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First let me introduce myself.
I am a newbie here. I have had a lucid dream just 5 times after trying for so long. My main attention goes towards OBE. What is it???. :shock: :shock:
That is my first experience. Please help me anyone :? :?
I have been doing it for a long time but i have that very recently.
Welcome to DV, byte_bye :)
First off, since you are not awake and the brain is not receiving external stimulus (not using waking senses), things tend to change a lot and can often look very different, just like your hand did when you looked at them. Don't worry, though. Just use it as another sign that you are dreaming.
Anyway, I don't know about OBEs, so I don't know how helpful I can be in that regard. Good luck with lucid dreaming and I hope you can get your questions answered here.
-Amé
Hello Byte_Bye.
I may be able to help out a little here. OK, first of all, I'm pretty sure that when you opened your eyes (after becoming aware that you were dreaming) you had already separated from your physical body - although you were still in it. Let's say you were "out of coincidence" with your physical body.
Now, when it comes to OBEs, don't be surprised to see unusual things like what you described with your hand. When looking at your non-physical body, either directly, or in a reflection, you can almost count on there being something odd about what you see. This isn't always the case, but it is common.
As for turning a Lucid Dream into an OBE...
Firstly, you have to still be in the dream (naturally). I don't say that to be a smart ass, I say it because, as I said above, from your description of events, I'm thinking that you had already slipped out of your body in the moment you became lucid. IF however you do find yourself lucid within a dream in the future, there is a very simple technique to turn it into an OBE:
Pass through any solid, panel-like object, like a door, a wall or a window, and when you come out the otherside - *pop* - you will be out of body. Simlple, no? I don't know why it works, but apparently it does.
You can also try thinking of your physical body once lucid in a dream. It's likely you'll suddenly find yourself back in it. From there you can perform a traditional 'exit', with all the bells and whistles.
Oh, Wait! I just remembered another one. Once you become lucid, fly directly upwards, as high as you possibly can. Apparently you'll end up flying right out of your body! I'm yet to try this one but it sounds like fun. :D
And if none of those work, then try simply stating your intention to be out of body. And Hey Presto! You're Out of Body! This is one of the ways I've used to get things done while out of body, and it works like a charm when all else fails.
I hope this has helped. Keep us posted as to your progress.
Happy Travelling! :okbyenow:
Yep. Any statement that's affirming in that way would pretty much do it. The reason I say try it last though is that affirmations (in the astral) don't always have an effect. Or, they can have really bizarre effects! :eek:
Abyss, to me it sounds like you are giving instructions on how to Astal Project, not OBE. I have walked through many solid objects in LDs and never popped anywhere.
I think alot of people are misinformed about OBEs :shakehead2: But it's an eternal debate I suppose.
Hi Aquanina.
The thing is, OBE is pretty much any disassociation from the physical body. Astral Projection (in my opinion) is a more specific instance of OBE, where one consciously makes the experience happen, and moves around the Astral, rather than the Real Time Zone. Some say that only when you're out of body in the RTZ is it an OBE. But, as you said, it's an eternal debate. Others say that you're not really 'out' at all, but rather, within. Interpret that one how you will.
In any case, yea, you can say that they're instructions on AP rather than OBE - or you could say it's both... or even neither. It's all so complicated. :roll:
I've heard of this technique used many times, I've never got around to trying it myself though, hence the "...apparently it does" part. Not all techniques work for everyone, and I know that when out of body/lucid dreaming, few things work the same way every single time. I think I alluded to that point somewhere in there. Besides, he asked "how", so I offered some methods.Quote:
Pass through any solid, panel-like object, like a door, a wall or a window, and when you come out the otherside - *pop* - you will be out of body. Simlple, no? I don't know why it works, but apparently it does. [/b]
No harm, no foul. :)
Oh course, abyss...everyone is welcome to their own opinions. ;) I just moved this thread into beyond dreaming forum b/c I thought it might get some more responses. And I just thought you were describing APing because those things that you mentioned I have read several times as a means to AP while in an LD, but AP is different from having a real OBE...in an AP you simply project onto a higher Astral Plane whereas in a real OBE your consciousness is actually leaving the body.
Anyway, I don't believe that you can have a REAL OBE so close to that waking state. A real OBE would only occur in your deepest stages of sleep...where few people have the ability to retain control and is why they are often associated with near death experiences. If you want to try to induce an OBE I would suggest doing so by this: after you are lucid, lay down and either meditate or try to induce another lucid dream within the one you are already in. You see, the further you get down into your consciousness, the closer you get to actually having a shot at leaving your body.
For months I thought I was having OBEs...they would occur sort of in between wake and a lucid dream and I would wake up in sleep paralysis and try to get out of my body. Some times my body weighed so much I could only get my head or arms raised up...other times I would find myself floating up out of my body. However these experiences occur in the hypnotic stages before a real dream and are actually fake OBEs, not real. So when you talk about how your hand raised up like that to me it sounds like this is what you were probably experiencing. I realized that these were just dreams and not real OBEs because things in my room would be different, in a real OBE everything would be the exact same.
Well that, to me, sounds like everyone's description in their "real" obe's... Minus the fact that you decided to verify the experience by carefully studying your surroundings.Quote:
Originally posted by Aquanina
For months I thought I was having OBEs...they would occur sort of in between wake and a lucid dream and I would wake up in sleep paralysis and try to get out of my body. Some times my body weighed so much I could only get my head or arms raised up...other times I would find myself floating up out of my body. However these experiences occur in the hypnotic stages before a real dream and are actually fake OBEs, not real. So when you talk about how your hand raised up like that to me it sounds like this is what you were probably experiencing. I realized that these were just dreams and not real OBEs because things in my room would be different, in a real OBE everything would be the exact same.
Anyways, I have lucid dreams all of where I start in my bedroom and continue to move in and around my house but there are "dreamlike" characteristics to some things (like some things being different from their real state or me being able to interact with people). Now, would some people consider this "Astral Projection?" Just because I am able to dream about myself "waking up" in my actual location and venturing out? Sure I may not undergo the "vibrational stage" (WILD?) but insn't the result the same though I just consider it a LD?
Indeed, the topic is very debatable.
A lot of dream and supposedly OBE experience is based on person's perception and EXTREMELY biased cause of person's beliefs.
There's a stigma attached to dreaming: anything that person sees in his/her dreams is *not* real. In a world dominated by science people dont respect dreams.
At the same time if you alter the words a little bit and say that you "do OOBE" or "astrally project", you can impress much more people then by saying "I lucidly dream"....
Of course people who learn from books on "OOBE" want to see blurry pictures, want their OOBEs to start in their room. They want/expect to be glued to their body... As a result, that's what is happening!
I believe there's *VERY* few people who experience genuine OOBEs or Astral projection and a lot of people who are misguided....
That's just it. They think they are having OBEs and get encouragement from other people who are misguided in the same way so continue thinking this way...sometimes I have to step in and say something, other times I will let them go on believing what they want.Quote:
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I believe there's *VERY* few people who experience genuine OOBEs or Astral projection and a lot of people who are misguided....[/b]
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Well that, to me, sounds like everyone's description in their \"real\" obe's... Minus the fact that you decided to verify the experience by carefully studying your surroundings.
haven't read this entire thread...
byte byte the best information is to lay down and try to have an obe as normal in your dream and it might happen in real life. The other is become lucid in a dream, and exit the dream and quickly try to move yourself in waking life, hopefully you will be in sleep paralysis and will be able to attempt an obe from here.
I think you should PM Clairity with this thread. Hopefully she will see this thread because she knows a lot on the subject.
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Originally posted by Aquanina
That's just it. They think they are having OBEs and get encouragement from other people who are misguided in the same way so continue thinking this way...sometimes I have to step in and say something, other times I will let them go on believing what they want.
Reading all this is extremely entertaining. With age, and experience, one of the most most important lessons learned is that the elixir of youth is often misinterpreted as the manna of wisdom.
What, exactly, do you mean? It sounds like you are claiming a wealth of knowledge on the validity of OBE's. I am assuming you must have had "OBE's" before, so have you tried experiments to validate them? I don't think it is impossible to replicate an almost flawless version of reality in an LD because we live in it every day. The only way I've ever seen of validating an obe is the book method, which is where you leave an open book somewhere in your room. This book would have to be something you've never read before, and you would have to read some text and verify it after the experience is over. I do believe OBE is possible, and perhaps they can have "elements of the astal" in them, but for someone to claim that they've had one I think they should pass a rock solid test like this.Quote:
Originally posted by Aneas
Reading all this is extremely entertaining. *With age, and experience, one of the most most important lessons learned is that the elixir of youth is often misinterpreted as the manna of wisdom.
PS: you can also do this in a dream...you know S**-***, b/c Splash & I have read open books b4, & when we rise in the morning, we flip the pages! So it is also possible to do this in a special type of dream.Quote:
Originally posted by Jrels
What, exactly, do you mean? It sounds like you are claiming a wealth of knowledge on the validity of OBE's. I am assuming you must have had \"OBE's\" before, so have you tried experiments to validate them? I don't think it is impossible to replicate an almost flawless version of reality in an LD because we live in it every day. The only way I've ever seen of validating an obe is the book method, which is where you leave an open book somewhere in your room. This book would have to be something you've never read before, and you would have to read some text and verify it after the experience is over. I do believe OBE is possible, and perhaps they can have \"elements of the astal\" in them, but for someone to claim that they've had one I think they should pass a rock solid test like this.
Ehem...yeah Aneas I would be interested to hear your take on it. And Jrels, I tried to validate my OBEs by using a photo album instead and placed it right by my bedside and would flip to a random page with my eyes closed so that all I had to do in my OBE was lift my head up and look at the picture. Then wake up and see if it was the right picture.
It never worked. Something would always go wrong...sometimes the book wouldn't even be there, sometimes I couldn't get my head to turn to look at the book...etc. etc. I tried this several times. Finally one "OBE" I lifted my head and was about to try to look at the photo album when I saw a three foot tall jack rabbit wearing prison stripes leaning over my bed and staring at me with this horribly creepy grin. I think it was my subconscious finally telling me "hey dumbass! you are dreaming!!!" LOL. I took the hint.
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Originally posted by Aquanina
Ehem...yeah Aneas I would be interested to hear your take on it. And Jrels, I tried to validate my OBEs by using a photo album instead and placed it right by my bedside and would flip to a random page with my eyes closed so that all I had to do in my OBE was lift my head up and look at the picture. Then wake up and see if it was the right picture.
It never worked. Something would always go wrong...sometimes the book wouldn't even be there, sometimes I couldn't get my head to turn to look at the book...etc. etc. I tried this several times. Finally one \"OBE\" I lifted my head and was about to try to look at the photo album when I saw a three foot tall jack rabbit wearing prison stripes leaning over my bed and staring at me with this horribly creepy grin. I think it was my subconscious finally telling me \"hey dumbass! you are dreaming!!!\" LOL. I took the hint.
Uhh...that's right! Well, even if you read the book & go back to reread it, then flip the pages, it still doesn't count, as Splash & I do it. If there is a dream symbol in it (such as that weird extended sash), then it is still a dream. Well said, Aquanina! :D
I have written a few posts on my experiences. It would help you come to a better understanding on where I stand if you researched them.
OBE's are real and there is no true way to force an OBE. I have tried to force OBE's after I had a few and it never was successful. OBE's just happen to you. Most people don't even know that they have them when they do. OBE's happen at chance and you have to wait for them. They come to you.
Yeah, just like when I had LDs....they just happened when I was 3.....Quote:
Originally posted by Yume
OBE's are real and there is no true way to force an OBE. I have tried to force OBE's after I had a few and it never was successful. OBE's just happen to you. Most people don't even know that they have them when they do. OBE's happen at chance and you have to wait for them. They come to you.
Also....you don't seriously think I have those(& I don't mean LDs), do you Yumehttp://img161.echo.cx/img161/5950/yikes3ju.gif? B/c I believe that you can actually read real books in a S**-**
I don't know if you have had LD's since you were 3. I can't remember that far back, but I bet I was LDing then too. I have all my life. I really can't say whether you can LD or not and I will not assume anything.Quote:
Originally posted by nesgirl119
Yeah, just like when I had LDs....they just happened when I was 3.....
Also....you don't seriously think I have those, do you Yumehttp://img161.echo.cx/img161/5950/yikes3ju.gif? B/c I believe that you can actually read real books in a S**-**
I was talking about OBEs, not LDing! Of course I know that I have LDed all my life....I am not that dense! :wink:Quote:
Originally posted by Yume
I don't know if you have had LD's since you were 3. I can't remember that far back, but I bet I was LDing then too. I have all my life. I really can't say whether you can LD or not and I will not assume anything.
You said LD's.Quote:
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I was talking about OBEs, not LDing! Of course I know that I have LDed all my life....I am not that dense! :wink:[/b]
Yeah, just like when I had LDs....they just happened when I was 3.....
I doubt that you would remember an OBE if you did. It is hard for humans to remember that much memory over so many years. I don't think that you would have an OBE at that young so no I don't, but you could have. I just don't think so.
Sorry...I got my words mixed up again :oops: !Quote:
Originally posted by Yume
You said LD's.
I doubt that you would remember an OBE if you did. It is hard for humans to remember that much memory over so many years. I don't think that you would have an OBE at that young so no I don't, but you could have. I just don't think so.
Well, I had fake ones in my middle school years, & I have a type of dream I call S**-F*. I don't know too much about them, but I do know I can just go on ahead & leave an unread 2 pages of a book out, read it in the S**-**, then I go flip the pages later, b/c I already read the 2 pages..... :P Well, I think it is possible to do that in a LD if you are advanced enough!
I do not believe that any OBE's are triggered by dreaming. All of my OBE's happened when I was awake. I doubt what you call Sci-Fi's are OBE's.Quote:
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Sorry...I got my words mixed up again :oops: !
Well, I had fake ones in my middle school years, & I have a type of dream I call S**-F*. I don't know too much about them, but I do know I can just go on ahead & leave an unread 2 pages of a book out, read it in the S**-**, then I go flip the pages later, b/c I already read the 2 pages..... :P Well, I think it is possible to do that in a LD if you are advanced enough!
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I do not believe that any OBE's are triggered by dreaming. All of my OBE's happened when I was awake. I doubt what you call Sci-Fi's are OBE's.
That is a relief!!! :) BTW, Sci-fis do happen b4 my mind falls asleep! Usually, I am almost asleep, but I get restless, so I struggle in reality! I stumped you on that one, but almost anyone can enter a dream while awake! :D So :takethatfoo: