swinging bed obe technique?

i heard about an obe technique were you meditate for a while then start to imagine and create the feeling of the bed gently swinging from side to side like a hammock, slowly swinging more and more. and you practice this everynight each time getting better at it and being able to swing faster, higher and in more complex ways. then one day you should swing out of your body.
so its kind of like the bounceing consciousness technique.

has anyone else heard of this technique or done it?
what do you think of it?
and any tips for it?

I used to induce this feeling when I was a kid, I just stumbled across it, I'd imagine a giant had was slowly swaying my bed from side to side. I never had an obe from it but I was never able to do it for long as I only seemed to be able to feel it if I held my breath.
I may give it another go though, thanks for bringing this up :)

This has the possibility of working but expect it to take up to months to work, if at all...

Why? It's a far more intuitive and easily imagined (at least for me) sensation than the likes of Michael Raduga's 'Phantom wiggling'.

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Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

Why? It's a far more intuitive and easily imagined (at least for me) sensation than the likes of Michael Raduga's 'Phantom wiggling'.

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Creating the correct conditions to 'unlock' our astral/dreambody via this technique alone is very difficult. If you recall, this is one of Raduga's 'Direct Techniques' but only works if one is able to enter the 'free floating state of mind' as he puts it. Also, without any prior experience of having OBE's makes it even harder. A few well known techniques include energising the seven major chakras including raising kundalini energy before the separation technique to help 'unlock' the astral/dreambody.

I stumbled upon this one night, when just doing some rhytmic breathing with my mantra. On top of swinging, I got a water bed sensation. Also rotating, with my stomach being the axes of the rotation, so I felt like my body is flat in same laying position, just maybe 10-15 degrees out of place. Also as if my matress was on ball bearings moving back and forth with every inhale and exhale.

I guess you can try to create any of these sensations, as they all can help you 'get out'. I was never able to recreate it though. Good luck:)

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Originally Posted by mcwillis

Creating the correct conditions to 'unlock' our astral/dreambody via this technique alone is very difficult. If you recall, this is one of Raduga's 'Direct Techniques' but only works if one is able to enter the 'free floating state of mind' as he puts it. Also, without any prior experience of having OBE's makes it even harder. A few well known techniques include energising the seven major chakras including raising kundalini energy before the separation technique to help 'unlock' the astral/dreambody.

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I'd only ever use these sorts of visualisations accompanied by a free-floating state of mind. When I enter sufficiently deep levels of hypnagogia I start to spontaneously dissociate from my physical body as my attention lapses back and forth from my physical body and dream imagery. From there I think the swinging would be a very effective way of projecting your body image away from your physical body and into dreamspace.
I use the term projection lightly. As yet I've not been convinced about astral projection, I believe that all lucid dreaming phenomena to be constructs of the dreaming mind, OBEs resulting from a detachment of the brain's body image accompanied by hyper-realistic modelling of the local environment by the brain.
So I don't believe in 'unlocking' any energy body, simply bringing the body and mind into a sufficient level of sleep and dream onset to allow dream entry. But of course I respect your view as well, I'm more than willing to accept the existence of astral projection if I ever find myself in a position of having enough evidence to re-evaluate my current opinion :)

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Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

When I enter sufficiently deep levels of hypnagogia I start to spontaneously dissociate from my physical body as my attention lapses back and forth from my physical body and dream imagery. From there I think the swinging would be a very effective way of projecting your body image away from your physical body and into dreamspace.
I use the term projection lightly. As yet I've not been convinced about astral projection, I believe that all lucid dreaming phenomena to be constructs of the dreaming mind, OBEs resulting from a detachment of the brain's body image accompanied by hyper-realistic modelling of the local environment by the brain.
So I don't believe in 'unlocking' any energy body, simply bringing the body and mind into a sufficient level of sleep and dream onset to allow dream entry. But of course I respect your view as well, I'm more than willing to accept the existence of astral projection if I ever find myself in a position of having enough evidence to re-evaluate my current opinion :)

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You are describing a very good level of a trance state there which can lead to a successful OBE and would be a necessary component if that is all you would use before using the separation technique described in the opening post. Glad we cleared that up. I was just pointing out that the separation technique alone is very likely to fail. I also respect your views on the metaphysical aspects of these phenomena.

I used to do this a lot to help me get to sleep. I would imagine either being in a hammock or on a swaying boat. I liked it because the more I focused on it the more real it would feel, and it's very relaxing. I guess it could be used for OBE's just like the other techniques Michael Raduga has, let us know how it works if you try it.

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Originally Posted by mcwillis

You are describing a very good level of a trance state there which can lead to a successful OBE and would be a necessary component if that is all you would use before using the separation technique described in the opening post. Glad we cleared that up. I was just pointing out that the separation technique alone is very likely to fail. I also respect your views on the metaphysical aspects of these phenomena.

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I guess we're just giving different names to the same things :)

I found out pretty early on that you can't just employ separation techniques until you enter a dream, it just doesn't work that way. I think the most important thing about Raduga's work is how he stresses the free-floating state of mind, to successfully WILD you have to fall asleep (but consciously), a lot of people think that if you just lie still wide awake long enough you'll magically be presented with a lucid dream.

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Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

I used to induce this feeling when I was a kid, I just stumbled across it, I'd imagine a giant had was slowly swaying my bed from side to side. I never had an obe from it but I was never able to do it for long as I only seemed to be able to feel it if I held my breath.
I may give it another go though, thanks for bringing this up :)

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i was trying it last night and realised it was alot easier to use my breath to make it swing, it was going right when i breathed out and left when i breathed in, but this became annoying because my breath became in a wierd fast pattern.

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Originally Posted by mcwillis

Creating the correct conditions to 'unlock' our astral/dreambody via this technique alone is very difficult. If you recall, this is one of Raduga's 'Direct Techniques' but only works if one is able to enter the 'free floating state of mind' as he puts it. Also, without any prior experience of having OBE's makes it even harder. A few well known techniques include energising the seven major chakras including raising kundalini energy before the separation technique to help 'unlock' the astral/dreambody.

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why couldnt you meditate on the chakras for a while to unlock the energy body then peform the swinging bed technique?
i find it alot easier to feel than other techniques. when i do other techniques like feeling myself floating bobe my body i cant acctualy feel it, i just imagine i can feel it.
but with the swinging bed it feels so real, i actualy start to think my bed is moving.

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Originally Posted by Qwer

why couldnt you meditate on the chakras for a while to unlock the energy body then peform the swinging bed technique?

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This is what I started to practice some time ago and after a week I could get a partial separation.

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Originally Posted by mcwillis

This is what I started to practice some time ago and after a week I could get a partial separation.

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what did you start to practice? chakra meditation then what?

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Originally Posted by Qwer

what did you start to practice? chakra meditation then what?

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Chakra energising and raising kundalini energy.