Thread: predicting the future?

Personally--foresight in dreams isn't what people chalk it up to be. I believe that the human mind is capable of understanding more than we think it is, and often it can put 2 and 2 together long before we consciously realize it. I've mentioned this in a few earlier threads on similar topics. Simply--you may have subconsciously realized that the brakes weren't performing as well as normal a while ago and dreamt that they failed because you'd subconsciously decided that the failing brakes would eventually fail entirely. Or maybe you just realized he wasn't a very cautious driver and dreamt that because you felt he might be more prone to accidents because of that. There's always the small, but prevalent possibility that it was just coinkidink. Not likely, but possible.

Because of this, there's no real way to tell whether a dream will come true or not. Maybe it's your subconscious picking up on things you've missed, maybe it's just a dream. You could try analyzing the possibilities that such an event would occur, and focus on things that are related to that and what you can infer from those things. Other than that, there's no way. Besides, the overly cautious never really live.

Well..my friend, whom hasn't been to school in a long time since he almost died of a staff infection about 4 months ago came to school the day before the last day for the 8th grade cookout that we were having.

The wierd part being, the night before I had a dream that he'd be at the cookout, with no prior knowledge of him being there, and I doubted he was coming back at all.It was undoubtely the wierdest thing that's happened to me in recent times, and I have no idea how the fuck it happened.

Originally posted by cutie4life
I keep having dreams that are coming true...the most vivid was one night I dreamed that the brakes on my car went out and I hit a truck, the very next day the brakes on my friends truck went out and he hit a semi. This isn't the only time this has happened to me but the other things seem to be less noticable. I just wondered if anyone knew anything about this and if so send me a message. I would really like to know how to tell what is going to come true and what isn't.

In Greek Mythology, during the Trojan War, there was a Lady named Cassandra, daughter of a King. Apollo had fallen in love with her and given her the gift of prophecy, but Cassandra would not return Apollo love and so he placed a capping curse on her gift of Prophecy -- that although everything she would predict would be true, nobody would ever believe her.

I believe that this is simply how all Prophecy works. We will have glimpses of the future but it is impossible to believe any of it true until it finally happens. So, you see, Cassandra's Curse just happens to be the Human Condition.

Thats the only way it could be described... the thing is.. even though you know it will happen. You still won't expect or believe it to happen, once that happens you lose the effect.

Well, I actually wish I had more contemporary foresight -- all I see is the end of the world and international events.

My last vision that has yet to come true is Taiwan becoming an independent nation on or by July 6th, 2009. Chen Shui-bian may not still be the President then, but I know as fiercely pro-Independence as he is, he will have a huge part in it.

I have been having such dreams since i was 8. My immediate advice would be use the knowledge of these dreams if you can to help you.

I my experience, (which no doubt many will disagree) there are 3 type's of dreams.
Normal dream..subconcious playing out random events & figures which you may or may not know
the dreams you can control, you realise your dreaming & can enter & manipulate the dream...technicallly you can control all your dreams,
And precognition, future events...the only thing yo can do is remember these. Experience, will guide you as to which is which.

Good luck

Welcome to DreamViews, cutie and Tony!

What kinds of precognitive dreams have you had that you have been able to use to your advantage?

Originally posted by Rakkantekimusouka
Well, I actually wish I had more contemporary foresight -- all I see is the end of the world and international events.

My last vision that has yet to come true is Taiwan becoming an independent nation on or by July 6th, 2009. Chen Shui-bian may not still be the President then, but I know as fiercely pro-Independence as he is, he will have a huge part in it.

Actually, if they want to take on Mainland China in a War, then they ought to consider doing so while Bush is still in the Whitehouse. Certainly it should be obvious that any Democratic American President would see no national interest in bringing about a Global War that would lay all of the World Economies to waste simply because a few fat business leaders in Taiwan resent that the benefits of political corruption may slip out of their own hands to third parties on the mainland. Bush might enjoy a War because at heart he is still an adolescent who figures that eventually America, with the help of his War God Jehova, might win and then he will be able to boast that he conquered the World... that future school children will learn Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Attila the Hun, Charlemagne, Genhis Khan, Napolean and George Bush. But after 2008 that window of meglomaniacal insanity will close. and then Taiwan would only be stamped good and hard by a Mainland Army and Navy that would cut through any taiwanese resistance like a hot knife through yellow butter.

Originally posted by Leo Volont
Actually, if they want to take on Mainland China in a War, then they ought to consider doing so while Bush is still in the Whitehouse. *Certainly it should be obvious that any Democratic American President would see no national interest in bringing about a Global War that would lay all of the World Economies to waste simply because a few fat business leaders in Taiwan resent that the benefits of political corruption may slip out of their own hands to third parties on the mainland. *Bush might enjoy a War because at heart he is still an adolescent who figures that eventually America, with the help of his War God Jehova, might win and then he will be able to boast that he conquered the World... that future school children will learn Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Attila the Hun, Charlemagne, Genhis Khan, Napolean and George Bush. *But after 2008 that window of meglomaniacal insanity will close. *and then Taiwan would only be stamped good and hard by a Mainland Army and Navy that would cut through any taiwanese resistance like a hot knife through yellow butter.

Well, I never said I saw Taiwan becoming independent via war, and as you say, in the time frame in which I saw it, that would be highly unlikely if impossible.

My best guess is that it will be more of a political coup. I mentioned that Chen Shui-bian is already working hard towards independence, as he is all for it with every fiber of his being. I see him pulling a lot of strings within. Also, if you remember, the IOC granted China the 2008 Summer Games. I suspect their attention will be focused on that event, allowing a few key things to slip by, thus allowing Taiwan to gain its independence.

But then again, Bush has currently done things that shifts the US's favor more and more over to China. So either way, I doubt we'd goto war for them... Taiwan is screwed in any case. The only possible way to incite a conflict like that against China, is if they feel that North Korea poses an asset, and we decide to launch an attack there.

Originally posted by Rakkantekimusouka

Well, I never said I saw Taiwan becoming independent via war, and as you say, in the time frame in which I saw it, that would be highly unlikely if impossible.

My best guess is that it will be more of a political coup. I mentioned that Chen Shui-bian is already working hard towards independence, as he is all for it with every fiber of his being. I see him pulling a lot of strings within. Also, if you remember, the IOC granted China the 2008 Summer Games. I suspect their attention will be focused on that event, allowing a few key things to slip by, thus allowing Taiwan to gain its independence.

Oh, yes, the 2008 Games would be enough to have China bide her time. But one thing is absolutely certain, that Taiwan will never be able to sustain independence. Economically, militarily and politically Taiwan is simply not a fraction as powerful as the Mainland. The Chinese have a tenacious sense of History. We can see that China never forgets when we look at how China has annexed Tibet because of an invasion from Tibet in the 12th Century. "You invade us, now we invade you"... 8 centuries later, but to the Chinese, that is like yesterday. So Taiwan is Chinese, and everyone knows it. There will be no slipping out. China is familiar with how Civilizations collapse. Allowing an Empire's jurisdiction to crumble is a first step off of a very steep drop, and the Chinese will fight allowing it. And yes it is in the nature of Angloamericanism to attempt to destabilize other nations, other Civilizations... gladly burning down a city if some businessman in New York of London can get away with a few gold candlesticks. But China has been staring Angloamericanism in the face now for over two Centuries, and while they get stronger, Angloamericanism is getting weaker. they aren't going to flinch now.

Also, China is now indispensable in World Economic affairs. Are they not now the manufacturers to the World? If Europe had to choose between China and Angloamerica... well what has Angloamerica ever been to Europe but an implacable enemy for the last 800 years. Europe may begin to think of its own interests in being on the same Euroasian Continent with China. Angloamerica has always been an enemy and an invader of Europe, while China may be able to persuade Europe of its historic propensity for Peace, something that Angloamerica would have a tough time competing with.

Of course, there is the danger that the Western World had not intended to make China the Manufacturer to the World and may instigate a Global War just to wean the Global Economy away from Chinese Goods. The problem there is that China is the reliable low cost producer. There could be no easy transition away from that. It almost couldn't happen because the Banks would be opposed to the high price inflation that would certainly follow, and Banks Chairmans are more powerful than Presidents in their own way. But the possibility remains that the West could push for a War with China simply to get back its own manufacturing which it had never intended to slip quite so far. I suppose China could become a self-sufficient Economy, non-addicted to infusions of hard currency from the West, but somehow they would have to get a good share of the World's Petroleum, or whatever Energy Source they can come up with. Without that, China could simply not sit back. It'd make me feel a lot better if they were to strike some significant oil reserves in China somewhere, then they could be free enough to simply tell the rest of the World to get bent and go to what Chinese have always loved the most -- blissful isolation.

Originally posted by Leo Volont
Oh, yes, the 2008 Games would be enough to have China bide her time. *But one thing is absolutely certain, that Taiwan will never be able to sustain independence. *Economically, militarily and politically Taiwan is simply not a fraction as powerful as the Mainland. *The Chinese have a tenacious sense of History. *We can see that China never forgets when we look at how China has annexed Tibet because of an invasion from Tibet in the 12th Century. *\"You invade us, now we invade you\"... 8 centuries later, but to the Chinese, that is like yesterday. * So Taiwan is Chinese, and everyone knows it. *There will be no slipping out. *China is familiar with how Civilizations collapse. *Allowing an Empire's jurisdiction to crumble is a first step off of a very steep drop, and the Chinese will fight allowing it. *And yes it is in the nature of Angloamericanism to attempt to destabilize other nations, other Civilizations... gladly burning down a city if some businessman in New York of London can get away with a few gold candlesticks. *But China has been staring Angloamericanism in the face now for over two Centuries, and while they get stronger, Angloamericanism is getting weaker. *they aren't going to flinch now.

Also, China is now indispensable in World Economic affairs. *Are they not now the manufacturers to the World? *If Europe had to choose between China and Angloamerica... well what has Angloamerica ever been to Europe but an implacable enemy for the last 800 years. *Europe may begin to think of its own interests in being on the same Euroasian Continent with China. *Angloamerica has always been an enemy and an invader of Europe, while China may be able to persuade Europe of its historic propensity for Peace, something that Angloamerica would have a tough time competing with.

Of course, there is the danger that the Western World had not intended to make China the Manufacturer to the World and may instigate a Global War just to wean the Global Economy away from Chinese Goods. *The problem there is that China is the reliable low cost producer. *There could be no easy transition away from that. *It almost couldn't happen because the Banks would be opposed to the high price inflation that would certainly follow, and Banks Chairmans are more powerful than Presidents in their own way. *But the possibility remains that the West could push for a War with China simply to get back its own manufacturing which it had never intended to slip quite so far. * I suppose China could become a self-sufficient Economy, non-addicted to infusions of hard currency from the West, but somehow they would have to get a good share of the World's Petroleum, or whatever Energy Source they can come up with. *Without that, China could simply not sit back. *It'd make me feel a lot better if they were to strike some significant oil reserves in China somewhere, then they could be free enough to simply tell the rest of the World to get bent and go to what Chinese have always loved the most -- blissful isolation.

Um...you lost me after the invasion part.

For now, at least, Taiwan is self-governing. Like pedaling a bike, with China, the father holding its shoulders. If China lets go, Taiwan would still go forward, pedaling by itself. Now I realize what you are saying about China not wanting to let go -- but I know what I saw, and I think that outside of their fear of being targeted by a nuclear missile, the Taiwanese want to be free of China. Chen Shui-bian, to be sure, will not allow himself to die until the gears of independence are in motion. I know, I know, one man, even in America, can't start a revolution -- but he can start to start it, and he can inspire others. I believe once the people begin to grow a little more of a backbone, as Chen has, then they will lean more toward independence as well.

Well, it's not that Taiwanese people won't WANT independence, it's that they can't get it, or if they could obtain it, they wouldn't have the power to maintain it. China's not a very nice nation, and they wouldn't be afraid to bring in their rebelling territory by use of force.

Anyway, I do have a bit of a problem with your statements, Leo Volont. I don't believe that Bush wants to take over the world, or be a conquerer of any kind. Yes, he wants to be remembered, but not that way. Afghanistan was raided in an attempt to find a man behind attacks that killed thousands of American citizens. Iraq is another story--the reasons behind the invasion of Iraq don't make sense. Yes, I believe that Saddam had WMD's, or was trying to obtain them. It's simply too easy to smuggle them out for us to say that they weren't there. No, I don't believe that he was directly involved in 9/11, and while Iraq likely did harbor terrorists, there are more vital nations to the terrorists that would have been better targets. I do think that Iraq should have been invaded--Saddam wasn't a nice guy, and his corrupt regime needed the overthrowing. But again, there are more corrupt nations to be taken care of first.

Beyond that--I'd say that America is already edging towards a second Cold War, this time with China. China is Communist (mostly), and America doesn't have a good history with Commies. And with China militarizing to the extent they have, and with all the nuke's they've got, I'd say they're an ample threat to our security. But I'd let things simmer down over time rather than bring it to outright war against China--for the simple reason that China isn't as obsessed with keeping face as America is, and they've got a lot more in terms of useable military personell than we could ever have, and while we're technologically better, that doesn't count for much when they outnumber you to that extent. The losses would simply be too much for us to go through in order to obtain a peace that could have been obtained by just letting things settle down over time. If we get some anti-nuke legislation passed so that we're both limited to a handful of ICBMs, and then eventually elliminate all of them, while slowly demilitarizing, we could defuse the situation without bloodshed. But conflict is inevitible--this world ain't big enough for the two of us.

As for our reliance on China, remember that the reliance is mutual. It's about all that's stopped us from going to war in the past. We import more Chinese goods than anyone else, and they rely heavily on our contributions to their economy. Cutting off trade with us would damage their economy significantly, and if we could talk Europe into cutting off trade as well (which is likely, since Europe would have public relation trouble if they tried to uphold a Communist China, regardless of the impact that the trade changes would have on their economy) then China would be half-dead and bleeding profusely.




Anyway. That went off-topic fast.

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That went off-topic fast.[/b]

Yes -- although by golly, I believe you've found the link to everything!

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Cutting off trade with us would damage their economy significantly, and if we could talk Europe into cutting off trade as well (which is likely, since Europe would have public relation trouble if they tried to uphold a Communist China, regardless of the impact that the trade changes would have on their economy) then China would be half-dead and bleeding profusely.

The Taiwanese WILL be independent, and the reason they will is because of a future goods embargo on China from the US and Europe. China will be crippled, and unable to assert any power over Taiwan, which will declare its independence.

...and this will all happen by July 6, 2009.

SWEET!

Welcome to DV's tony and Cutie4life..

Precog.. dreams are very rare.. but thats an extrodinary gift you have. I wonder with a gift like that and the power to Lucid Dream, the possibilities will be mind-boggling..

Yes, a trade embargo on China would be crippling, but Taiwan wouldn't yet be out of its sphere of influence. Even with an economic blow like that, China would have SOME military left, and a fraction of a fraction of China's army is enough to run Taiwan into the dust.

Originally posted by Tsen
Yes, a trade embargo on China would be crippling, but Taiwan wouldn't yet be out of its sphere of influence. Even with an economic blow like that, China would have SOME military left, and a fraction of a fraction of China's army is enough to run Taiwan into the dust.

Well, then what kind of event could -- let's just say hypothetically, but still realistically -- prevent China from wiping Taiwan off the face of the Earth if they felt so inclined?

Well, that's something that I'd have to think about for a bit, but for the moment, all I can think of is a war. War would sufficiently distract enough of China's military that Taiwan could do whatever the hell it wanted with no fear of opposition. 'Least till the war ends. Then China would probably just go back and crush them anyways.
One other possibility is that if Taiwan was sufficiently backed up in their fight for freedom by other nations, China might decide not to interfere to avoid war or trade profit loss. Still, that's a bit iffy since nobody really has any strong urges to stare China down right now. They're not exactly a military you'd like to go up against, and most everybody's content with the status quo for the moment.

Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see how everything works out...we might just be surprised.

When you dream, you can access your sub and ,very rarely, your super consciousness.

Another point is that if you can see future events, it would bring into play the concept of pre-destiny.

Originally posted by monty mike
When you dream, you can access your sub and ,very rarely, your super consciousness.

Another point is that if you can see future events, it would bring into play the concept of pre-destiny.

I can deduce what a "super conscious" is -- but what's "pre-destiny"?

Strange. Something like this happened to me. Let me post a piece of my dream journal in here so you can see. (I keep mine on my PC)

Dream:

It was a short dream. I was at school. (Person A) and a bunch of other people I don’t like, people like (people b, c, and d). They were by the pool watching a PE class come out. One girl walked by and they hurt her feelings badly. I decided to help and ran after her. I called once and she did not stop. I called again and she turned around. I told her how I didn’t feel the way (A, B, C, and D) did. She opened her mouth but before she could say anything the dream ended. Because dad woke me up.

End of Dream

Interpretation:

Maybe I need to help somebody for a change instead of people helping me with problems like that. Mysteriously, (My Spanish Teacher) was angry at (A B C and D) during Spanish when they went to the Dean’s office the next day (9/14/05) because she said that they hurt a girl’s feelings very badly and that she went home. (My Teacher) even started crying. She told us the story with the nerd and the football player. She told us to help these people. I walked out of the class bewildered, because it was so much like my dream. I feel like since because I wasn’t at my locker at the same time (person A) and the others were that day, nor at the same time I dreamed, I think I missed the “upset girl.” Maybe I should look tomorrow……just in the strange case the dream was the future. (I couldn't find her)