Lucid Dreams, OBEs, and Idiocy.

It has come to my attention that more and more people claim they have managed to separate themselves from their bodies and float around the environment. In other words, have experienced an "out of body" episode. What strikes me as odd is that none of these people will admit the possibility that this was simply sleep paralysis and hypnagogic imagery followed by a dreamscene. While I do accept the possibility of Out of Body experiences, I do not believe that a great amount of people have experienced them. Therefore, individuals who claim they have OBEs should definitely "test" their state when they have these experiences.

When you "separate" yourself from your body, find a digital clock in the environment. Focus on the numbers, look away, and look back. If the numbers do not change, wow, you have actually separated yourself from your body and are observing reality through a non-physical body. If the numbers do change.. then it is nothing but a dream, and you have been fooled.

Try it. Can't hurt, right? :D

Interesting D.O. but I really did think I exprienced a OBE once or twice.

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Originally posted by Kajtek Arjinder
Interesting D.O. but I really did think I exprienced a OBE once or twice.

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Many think that too. :wink:

Since it happend before any of my lucid dreams I can't really judge it 100% I would have to try it next time I have a LD.

A better test is to open a book or other piece of unread literature and set it down near you before you "seperate". read some of the text through your non-physical "eyes", then when you wake up, re-read it and if it the same than its legit

Man I have been wanting to start a topic about this for AWHILE. But yeah D.O. you are absolutely right. I was one of those people who thought I was experiencing OBEs this way until I tried to actually PROVE it by using a photo album. I would lay down and place the photo album on my nightstand and flip to a random page without looking. Then I would try to look at the photo during my "OBE" experience and would prove to the whole world that I WAS HAVING OBEs!!

Well let's see...one time the book wasn't even there. Other times I couldn't get my head to turn to look at the photo album...other times I would float up off my bed and would completely miss even a chance at looking at the photo. Then...this ONE TIME I was having an "OBE" and I remembered to look at the photo album...but instead...there was a 4 foot tall jack rabbit wearing prison stripes leaning over my bed, staring at me with this awful creepy grin. Reminds me of a character from Dark Wonderland (see my sig below). Anyway...think it MIGHT have been my subconsious saying...HEY DUMBASS!!! THESE ARE JUST DREAMS!!!!!!!!

Anyway, I let go of any though that I was experiencing obes. I hope that you guys who think you have experienced an OBE during light sleep, just try to prove it...for yourselves. And I hope you guys realize that real OBEs can only occur in the deepest stages of sleep, where few are truly able to become consious. I do believe that they exist, but I think ALOT of people are misguided about them. I have never had a real one.

My Question to you D.O. is have you tried to do this technique with clock during one of your OBE's?

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Originally posted by D. O.
It has come to my attention that more and more people claim they have managed to separate themselves from their bodies and float around the environment. In other words, have experienced an \"out of body\" episode. What strikes me as odd is that none of these people will admit the possibility that this was simply sleep paralysis and hypnagogic imagery followed by a dreamscene. While I do accept the possibility of Out of Body experiences, I do not believe that a great amount of people have experienced them. Therefore, individuals who claim they have OBEs should definitely \"test\" their state when they have these experiences.

When you \"separate\" yourself from your body, find a digital clock in the environment. Focus on the numbers, look away, and look back. If the numbers do not change, wow, you have actually separated yourself from your body and are observing reality through a non-physical body. If the numbers do change.. then it is nothing but a dream, and you have been fooled.

Try it. *Can't hurt, right? :D

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Eager to criticise hm? Your infallible logic has swayed me to your viewpoint O grand sage! It's not like we haven't all heard this argument before. I was even a supporter of this viewpoint before my first OBE. Look at me now...

I support the D. O.'s point of view. He might have used somewhat harsh words, but in the essence he's correct. Too many ppl are absolutely misguided in their views on OBEs/Astral projection and whatever else. The bad thing is that they involve more and more ppl and spread their ignorance.

i wouldnt choose a digital clock as an OBE check.

Back in the day when I was interested in this OBE stuff I conducted numerous experiments - whenever I had a WILD and it started in my bed, I went outside and checked a number plate on a random car. Needless to say that they *NEVER* even followed the number plate format of any state. It was just a bunch of numbers. Other tests such as reading and observing dream world also proved wrong.


Important point is: No matter how real your OBE/astral Projection feels, it is not a projection until you prove it to *yourself*... Dont be fooled into thinking you had an OBE/ Astral Projection, as it wont serve any good purpose except to inflating your ego...


Lucid dreams can take many forms and some will resemble whatever you read about in OBE books and first hand experiences.... Some methods of entering WILD will alter the experience making it more alien then a regular dream, yet it doesnt mean anything!

I think Ev said everything I was trying to say...just alot better. ;)

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Originally posted by Berserk_Exodus



Eager to criticise hm? *Your infallible logic has swayed me to your viewpoint O grand sage! *It's not like we haven't all heard this argument before. *I was even a supporter of this viewpoint before my first OBE. *Look at me now...

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No, I'm not criticizing, rather simply advising those who claim to have OBEs to take a better "look." Whether or not people have heard this argument before is of no relevance. I'm sure there are topics in other threads which have already been addressed in earlier threads. I don't have time to look at every single thread in all of the 30 pages in each category. Besides, this thread hasn't killed anyone so calm down.

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Originally posted by ShadowNightWing
My Question to you D.O. is have you tried to do this technique with clock during one of your OBE's?

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I've had several "WILDs" but I've never actually seen my body lying in bed during any of these episodes, so no. If it ever happens, I'll do it.

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Originally posted by pOOp
A better test is to open a book or other piece of unread literature and set it down near you before you \"seperate\". read some of the text through your non-physical \"eyes\", then when you wake up, re-read it and if it the same than its legit

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Hmm, I really don't see how that could be better.

Hey D.O. just so you know...I'm not trying to be critical but try not to double post. You can edit your posts to add to them if you like rather than posting 3 times in a row. ;)

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Originally posted by Aquanina
Hey D.O. just so you know...I'm not trying to be critical but try not to double post. You can edit your posts to add to them if you like rather than posting 3 times in a row. ;)

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Alright, no problem.

I compleely share DO's skepticism. I think it is a very probable hypothesis there is nothing verifiable that OOBEs are any experience "apart" from the body.

After having a very distinct experience that felt nothing like a dream, I was sure I had an OOBE. I tried all sorts of teachings and techniques to try and get "back" to that place and I had no success. Then it happened again, without trying, and thereafter my focus was to find a way to prove this experience was "real" as soon as I got back.

The few experiences since then have been fairly brief and not easily replicable but so amazingly real-- nothing like I was dreaming--and distinctly different than being fully awake although I could perceive I wasn't where I expected myself to be when awake.

I think my need to prove it to myself was wrapped up in my loss of faith in the religion of my upbringing. I wanted so desperately to believe there was still some thing apart from tangible reality. Now I don't really care. And the OBEs I don't much care if they really are what believers say they are. I am as comfortable in their hypothesis as the hypothesis it is nothing more than sleep paralysis or a dream experience so different than usual dream experiences--even LDs.

For me, I'd love to find a technique to have these experiences more often. They are exhilarating and feel as real to me as touching this computer as I write. I just enjoy experiencing that altered experience regardless of the reality that defines it.

Yep, I agree with the sentiment.
OOBE may exist, but without a doubt I believe MOST of the experiences are just very impressive LD's.

Their usual argument is that it feels completely different. I find that amusing when someone who realises the tenuousness of our perception reality (by having an LD before) believes that our senses can't be fooled into THINKING we have an OOBE :P

I'd also like to hear from more people TESTING it by eg. opening a book.

(PS: I haven't read the entire thread, sorry if I'm being annoying)

Hey! Isn't it possible to read a real time book in a LD??? B/c Splash & I do it all the time in LDs that I call S**-***... If that isn't possible, then I must be getting more wisdom teeth! :lol: