullshit we would all still be living in the darkages, even then they weren't that ignorant. Most of the crap you spouted out are only related to eachother by you. Next time pick one topic and stick to supporting it, rather than saying something like, tree doorknob spleen, discuss.

[♥Mark]

Once you stop limiting yourselves with "logic" and open your minds to what's truly true, maybe we can carry on a discussion.

[Universal Mind]

Well that's all fine and good except for the fact that there is no absolute truth. That's true, except not to me. For me, there is absolute truth, even for everybody else. That is not the case with everybody else, but it is the case with everybody else for some people. To some people, none of this is true. It is all subjective, though for me it is not all subjective, but for some people it is all subjective for me, for whom it is all objective. This point is subjective, for some people, but for me it is false.

[ThePhobiaViewed]

Thought is chaos. Chaos is order. You mean like Dream Theater, Systematic Chaos? O never mind theyre probably talking about their time signatures. Anyway now to the topic, the point of science is to come up with what we know is absolutely true by doing experiments and then using that knowledge to come up with more experiments to learn more. You aren't going to convert anyone by continually arguing when its pretty obvious you don't know what you're talking about. Maybe link to some articles where we can see the ties that you suggest. People who rely on science need to see evidence and you aren't giving much. You're right that no one knows about this possible energy but you aren't going to get anywhere throwing these random comments out there for people to turn around with the easy answer that what ur saying hasnt been proven. I'm on your side with believing all this stuff but ur not going to convert anyone without evidence.

[skysaw]

Once you stop limiting yourselves with "logic" and open your minds to what's truly true, maybe we can carry on a discussion. You're right. Let's all just post illogical things from now on. Now that's progress!

[♥Mark]

That's true, except not to me. For me, there is absolute truth, even for everybody else. That is not the case with everybody else, but it is the case with everybody else for some people. To some people, none of this is true. It is all subjective, though for me it is not all subjective, but for some people it is all subjective for me, for whom it is all objective. This point is subjective, for some people, but for me it is false. Finally, someone gets my point. Maybe link to some articles where we can see the ties that you suggest. Try here to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_physics And maybe this, too: http://home.xtra.co.nz/hosts/Wingmak...%20ENERGY.html

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"Any science that scientists do not understand." ~Alfred Adler, defining mysticism

[ThePhobiaViewed]

Try here to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_physics And maybe this, too: http://home.xtra.co.nz/hosts/Wingmak...%20ENERGY.html OK thanks for the links. I'll look through the wiki one a little later or maybe just ask my brother about how these things are related because hes real big into quantum physics (double majoring in physics and astronomy). Also I love psi balls. I don't know if I've actually made one but I get that repelling magnets type feel when I try it in bed at night. I've heard that could be biofeedback though. Maybe "The Road to Reality" talks about this stuff. My brothers read it for like an hour a night for a year and made it like halfway through (biggest most complex book ever!)(maybe I exagerrated the time frame a little). Anyway anyone else who has links please post them.

[AbyssNess]

The problem with your argument is that science is science because it can be proved. As far as I know, nobody has ever proved OOTs and so on.

[Xei]

stop limiting yourselves with "logic" I'm sorry, what? How do you deduce anything if not by logic? You really haven't made any points as of yet, but I think you believe that you're proving Psi phenomena to sceptics. Well, what science does is to document what we observe and then try to explain and predict it. I'm afraid psi phenomenon have never been observed reliably, so why should I believe them? Why should I believe in anything for which there is reason to believe? If it's gut instinct, then I'm afraid I have none...

[Bad Wolf]

I don't usually bother with trying to prove that psionics exists, but for those who want to see it here's the geiger counter expiriment.

[skysaw]

I don't usually bother with trying to prove that psionics exists, but for those who want to see it here's the geiger counter expiriment. Read it, and it's interesting, though so far it's anything but a careful study. Here's what jumped out at me: 11:23am - I put some radioactive marbles in front of the counter so we could make sure the counter actually was working - and it spiked at 68 with the marbles. Can we assume he put them there with his hands? So I focused on the psiwheel for maybe 30 seconds, just trancing out a little bit. I got a solid connection to the wheel, and "saw" the energy field around it. I started to play with it a little bit, and tried to spin in. The log suggests this was 11 minutes later. Wouldn't his hands still be contaminated by the radiation of the marbles if he had recently handled them?

[Bad Wolf]

The log suggests this was 11 minutes later. Wouldn't his hands still be contaminated by the radiation of the marbles if he had recently handled them? Actually, I think the log says it was 35 minutes after he tried the marbles that he got that spike.

[skysaw]

Actually, I think the log says it was 35 minutes after he tried the marbles that he got that spike. That's correct; I read the log wrong. I still pose the question, however. Not because it's an obvious flaw, but because I don't know how long it would take for the effect to diminish.

[Sandform]

Finally, someone gets my point. No I understood your point, its just that the arguement you make is a foolish one that can be proved wrong time and time again. Just because you say that everything is subjective DOES NOT mean that it is. Of course people percieve things differently, and what some people believe is different than others. Does that mean that all of them are right? Someone can believe up is down or down is up, it doesn't mean its true.(up being the opposite direction of gravity, and down being the direction gravity pulls, just so you don't make some other retarded statement.) Once you stop limiting yourselves with "logic" and open your minds to what's truly true, maybe we can carry on a discussion. Are you a complete moron? I am sorry but I hope you don't honestly believe the bull that is coming out of your mouth. Yes lets all just believe that anything is possible and possible means nothing X.X. Becuase if we were "truly true" we would all be dumbasses like you, believing in anything and everything we hear. Like the Matrix for example...cause fictional stories are SO freaking true. I'm only going to say this one more time, and then I am leaving this thread alone forever. Science is accurate, science is factual. Bullshit is not, in fact bullshit is fictional. What you are saying is bullshit. The truth is, your trying to aggrandize yourself by believing you, or anyone else for that matter, is special. The truth is your not. You and I and everyone else that is alive, will be alive, or ever has been alive, is a completely unimportant nothing when it comes to value. Your believing this bull shit, wherever you first heard it, because you want to be special, just like every other meaningless human being on Earth. Now I say farewell. I was always told that you shouldn't fight with a stupid person because they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience... Well the same thing goes for INSANE people. I hope you started this thread just to F with us.

[♥Mark]

Are you a complete moron?...we would all be dumbasses like you...your trying to aggrandize yourself by believing you, or anyone else for that matter, is special. The truth is your not. Resorting to petty ad hominem is a sure sign of a weak argument.