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      The Problem with Scientists is that they are imbalanced. They are 'Rainmen'. They have no social skills. Its all just a math problem to them. They can think up a Nuclear Warhead, but it never would occur to them that there could be any moral ramifications down the line.

      Einstein used to walk to Class across the Princeton Quads while having forgotten to put his pants on. Can we really expect Moral Responsibility from such Super-Idiot Savants?

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      Originally posted by Placebo
      ...But it was Okay for those pricks to construct Nuclear Weapons..
      Sure, nobody said scientists were little angels. The problem really is that discoveries like paranormal abilities won't happen if scientists are too scared to post findings on it [/b]
      yeah, I suppose we did get off track for minute.

      You know, there was a staff of some 40 Physicians in France who did Pre-Validation Investigations for the Vatican -- Cures at the Shrine in Lourdes. These Doctors were Scientists, in their own way, and they established a Protocol that would pass any peer review. The investigations were so rigourous that few Miracle Candidates could stand the years of follow up investigation, as well as provide the preliminary documentation of Mortal or Permanent Disability prior to Cure. But they have Certified some 40 or 50 Miracles.

      Peer review refused to even look at the Files. They said that any team of doctors that would consider validating 'a miracle' was already tainted by partiality. The only way a Scientist can be 'impartial' is to guarantee the answer of "no".

      At a certain point, mainstream Scientists will simply have to be ignored.

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      Originally posted by Leo Volont
      The Problem with Scientists is that they are imbalanced. They are 'Rainmen'. They have no social skills. Its all just a math problem to them.
      Wow, what a sweeping generalisation, Leo, your going on stereotypes here, never a good idea. Not all scientists have no social skills, on fact, most of the scientists I know have better skills. But this is beside the topic, so back on topic, I personally do not believe in them, I did do some looking into them myself a few months back, I was by no means convinced by what I found.

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      Originally posted by Alex D


      Wow, what a sweeping generalisation, Leo, your going on stereotypes here, never a good idea. Not all scientists have no social skills, on fact, most of the scientists I know have better skills. But this is beside the topic, so back on topic, I personally do not believe in them, I did do some looking into them myself a few months back, I was by no means convinced by what I found.
      I'm not talking about the career drudges.

      I'm talking about the Fountainheads -- the Idiot Savants. Not the worker bees. If it had been up to the worker bees, believe me, we never would have had The Bomb.

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      Originally posted by Leo Volont
      I'm not talking about the career drudges.

      I'm talking about the Fountainheads -- the Idiot Savants. Not the worker bees. If it had been up to the worker bees, believe me, we never would have had The Bomb.
      That's partially true. It was Einstein who discovered the mathematical relationship that describes the interconversion of mass and energy. But you can't "undiscover" science. Nor should you hide or keep secret scientific discoveries - that only begs that the information be misused in the hands of the few privy to it. Your ignorance of science and the scientific process is truly astounding. If the US had not invented the atomic bomb, Germany would have. Or Russia a bit later. All industrialized countries would have invested as many of their resources as possible to be the first to utilize Einstein's famous E=mc^2 relationship in a practical and hugely destructive way. It was a logical progression of political maneuvering. Each country desires the best and most effective weapons during times of war and uncertainty in order to protect itself. The US just happened to the first to develop those weapons during WWII. Don't indulge your naïve theories by believing that if Einstein hadn’t worked on the bomb, it would never have been invented, or that if Einstein hadn’t discovered the unity that is massenergy, the atomic bomb would never have been conceived. If it weren’t Einstein who formulated the theory of special relativity, it would have been someone else – maybe 20 or 50 years later, but still the discovery would have come. You cannot silence progress by silencing a single person.

      And if you’d like to get rid of all the world’s scientists, why don’t you come over here and start with me. I hope you enjoy living in a world where children across the globe die of measles, mumps, and polio; where a broken leg can be a death sentence, and your life is in jeopardy if you get bitten by a mosquito or even scratch your arm; where sanitation is unheard of and the water you drink mingles with that which you excrete; where your food breeds maggots and a single bad season can bring famine to millions. Imagine Europe in the 1200s and Africa today. Imagine living there. Go live in the devastated countries of Africa that modern medicine and science have forgotten or ignored. Go live there and then come back and tell me you’d like all of the scientists gone because they don’t believe your claim that you can suck energy from the earth and form it into a glowing ball in your hands.
      “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”
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      uhhh...are we still talking about if psi abilities are real or not......cuz now im just confused...

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      LOL!!!!! Well said Perigrinus.

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      Any documented psi ablility falls under the category of psuedoscience or something like it. If there was any such thing we would all know about it, and all believe in it. Just like we all know and believe in gravity.
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      I could then respond to that with something like.. "Gravity is one of Leo's Psi abilities, didn't you know that?"

      Of course you'd think I was nuts.. but it proves a point in a way by saying, "Perhaps you don't believe in it because it doesn't make sense to, you don't understand it."

      Perigrinus, if it wasn't for scientists.. the human race would be stronger today then ever. Its because of your cures for measles that we now have a weakened gene pool. Yet people wonder why there's so much cancer. Oh no, it would make sense to blame their cellphones, or their zero-calorie sweetner for that. People would rather blame something that can be safely blamed. Wouldn't it be insane if I called pennicillan a horrible invention, yet because of it we now have antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria.

      We came from a world that was natuarally regulated, and took it over. I don't deny it was inevidable, everything happened for a reason. The end is coming however, the bomb is one of the least of our worries.

      Too much nowadays do we only see one side of the story. Einstein was a savant, a genious in mathematics and science. However, when it came to common sense, he was as dumb as a box of rocks, as one story goes he took his boat out and the engine died. Well, he almost did too, anyone who has any idea about boating should know to have a form of backup plan, a spare engine or an oar, he had none of this and ended up being stranded. He could have died that day, but as fate would have it he lived. It was a double-edged sword though.. If he lived the world would get the bomb and the end of WWII, if he died, germany would have gotten it first and the Nazis would have more then likely ran over most of the world.

      This thread has nothing to do with Psionics.. but whatever.
      Just keep moving…

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      We're meant to be talking about whether psi abilities exist or not, which is why I created this thread for the current discussion on scientists: Should scientists take an oath?

      Originally posted by TheUnknown
      This thread has nothing to do with Psionics.. but whatever.
      Agreed. I created the other thread to keep this discussion alive in it's own space. Wouldn't it make sense to use it?
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      TheUnknown,

      See my reply here
      “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”
      - Voltaire (1694 - 1778)

      The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world's problems.
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      Here is what the Skeptic's Dictionary has to say about Prahlad Jani .

      http://skepdic.com/news/newsletter34.html

      Gullibility of the week award

      Duncan Gill referred us to an article in The Australian about a man in India who claims he hasn't eaten or taken a drink in 68 years, a veritable inediate. Prahlad Jani also claims he hasn't gone to the bathroom in all those years. The story claims that Mr. Jani (whose name means Lying Through My Holy Palate) was put under round-the-clock surveillance at a hospital. Neurologist Sudhir Shah (whose name means I Am Too Smart to Be Fooled) said Jani was under watch for 10 days with a closed-circuit camera running and they didn't see him eat or drink anything or go to the bathroom. The story was sent to The Australian by "correspondents in Ahmedabad, India" Ahmedabad means City of the Credulous and is the commercial capital of the western state of Gujarat (which means Gotcha!). When The Australian was contacted and asked if they had verified their sources' claims, they replied: "No. Why do you ask? It could be true, you know." Skeptics accuse Jani of surreptitiously sucking in prana through his nose ring.

      The award must be shared with the BBC, CNN, Der Spiegel, China Daily, and the Hindustan Times. All report that Jani says he survives without food or water because of a hole in his palate and that his followers call him "mataji" or goddess. He also says he has lived in caves since he was eight, so how he attracted a following is not known, nor is it clear how a man who lives in caves and doesn't eat grew in size from a child to an adult as if he were an eater.

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      Originally posted by TheUnknown
      I could then respond to that with something like.. \"Gravity is one of Leo's Psi abilities, didn't you know that?\"

      Of course you'd think I was nuts.. but it proves a point in a way by saying, \"Perhaps you don't believe in it because it doesn't make sense to, you don't understand it.\"

      Perigrinus, if it wasn't for scientists.. the human race would be stronger today then ever. Its because of your cures for measles that we now have a weakened gene pool. Yet people wonder why there's so much cancer. Oh no, it would make sense to blame their cellphones, or their zero-calorie sweetner for that. People would rather blame something that can be safely blamed. Wouldn't it be insane if I called pennicillan a horrible invention, yet because of it we now have antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria.

      We came from a world that was natuarally regulated, and took it over. I don't deny it was inevidable, everything happened for a reason. The end is coming however, the bomb is one of the least of our worries.

      Too much nowadays do we only see one side of the story. Einstein was a savant, a genious in mathematics and science. However, when it came to common sense, he was as dumb as a box of rocks, as one story goes he took his boat out and the engine died. Well, he almost did too, anyone who has any idea about boating should know to have a form of backup plan, a spare engine or an oar, he had none of this and ended up being stranded. He could have died that day, but as fate would have it he lived. It was a double-edged sword though.. If he lived the world would get the bomb and the end of WWII, if he died, germany would have gotten it first and the Nazis would have more then likely ran over most of the world.

      This thread has nothing to do with Psionics.. but whatever.
      err there has been studies and cell phones do cause brain damage, also "slenda" has been proven to cause cancer, iv never heard of this stuff about Einstein that your saying either, it might would help if you backed your comments up with why this stuff isn’t right, also i didn’t see why you went into that spill about Einstein anyway could you please explain?

      also heres the links to the studies:
      http://www.wired.com/news/wireless/0,1382,...2,57488,00.html

      http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/
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      It seems that it would be near impossible to convince the scientific community of certain paranormal abilities

      I strongly agree with this statement! it is the same reason why the government never tells us anything up to date!did you also know that on the history channel this government guy said that he cant tell us exactly how advanced we are but that he can say that anything youve read in a book we did ten years ago!
      some of the reasons they dont tell us this information is because we would freak out or terrorists would get ahold of this technology.



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      CONSPIRACY! CONSPIRACY! CONSPIRACY!

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      psi is real and is of everyda use. we see it al the itme, though we hardly recognize it. those who can do it won't tell or try to prove it to the ublic b/c the are feared of becoming the laugh of the town. i agree with them, it is dangerous to tel of your powers. but they are real.

      cd

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      Originally posted by cd27
      psi is real and is of everyda use. we see it al the itme, though we hardly recognize it. those who can do it won't tell or try to prove it to the ublic b/c the are feared of becoming the laugh of the town. i agree with them, it is dangerous to tel of your powers. but they are real.

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      Ditto! That is why Michelle & I just go to the meetings!

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      And now to be one of the only ones to answer the original question.

      PSI powers are not real.

      Thank you,
      incuBUSfan92

      P.S. Anyone who thinks PSI is real can either prove it or go to hell.

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      Originally posted by incubusfan92+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(incubusfan92)</div>
      P.S. Anyone who thinks PSI is real can either prove it or go to hell.[/b]
      Yeah, I think that Michelle & I would rather go to H*** than do that!!
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      B/c we didn't want to reveal anything about guess wizardry, S_____, or playing telephone!\"
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      Good point! I would rather be here than in an experiment center!!

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      as i said in another post, proof can not be done indirectly, you have to see it face to face. so, you have to do more research and test it yourself, for i can not, not for you, not for anyone. it is impossible to prove with modern technology.

      cd

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      Ah, I remember the days of gathering the Mystical Powers Guild.
      Telekinesis, Pyrokinesis, Aerokinesis, Hydrokinesis...etc.
      They're real but I've never seen anyone use them to a larger extent than making a straw or psi-wheel spin. Technically with practice these powers can be trained to levels of such power that the civilized world and modern society have never seen but I've not met anyone that has done so.
      Why haven't I persued training these powers? Because I've realized more, much more, and also because I don't care much for this life and world and am leaving as soon as I attain lucidity for one simple reason: lucidity is the key to the subsconsious and the subconscious is the gate to ultimate power and knowledge, to ultimate existance.

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      Originally posted by Peregrinus


      Oh damn, you figured us out! It's true -- all scientists are atheists. In fact, even to be admitted into the science departments of most universities, you have to undergo a super secret initiation ritual in which you swear to the Void that you will do your utmost to destroy religion and spirituality using any and all methods at your disposal. I even had to write my oath in the Bat Cave with the blood of a kitten I'd slaughtered...

      You got to use the blood of a kitten? I had to use pig's blood myself.

      Seriously folks, if Psi powers are as common as you all say, why have I not seen anything published in scientific journals? It is too convenient to yell coverup or conspiracy if science cannot prove their existance.

      This is not rocket science. We are not trying to establish how they work, only if they exist. Anyone who has had 8th grade science knows enough about the scientific method to formulate the experiment with the nesessary controls.
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      Originally posted by Seeker
      Anyone who has had 8th grade science knows enough about the scientific method to formulate the experiment with the nesessary controls.
      Now your talking.

      Fun experiment kids, do this in a scientific way and you might just convince me and others.

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      Same opinion here, Alex.

      Remember back in elementary where your teachers told you to show your work? Turns out that's necessary in real life too. Yup, something in school mattered. Sorry if a few of you weren't awake that day. Maybe you were spinning psi wheels in the corner when nobody was looking?

      Science isn't perfect. Saying so would be a monumental lie. It took YEARS for several ideas to be accepted, just because some scientists were so close minded as to deny the claims before examining them. But the ideas were eventually accepted.

      Here's the kicker: Physics, and in a way, science, doesn't change just because you are somewhere else. If you drop a rock in India, it'll obey gravity just like it does in Florida. If you've got an iPod, the circuits work the same way here in the USA as they do in the UK.
      But we can't say the same about religion or psi, can we?
      Religion has developed into millions of wide-spread beliefs. None are identical, and some are so far apart there are hardly enough similarities to call both a religion.
      Psi is the same way. There's millions of names for it, millions of supposed ways to utilize it, millions of people through the years claiming to have mastered it. But none have proved it. Some hide behind their veil of mysticism. "You can't understand it unless you believe it!"
      Naught but an excuse.

      Now, for the arguments against science. Creating inefficiencies in our immune systems, eh? Well, let's return to Africa for a moment. They were spared the hand of modernization for quite the while. Did it strengthen their immune systems? I'm not aware of it. Is Africa not the source of the highest number of AIDS cases in the modern world? And what about Ebola, one of the most deadly diseases known to man? I thought they were supposed to be immune to such things, since they obviously haven't had science around to meddle.
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      Fascinating read.

      First: Peregrinus - wow. Way to go! You've represented science well. Kudos! You've held it together at times I would have gone out of my way to create a new disease or class of weapon just to wipe-out humanity out of spite.

      I really do think there's a middle-ground here though.

      I think that many scientists have become full of themselves, just as have many of those in the pure-spiritual world. The extremes.

      There are a lot of those thought to be fringe-crazies that have begun (rightly) becoming mainstream. A lot that science couldn't explain is finding traction much to the dismay of old scientists who like to believe they know everything. Quantum Physics comes to mind... "If an old scientists tells you something is possible, he is almost certainly correct. If he tells you it's impossible, he is almost certainly wrong." (sorry - unable to attribute the quote atm)

      Einstein himself encouraged we keep an open mind, and "see as a child might".

      Until accepted science can explain all observed phenomena, I'm going to keep an open mind. This doesn't mean I'm going to toss scientific method out the window, thank you.

      I'm going to endeavor to follow Einstein and his ilk. Not to be one of the extremists (on either side) that make me want to scream in frustration.

      There are observable phenomena that have not been adequately explained. Much has opened to us in the realm of Quantum Physics and related work.

      To think you know everthing is to get yourself hurt or be every bit as delusional as the flakes on the other side of the table.

      A middle ground of "If you want me to accept it, show me and if I can't explain it through some other conventional means, I'll accept it." is where I like to remain. To the mystic-side of the extreme table: If you're not looking for acceptance than shut up and quit flaunting.

      Frankly, I wish the extremists on both sides would just kill each other and get out of the way of the class of people "getting it done" on both sides.

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