are my eyes open?

every night i try to obe i get so close but i keep thinking that my eyes are starting to open. i see my room then i think that my eyes are open. then i do open then realized that they were closed... :( i tried looking up towards my third eye and it helps a bit but its seems to come on quicker if i let my eyes go wherever. the comming on has the classic body sensations but there is a spining vortex. you know when you put pressure on your eyes you see a whole bunch of colors and stuff? well its that but in a spinning vortex mode. does anyone evr get that?

p.s. in my opinion you dont need to go to sleep for a couple of hours then wake up to do this, just dont think about any rules or guidelines towards that ( unless it could be harmful)

well, i've never tried to OBE, but i know what ur talking about...like if im just staring at my blank eyelids when im trying ot sleep, sometimes it'll start feeling like my eyes are open and all, when theyre closed.

yep this hold true your physical eyes are actually closed. But where the challenge comes in is wether you are actually focusing on your room through your spiritual eyes or are you focusing on your Dream Room? The mind can re-dupicate your room with 100% accuracy. I've never experienced that swirling color thing. Have you tried floating? It just seems like you could of figured out if you were OB or not instead of wasting time figuring out if your eyes are focusing properly.

I think you are seeing the room thorught your astral eyes and not just a dream. I have also experienced this and can read my alarm clock exactly as it is. It is called real-time vision. I don't feel the vibrations though.

The other night whille i was listening to sleep induction cds i had thesame thing happen to me, but i think that my eyes were just open the hole time. Its like u think that your eyes are closed but there really open for like 20 minutes haha.