Thread: PSI abilities, ARE THEY REAL!?!

first of all, people back in the old days were big about calling ppl witches and hanging them, now, ppl are just skeptical and still call you witches and outcaste you. so, if you want your life, it's best not to go around blabbin it out in the public. so, proof is not around as much as you would like it, however, there are many books out there which have their own proof for experiments they have done. look them up.

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Placebo, I would like to read about your results. I would also like to suggest a couple of experiments.

Feel like starting an experiement with me in the research forum?

cd, nobody is on a witch hunt. Unfortunately the evidence in the Salem witch trials was based larely on hearsay with very little objective evidence. Sure, load someone down with rocks. If the float, they are a witch. A lot of innocent young women drowned that way I am sure.

All I am asking for here is reputible proof. Please post some links for us pointing to these experiments. I would like to examine them and see if they were performed with the proper rigor and had valid controls in place.

Anyone remember Cold Fusion?

Originally posted by Seeker
Placebo, I would like to read about your results. I would also like to suggest a couple of experiments.

Feel like starting an experiement with me in the research forum?

Yes, however if it requires time and for me to practice TK a bit again, it will probably have to wait until my life settles down.
I've realistically decided it'll only be properly bedded down in about Jan 2006

However, we can start discussing ideas in the meantime if you like.
I did attempt some experimentation in the research section, but very few people were interested. That was back when I had only recently started experimenting with TK, and wanted to see what others came up with.

for i have not the skill in technology to build my test equipment, and i do not have the money to build my equipment, and i know not people of professions who can help me. if i did, i culd provide you with a reliable tested experiment. however, if you do have these resources, i can give you an experiment that perhaps you can test on your own.

as i said in my theory, engulf a sphere in comlete electricity (or just try to get a magnetic field to surround it) and link that field up to a computer. now this is where you're gonna have to be good at computers. you have to make a program that tells the sphere in electricity to move to another location, or to dissapear, to become invisable. if you do this CORRECTLY, it should work. i think it was wirehead who mentioned that some people have tried this and it did not "jump into another dimension" that is because they did not program it to do that. you have to program it. that's why you send the program through the field.

i assure you, no one has ever attempted this experiment. they may have done one or the other of it, like surround a sphere in magnetic fireld, or made a computer program, but never have they mixed them together. if you can do this test, i would be honored by your abilities first of all, and i would be greatful fo ryour contribution ot my theory.

cd

Very simple experiment. All you need is a bell jar, vacuum pump, and two disks on a pivot.

Place both disks into the jar, pump all the air out, use Psi to spin each disk independantly of the other.
For example:
Spin disk one clockwise while disk 2 stays stationary.
Spin disk 2 counter clockwise while disk 1 remains spinning clockwise
Stop Disk1 while disc 2 remains spinning counterclockwise
Stop Disk2 with no effect to disk 1

Repeat about 10 times.

This experiment would go a long way to proving one aspect of Psi.

Where does one get a vacuum pump?
Anyway, already one difficulty there is that covered objects are more difficult to learn to do.
I haven't been able to move anything underneath a glass container so far
But it's worth working towards - the airless container sounds like an interesting idea. It would definitely tell us something about it.

that'll be an awesome experiment for psi....but it will not neccessarily prove psi works to the degree that i want. i want to use "premitive" ways to test this. i want to do the exact experiment that i described above. otherwise, it will not get the results i want. the results that it will give will be complete and absolute undefiable proof for not only the existence of psi, but it will prove my theory as well.

cd

Originally posted by cd27
... i want to do the exact experiment that i described above. otherwise, it will not get the results i want. the results that it will give will be complete and absolute undefiable proof for not only the existence of psi, but it will prove my theory as well.

cd

That is not science cd. You cannot set up the experiement to give the results you want. You must set up the experiment to be as impartial as possible, with all of the controls in place or else it is not valid. If your theory is proved, then it will be proved. If it is disproved, you can study and reforumlate the experiment and try again.

okay...you're kinda puttin words into my mouth here...not that i'm mad or nothin, just a bit aggrevated. when i say i want to get certain results i mean i want BETTER results than what that thing will give me. the results that experiment will give are not enough to get the kind of provable EVIDENCE i need to prove or disprove such things.

cd

>> as i said in my theory, engulf a sphere in comlete electricity (or just try to get a magnetic field to surround it) and link that field up to a computer. now this is where you're gonna have to be good at computers. you have to make a program that tells the sphere in electricity to move to another location,
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"Tell it" how?

What is the interface betwixt this sphere and the computer that you are invisioning?

You want an electromagneticly charged sphere. Check. The ball on a tesla coil. Gotcha. No problem. Give me an hour to dig one out of the garage. Kilovolts good enough or do you want megavolts of potential?

The problem here is that that's an inert object. One with a hell of a bite that you want to keep, for example: cats, bats, rats, kids, and pieces of wood away from.

But it's otherwise inert. There's no way for a computer to tell it to do anything outside of "switch on" and "switch off" and prehaps "voltage/current up" "voltage/current down"
And that's not really instructing the sphere to do anything, but rather a power-supply.

I mean, sure, I can slap an interface board in the sphere (after properly shielding said board) and send "t.u.r.n..i.n.v.i.s.i.b.l.e." to the interface... In EBCDIC if you like... But again that doesn't have much to do with the sphere...

So again, simply, what's the interface between the computer and the sphere? The protocol?

I have 20+ years of programming experience. A full electronics lab, a prototyping company on retainer, a dozen electronics engineers and half again as many senior programmers that report to me if I should get stuck.

OK, sorry. That was a clearer post btw.

I'm not trying to aggrevate, just to be precise. Words are such fickle things

Placebo,

A poor-man's low budget bell jar can be made simply with a plastic box, an old vacuum cleaner, a drill, some petroleum jelly, some glue, and a few minutes.

Drill a hole the approximate size ( a tiny bit smaller is good) of the hose on the vacuum in the plastic box. stick the hose in there and glue it in place. Spread jelly around bottom lip of box. Slap that down on the table or some other fairly smooth surface. Turn on the vacuum. Wait until the vacuum starts to sound strained. Voila! Bell jar.

A bell jar is a device for testing under negative air pressure.

Classic test, thanks, Seeker!

And partial success is still worth noting!!! "I can start the discs but can't stop them" or "I can make it through half the tests"

I'm ok with that too. Once you get there, let me know and I'll personally fly out to wherever you are with the appropriate equipment to document.

kimpossible (isn't that a cartoon show?) by telling the "electromagnetic field what to do" i mean input a "thought" into the field itself. now, you have to understand what a thought is (it's explained in my theory). it's basically a series of bits of information. an image may be all that's needed. or perhaps a location. just think of something like the human mind. how do you think? how is it that your brain can tell you to move your arm?

cd

Would you link this theory for me?

I specialize in neural networking. 95% of the patents I've filed have been in NN/AI.

The problem isn't sending impulses down a nervous system to make the arm go up or down. It sounds like you're asking for an imprint of the neural state of a human brain during this activity.

Unfortunately, that is atleast a hundred years from reality.

not if i have something to say....

here it is:

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20210

enjoy!

cd

Originally posted by kimpossible
I specialize in neural networking. 95% of the patents I've filed have been in NN/AI.

Hey, Cool! I've played with some neural networks before but have got to say that I've been neglecting my research into it lately (cough/cough 10 years)

Last things I played with were the little constructs in Creatures. How far has the field come say in the last 5 years? Any interesting networks out there I could download to my PC and interact with?

Someone just dumped a multi-page contract on my desk for review... So I can't give it any reasonable time at the moment. I'm most likely out this evening stuporvising an install.

Give me 48hrs and I'll revisit. I've copied/pasted the text and these two urls and email them to myself... So I won't let it slip away.

Hi Seeker,

The developments have really been in applying NN. Whereas even five years ago a few thousand connections was science fiction, now we can approach brains the size of a fly's. Computing horsepower and much more importantly ram size and speed (and network bandwidth/speed) have made massive leaps and bounds. As has our collective understanding of comparatively inexpensive supercomputing via massively parallel arrays of cheap consumer hardware. (As an example: In my last company I put together the 29th fastest supercomputer in the world for $105,000...)

My last "great" forray was in using several networks to "watch" video, and profile compression algorithms against different types of video at different bitrates and with every possible combination of settings within those CODECs. Then, after 18months of watching video and playing with codecs, it was able to watch video on the fly and assess the viewers connection and optimally compress that video for that user for the best possible experience.

The result was a 10:1 improvement in compression : quality using current generation codecs. Won a STAR (Superior Technology Acheivement Reward) at NAB (National Association of Broadcasters). And then sold the company to an international broadcast company. Now I'm off doing something else.

I haven't really followed the consumer-toys for NN. If you're looking for libraries to code around - sure, I can pointer you until we're both blue. Let me know!

Cool, I've been playing with different video compression techniques since the early VCD days.

We will have to talk on this.

Feel free to PM me or take it to my email!

Thanks for the info kimpossible
About the NN's, I'm soon to develop a software simulation tool, to simulate processes in 3D as well as GIS. Part of that is going to involve optimisation using NN's and GA's. Perhaps some reinforcement learning and swarming optimisations might come into it.

Unfortunately I suck at maths, but excel at logic and programming.
Would you mind if I PM you from time to time on ideas?

As for the bell jar experiment - sounds like a great idea, and it's definitely on my todo list.
Once my house is built, my car is sorted out, my computer system(s) at home are sorted and people stop dying - then I'll be back on my dozens of hobbies
That includes: LD glove, TK development, TK experimentation (where this goes), simulation software project, self-hypnosis, subliminal imaging program (needs a revamp), general AI experiments and my hand at helping a south africa online gaming community

Originally posted by kimpossible
Classic test, thanks, Seeker!

And partial success is still worth noting!!! *\"I can start the discs but can't stop them\" *or \"I can make it through half the tests\"

I'm ok with that too. *Once you get there, let me know and I'll personally fly out to wherever you are with the appropriate equipment to document.

Cool, fly from CA to South Africa. Man, I'd like to make that trip.

One other suggestion, place an airtight valve between the vacuum hose and the bell jar. We want to seal it off when vaccum has been achieved. It would introduce turbulence to have the vacuum running all the time.
Also, place an altimiter or similar device in the bell so that the integrity of the vacuum can be monitored. We wouldn't want air creeping in and disturbing things.

The Bell jar is simply a way to decouple the discs from each other and from the environment of the subject. If the subject can still exert an influence on the discs with them in a vaccum and seperated by a glass or plastic barrier then this possible puts the Psi effects in the electromagentic realm.

Next step as you suggested in another posting is to place the bell jar within a Farriday cage.

I'm sure somebody somewhere has HAD to have tried these experiements. I wish OMNI magazine was still in business, they used to publish all kinds of stuff like this.

Well, if you're interested in reading up on telekinesis experiments, google for 'James Conrad'
He's a scientist of sorts who reckons he has telekinetic ability, and has done some experimenting.

hmmmm.....this may be an interesting read. let me check it out and i'll see if i can stand it

cd