This has been on my mind for some time. I was experiencing something where I would do a wbtb and I could never fall asleep. It was only when I stood up from bed I would realize I was already dreaming. I did some research and found the term INRALD (I'm not really awake lucid dream) so you think you are trying to go to sleep but really you are already sleeping and dreaming of trying to sleep. If you realize what's happening it becomes a lucid dream.

When I come out of body it seems so real, like its happening while I'm still awake. So after a few more obe's I have come to terms that I am already dreaming when the vibrations start. So, I don't think you can project from waking life. I personaly think you can only come out of body in dream state. Every OBE starts with an INRALD except you havnt realized you already dreaming. If you have an inrald without
realization of it you will keep trying to go to sleep and relax this is what causes vibrations and projection.

Example of why I belive this is the method for obe:

I was trying to wild. Vibrations started. My girlfriend was talking to me but I just kept the vibrations going and floated up out of body. When I woke up the next day I asked her if she was talking to me around 5 am she said no. So I must have already Ben dreaming when this happened. But i never lost conciousness. So the only thing that can point to is an inrald before the exit.

I know people will disagree but I thought I would share the thought









Second example. I projected out of body.. Did my thing, when I woke up. I did a reality check while in bed. I was still dreaming. Instead of standing I tried to AP again as I relaxed I got vibrations and projected