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    • Yes, because I have experienced it.

      58 25.55%
    • Yes, because of others' experience.

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    • Maybe, but I have to experience it for myself.

      88 38.77%
    • Maybe, but it has to be scientifically proven.

      27 11.89%
    • No, it's impossible.

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      O, you just reminded me of a possible shared dream I had once in high school.

      I had dreamed that I was walking with a friend through a public square and we saw a woman pushing a baby carriage. A couple of people walked up to peer at the baby and ooo and aaah at it, but suddenly a rattle struck them from under the baby's blanket and they died horribly (don't remember details after so many years). The baby's head came up into view and it was an adult-sized skull with a leering grin. It was Death, and its weapon was it's Death Rattle. I knew that a single touch of it meant the end, and now it was staring straight at me and my friend. It threw the rattle at us, and thinking fast I jumped up onto a slide that deflected it upwards, and I used some kind of scarf or cloth to sort of catch it without slowing it and swing it around sling-style so it was now flying straight back at Baby Death. It struck him and he imploded or something.

      Well, this felt like an "important" dream, and I jumped on my bike and pedalled over to his house as fast as I could. When I got there, he was standing in the driveway talking to another friend and telling him about a dream he had had that me and him had killed death... !!

      Wha... ?

      Hardly able to contain myself, I listened. His dream was very different from mine though... it was more of a swords and sorcery adventure taking place in an old stone tower and we fought a traditional Grim Reaper with swords. Still, it's an amazing coincidence. I thought long and hard about things we had seen on TV the few days previous, conversations we had that might have provoked such a dream, but I never came up with anything feasible.

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      Yeah, I agree with the others who said "I might have experienced it." Because I had a dream the same night as one of my best friends with many similar features (we were both in a car, it was raining, driving down a dark road lined by trees...) but the dreams diverged later on.

      The coincidences are very... coincidental. I'd need to experience it lucid and have confirmation though. But yeah... I won't forget that dream or the conversation we had afterwards.
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      i might have had one before as well. There was a baby that took part in 4 dreams in 1 night, and he had an inexplainable presence to him unlike other DCs
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      Voted for "Yes, because I have experienced it."
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      Shared Dreaming (???) Try my avatar (!!!)

      Look at my Avatar

      One day, when you want to have a short nap, look at my Avatar for a minute or so. Then as you drop-off notice any hipnagogic imagery. When you wake, note any dream snippets and post them.

      I will go to the beach where the Mandala is. I wiil look around for anything that sync's with your hipnagogs and dream snippets.

      This is the beggining.

      Once it (the remote viewing) happens, you will begin to trust the Avatar mandala.

      When you trust the Mandala it will not just be a remote viewing camera to where i am, (Adelaide, South Australia) but it will become a portal that you are welcome to step into.

      The Mandala will gently teleport you onto the beach between the Henley Beach Jetty and the Grange Jetty. Then you will have 100% verifiable shared dreams.

      The mandala IS the expecto-petronum charm, so every dark thing will be satiated and float-away blissfully and harmlessly.

      So

      Nothing will harm you and nothing will be harmed.

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      Maybe the 'collective consciousness' could account for the dream/astral plane?
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      I voted for "Maybe, I am yet to experience it".

      It would be very difficult to prove, hence people call it coincidence. I think what Nomad is saying is at what amount of coincidences does it no longer become a coincidence? Big fat grey area that is.
      Go check out the results, but like I said, it's a personal decision on what is a coincidence and what isn't.
      Hell yeah I hope so.

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      I also voted for "Maybe, but id have to experience it" and believe me, I am planning on trying.

      Ive read through the Dj entries of WakingNomad and RavenKnight, MoSH and others and find the entire thing absolutely fascinating. I'd love to believe in this being real, but the only way to find out is to try. Im not an amazing LD'er and am still fairly new to the whole concept but when I increase my LD count, control etc i will be attempting it xD
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      Simply because you can breathe, doesn't mean your alive, or that you really live....

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      http://www.dreamviews.com/f144/results-119299/

      Are some of them coincidences? Probably, but they can't all be.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Atras View Post
      http://www.dreamviews.com/f144/results-119299/

      Are some of them coincidences? Probably, but they can't all be.
      I've read through all of those too, Atras. And yeah you right, some/most of them COULD be coincidences but after a while it seems there are just too many for it to be random. Like I said though im rather stubborn and will have to experience it. I plan to try, im just not good enough at general LD'ing yet xD
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      Simply because you can breathe, doesn't mean your alive, or that you really live....

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      Quote Originally Posted by nito89 View Post
      I've read through all of those too, Atras. And yeah you right, some/most of them COULD be coincidences but after a while it seems there are just too many for it to be random. Like I said though im rather stubborn and will have to experience it. I plan to try, im just not good enough at general LD'ing yet xD
      For sure, experience is really the only proof you get.
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      I'm voting: maybe you should start to realise you're allredy experiencing it.

      Liked nomad's answer to teh comment: "where's the shared dreaming faq" - "it's all around you" (in this facebookverse likes are what count. If you say it's unlikely, you're really meaning it's unliked

      This is a short version of lucid dreaming faq:
      The Matrix Of Illusion - YouTube

      so stay lucid also when you're in the dominion of time, and i don't mean the dreams when time is chaotic, but observe it when it acts like clockwork. Good wendesday to you all. It's the next realm you're most likely to experince

      and before you flame me, remember to do it outside beyond dreaming
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      Quote Originally Posted by Atras View Post
      For sure, experience is really the only proof you get.
      Yes. You want proof? try it yourself. No one can prove anything to you.
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      Quote Originally Posted by WakingNomad View Post
      What is the difference between sharing a dream and with someone else and having the same dream with someone else to you?
      If I could actually "share" a dream with someone else, then I could completely crash the communications industry, espionage, revolutionize warfare, and become a multibillionaire overnight.

      Having a similar or even the same dream is not the same the same thing -- it could merely be a coincidence brought on by environmental circumstances or pre-dream suggestions. Or we may both be reinterpreting our dreams after we wake up. "I thought I saw a loaf of bread."... "Oh... so that's what that brown dot was... yeah I guess I saw a loaf of bread, too."
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mindraker View Post
      If I could actually "share" a dream with someone else, then I could completely crash the communications industry, espionage, revolutionize warfare, and become a multibillionaire overnight.
      How could you do that through shared dreaming?
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      I voted 1st one. It is recurringly happening to me, with a guy i used to know in school. It's all in my DJs
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      Quote Originally Posted by Bobblehat View Post
      WakingNomad, is there a place on here I can go to see the evidence?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Bobblehat View Post
      Sorry WakingNomad, my crystal ball is missing. Where do I find Shared Dream FAQ? I looked at the FAQ menu up the top, I looked in the DJs and I looked in Beyond Dreaming. Where is it?


      Did you actually read what wakingnomad said on his Thread? I feel you are skeptic to actually want evidence and a Faq.

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      I chose the first one because I had a pretty good emotional bond with my shared dreaming partner. Though I didn't find her, she found me, and the environment was the same.

      A school designed like a mall, and there was another attempt where I was at some pet school waiting for someone, but didn't know it was her until I read her DJ entry.
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      Sooo, when does the debate start?

      Aside from a couple of tepid posts that essentially say. "maybe shared dreaming can't exist," this entire thread is far more echo chamber than an exchange of opposing ideas and opinions (aka: debate).

      I personally can't argue honestly against it because I want to believe that shared-dreaming exists, and have a feeling I have experienced it many times. To be fair: though I've never argued against its existence, I have argued for empirical proof for that existence -- which I think matters, but also feel is not the subject set for debate here.

      But it would be nice if someone came on to prod us into thinking of reasons why shared dreaming exists (other than "Because I said so," or "Because WakingNomad said so"), and how communication between minds using energy that is neither electromagnetic or responsive to known laws of physics and can be directed to and understood by specifically targeted minds is even possible.

      And then there are the potentials of shared dreaming, were it to become commonplace or at least readily doable ... Aside from Mindraker's post above that went pretty much ignored, not much debate there, either. Why discuss a thing if its definition must stop at simply "something" getting communicated between two dreamers?

      tl;dr: This thread doesn't speak so much of a debate as a pro-shared-dreaming echo chamber. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, but is it really what you wanted, Nomad?
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      Quote Originally Posted by WakingNomad View Post
      I am a bigger skeptic than all of you. I doubt all but my personal experience.

      I see a bunch of people stating their opinions as fact. This is not being skeptical.
      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      Sooo, when does the debate start?
      This seems to me to highlight a worthwhile point. A person's beliefs strongly determine their personal experience, not merely their interpretation of experience, and this is particularly clear with dreams. Looking entirely to one's own experience as the only useful evidence would be tantamount to basing one's 'facts' entirely on personal opinion. Everyone tends to get stuck in their own echo chamber. To fertilize it with new ideas requires going outside of that and considering other perspectives that are not yet confirmed by one's own experience. That happens in internet discussions, and, ironically, also in shared dreams. For myself both arenas are linked, and the process is largely the same in both cases.
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      EDIT:

      Never mind, what I said isn't going to help anything xP
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      I think it would be awesome if shared dreaming was real, but I don't believe in it. Dreams exist within the subconscious. How is shared dreaming possible, then? You're supposed to somehow leave your mind and enter someone else's subconscious? Impossible.

      I'd be convinced if there was scientific evidence or I experienced a definite shared dream myself (as in, we can both recall the same conversation and events in detail, to make sure it's not just a coincidence), but I still voted no because I believe that it's impossible and there never will be solid proof.
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      Quote Originally Posted by fennecgirl View Post
      I think it would be awesome if shared dreaming was real, but I don't believe in it. Dreams exist within the subconscious. How is shared dreaming possible, then? You're supposed to somehow leave your mind and enter someone else's subconscious? Impossible.
      You don't have to necessarily "invade" or enter someone's mind to try and have a shared dreaming attempt.

      If you think about the dreaming dimension/plane as a medium where two or more people who can pick up on each others' dream signature or frequency instead of one going into a person's mind, then it can be somewhat more rational than thinking dreams exists only within the subconscious.

      Of course, I can just say that there's more to dreaming than just the unconscious linking with the subconscious to manifest repressed thoughts, etc., but that won't be enough.

      You said you would be convinced if you both recalled the same conversation and events in detail, that is possible. It depends on your shared dreaming partner's invitation for you to see certain portrayals of their subconscious to you that would normally be filtered out.

      You also have to consider that by having a bond (doesn't have to be intimate) with your partner to try and find the frequency, or energy signature to find each other, it can help with finding them faster, which is why certain projects like the IOSDP focus on understanding certain qualities of participants to find them on the dreaming plane.

      I don't know if you are open to the possibility of the dreaming plane and others, and only believe that dreams are only confined in the subconscious, but a connection with the partner is not required, but it helps a lot.

      Think of it as being in a void, all you feel is emptiness, being saturated by repressed thoughts that are slowly portraying themselves to you. And to find that person you're looking for, you can either try to imagine what it would feel like to be around them, or think of it as turning the knob on the radio to find their frequency, because if you don't tune in to the right channel, you most likely will not receive feedback.

      I know the analogy isn't unique, but I believe that it's more of an intuition endeavor rather than logic, based on that intuition itself helps with understanding your true self. And by understanding your true self, whether you think it's the superconscious or something else, you will realize that the potential for shared dreaming being real isn't so far-fetched if you change how and where dreaming can exist.
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      I like to believe that it might exist, I also like to argue the possible means as to how it could exist and how it operates. In the end this is because I think its a cool idea and not because it might be within the realms of science. It is no more justified than arguing the possibility of aliens landing on earth. None the less it is still interesting to imagine the possibilities it could open.
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