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      Parallel Universes

      So, I've been reading a lot about hypnagogic (sp?) hallucinations and such. Most of the things that are said during the hallucinations sound pretty legit. Legit as in, not a bunch of random words strung together. So, what if those things are actually being said, say, in some parallel universe or other dimension? Before you totally discount this theory, take a moment to consider these thoughts:
      Does space ever end? Probably not. But I don't think it goes on in every direction in straight lines. I think that it goes in a figure eight, like the symbol for infinity! This is just a theory me and my mom came up with, I'm not sure if there is any truth to it, but it sounds logical. Then, where the points cross, there is another dimension. Go around the eight again, come to the crossroads, another dimension. If you look at the eight, the crossroads are always in the same place, in the middle. So say there are a bunch of dimensions on top of each other. There are generations living here, on the very same spot as us, in a different time/dimension.

      Does this make sense to anybody besides me? xD

      So, if there are dimensions overlying on dimensions, that would explain the hallucinations. What if people were actually saying those things? And we could only hear them while in that subconcious half awake state. Why then? Because, the dream state has always seemed like another world. We see things that we have never seen before, hear voices we have never heard, some people have OBEs, so is it possible that we could be more aware of other dimensions in that state, too?

      That would also explain other phenomenon, such as ghosts.

      I was at a family reunion in Texas one day. Me and my family were around a table talking to each other. Coming from another room, I heard a lamb bleat. The tv was off, nobody was in there, everyone else was asleep. it definiely came from the living room. It was very vivid. It stuck in my brain for some reason. Why a lamb? In some other world, does my grandmother's house sit on a field or a farm?

      Anyone have any thoughts? i'd also like to hear your experiences that could relate.
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      Hum...nice thread
      I do believe in parallel universe. I think it's really like "the spiritual world". Where all the APs, lucid dreams happens. I see it more like: conscious=reality...our world as we see it every day. Subconscious= parallel universe.

      I like the idea of the never ending space. But you never know right... lol

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      Yeah, ditto. Ohh, new thought, what if when we are in our subconcious, thats when we are all on the same dimension? Like, every being from every dimension's subconcious are on the same level. So that way, when we are dreaming or hallucinating, we arent separated by dimension anymore. And yeah, you never know! I mean, who woulda thunk it that the Earth was round? =oo
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      I like the The theorys you have come up with Like When i had my First OBE i was in what looked like the spirit version of earth
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      lol i kinda think the false awakening state is another dimension, there interesting to explore indeed

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      I believe in the theory of multiple worlds and everything said in this video. I believe that all parallel universes are always existing, we are just unable to perceive. In random bits of consciousness we do perceive other worlds. But I also believe you can work on your consciousness and perceive parts of the other worlds all the time.

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      You say space goes in the figure eight.. like this?



      Also, what would be the purpose and function of parallel universes?
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      i think their could be an infinite amount of parallel universes. For everything you have done in this universe, their is another universe where you didn't do that. And that goes for everyone in the world, so technically every millisecond billions of parallel universes are been created. However it is impossible to reach a universe that has major global differences
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      I never really got the whole theory from string theory that an entire new universe is created just because you choose to eat a potato chip or not. A universe is mind-blowingly huge!! And it seems like a huge waste of energy and space to create a whole new universe on something so trivial as to whether or not you ate a potato chip.

      That's what dreams are for! There our subconscious can experience every choice, including the choices we didn't make. After all, why does an entire universe need to be created just so YOU can experience a choice not made? You really need billions of other galaxies to pop into existence to experience everything you want to experience? How about a micro-universe instead? A personal one? Every night, the dream world is clean and free to be something completely independent from last night. It's the perfect format to explore the road not taken.

      A parallel universe? For me a parallel universe is something no one in their dizziest day dreams could ever experience, let alone obtain the comprehension to experience. The laws of the universe as far as science understand were literally created with the great expansion of the singularity that we all are. In other words, if there is such a thing as another universe besides our own, it may have laws so radically different we can't exist there! We can't even be invisible ghosts to that universe, because if ghosts are real then they exist!

      But, what I do believe is that this Universe has many "layers". All of these layers interact with each other and are a part of the whole. Because we exist, in some weird way, we exist on all of these layers because they are all a part of whole. But each layer offers a different view of reality.

      The dreamscape is a layer where our subconscious sculpts every grain of sand. It's a world of mind, thought, emotion. Every object, every item, literally represents a thought, emotion, memory and so on. I think there might be other layers, lots, but I can't talk much about them.

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      Quote Originally Posted by juroara View Post
      But, what I do believe is that this Universe has many "layers". All of these layers interact with each other and are a part of the whole. Because we exist, in some weird way, we exist on all of these layers because they are all a part of whole. But each layer offers a different view of reality.

      The dreamscape is a layer where our subconscious sculpts every grain of sand. It's a world of mind, thought, emotion. Every object, every item, literally represents a thought, emotion, memory and so on. I think there might be other layers, lots, but I can't talk much about them.
      Interesting....I like this theory!

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      I like your theory, rubies! It's definitely something to think about.

      I agree with juroara's theory, it makes a lot of sense to me. Though I do believe anything is possible...there certainly could be parallel universes.

      Though I never really got the whole string theory thing either. It doesn't really make sense to me that a new universe would be created every time we make a choice to accommodate the choice we didn't make. I was reading about quantum suicide the other day, in relation to parallel universes, and it just seemed...silly. But hey, to each his own. If you wanna read about it (maybe someone else can make more sense of it than I could ), here's a link:

      Quantum Suicide
      As we felt eternity,
      the water recalled her life
      as rain.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Wrighty View Post
      I like the The theorys you have come up with Like When i had my First OBE i was in what looked like the spirit version of earth
      whoa, that sounds really cool! in my lucid dreams, (once i start having them), I'd like to try that.

      Quote Originally Posted by acillis View Post
      lol i kinda think the false awakening state is another dimension, there interesting to explore indeed
      That seems totally possible, since usually they are so realistic.

      Quote Originally Posted by KushyBear View Post
      I believe in the theory of multiple worlds and everything said in this video. I believe that all parallel universes are always existing, we are just unable to perceive. In random bits of consciousness we do perceive other worlds. But I also believe you can work on your consciousness and perceive parts of the other worlds all the time.
      yeah, like de ja vu, sortof? and implanted memories?

      Quote Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba View Post
      You say space goes in the figure eight.. like this?

      Also, what would be the purpose and function of parallel universes?
      Yes, exactly like that. The purpose? Well, think. If you could make thousands of different worlds, as opposed to just this one, wouldn't that be awesome? In each world, everything could be slightly different. Like testing zones for new creatures, landscapes, beginnings, destruction, ideas. Depends on how you think the world was created. I personally have no idea. I'm open to anything.

      Quote Originally Posted by AustralianFire View Post
      i think their could be an infinite amount of parallel universes. For everything you have done in this universe, their is another universe where you didn't do that. And that goes for everyone in the world, so technically every millisecond billions of parallel universes are been created. However it is impossible to reach a universe that has major global differences
      whoa there, that sounds like a really cool theory too! I never really thought of that.
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      I like your theory, rubies! It's definitely something to think about.

      I agree with juroara's theory, it makes a lot of sense to me. Though I do believe anything is possible...there certainly could be parallel universes.

      Though I never really got the whole string theory thing either. It doesn't really make sense to me that a new universe would be created every time we make a choice to accommodate the choice we didn't make. I was reading about quantum suicide the other day, in relation to parallel universes, and it just seemed...silly. But hey, to each his own. If you wanna read about it (maybe someone else can make more sense of it than I could ), here's a link:

      Quantum Suicide
      Whoa, interesting link. I haven't learned about quantum anything yet in school.

      Juroara:
      I don't suppose it IS something as trivial as eating a potato chip. But say you choked on the potato chip and were hospitalized for a week with damage to your throat? That deserves another universe. Every time you decided to either pee now or hold it? Trivial. But what if you held it but ended up peeing on yourself right in front of your crush, and you never got married? not trivial. Maybe that's how it works?
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      Quote Originally Posted by rubies3 View Post
      Yes, exactly like that. The purpose? Well, think. If you could make thousands of different worlds, as opposed to just this one, wouldn't that be awesome? In each world, everything could be slightly different. Like testing zones for new creatures, landscapes, beginnings, destruction, ideas. Depends on how you think the world was created. I personally have no idea. I'm open to anything.
      That would be very awesome indeed. If the purpose is testing, to experiment, you could argue that dreams are already parallel universes for the sake of testing future possibilities, and that even your imagination would be a parallel universe for testing out future actions, before actually doing them. So maybe dreams and imagination are parallel universes, and lucid dreaming is travelling into these parallel universes?

      edit: I just re-read your topic and apparently I didn't properly read it because I guess that is the point you were making to start with right? I think you came up with a really interesting theory, it would indeed explain pretty much everything unexplained. Impressive thinking, I see no holes in this theory


      If people claim it is impossible for parallel universes to exist, how do they explain the imagination? I don't know if these parallel universes are exactly as solid as our own universe tho, maybe they are just a thought-version or something. But the lucid dreams are pretty real compared to reality, most of the times we can't even tell the difference, that is why we don't get lucid in the first place.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba View Post
      That would be very awesome indeed. If the purpose is testing, to experiment, you could argue that dreams are already parallel universes for the sake of testing future possibilities, and that even your imagination would be a parallel universe for testing out future actions, before actually doing them. So maybe dreams and imagination are parallel universes, and lucid dreaming is travelling into these parallel universes?

      edit: I just re-read your topic and apparently I didn't properly read it because I guess that is the point you were making to start with right? I think you came up with a really interesting theory, it would indeed explain pretty much everything unexplained. Impressive thinking, I see no holes in this theory


      If people claim it is impossible for parallel universes to exist, how do they explain the imagination? I don't know if these parallel universes are exactly as solid as our own universe tho, maybe they are just a thought-version or something. But the lucid dreams are pretty real compared to reality, most of the times we can't even tell the difference, that is why we don't get lucid in the first place.
      Yes that was sortof the point I was making ^o^ but no worries. Thanks for the compliments! And yeah, maybe out of all of the universes, this one succeeded most. Or maybe not, because humans are total failures...maybe this one was the most important. OR OR OR, maybe all of the other ones already realized there were parallel universes, and we're the only ones left! We've been gaining and gaining technology. Maybe in 2012 someone will prove the existence of parallel dimensions/universes and then something major will happen, like all the universes coming together as one. Or something like that. xD Fun to fantasize about this, I like coming up with these ideas.
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      anyone ever seen the movie "the one" ? it's a Jet Li movie about pararallel universes, its pretty cool
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      Very interesting, but the universe is not infinite. Infinity is only a mathematical concept.

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      Quote Originally Posted by aktw4 View Post
      Very interesting, but the universe is not infinite. Infinity is only a mathematical concept.
      So, what's outside of the universe?
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      Quote Originally Posted by WakingNomad View Post
      So, what's outside of the universe?

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      Quote Originally Posted by aktw4 View Post
      LOL yes, it isssss a mystery. Or for some its religious. I honestly have no theory. Maybe there's nothing and you just drop off into endless black void for eternity and limbo?
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      Or the moment you go outside you just end up at the other end of the universe. Like the band of mobius I posted. Finite concept that leads to infinity. Like this:


      Or maybe, if you zoom out really really far you end up back at the atom. Like say the solar system is an atom. Then we would be living inside an atom. Like this:
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      Quote Originally Posted by aktw4 View Post
      Very interesting, but the universe is not infinite. Infinity is only a mathematical concept.
      The universe is only finite if you believe it is. Anything is possible!
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      Quote Originally Posted by KristaNicole07 View Post
      The universe is only finite if you believe it is. Anything is possible!
      Not really. Does your house not exist if you believe it doesn't?

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      Quote Originally Posted by rubies3 View Post
      LOL yes, it isssss a mystery. Or for some its religious. I honestly have no theory. Maybe there's nothing and you just drop off into endless black void for eternity and limbo?
      lol they used to think the same thing about the ocean
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      Quote Originally Posted by saltyseedog View Post
      lol they used to think the same thing about the ocean
      This guy is onto something.

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