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      Exclamation i REALLY need help, I'm in way over my head!!!!

      Please, I need advice and direction, what I experienced last night went so far beyond my scope of knowledge and understanding of the 'astral plane' or the 'spirit world' and I would truly appreciate whatever help you have to offer.

      So I just posted a thread a few days ago about how I have began to start astral projecting. Before last night I had only gotten to the point of leaving my body and hovering a few feet above it for a little before returning. After this had started happening frequently I came back on this website to try and find out more about it and I read something someone had said about going to another part of the room away from my body so that I don't get sucked back in so quickly. So last night when it happened, that is what I tried. I went to the left side of my bed and I was still hovering in the air and I was turned toward my door looking at all the pictures on the wall.

      When I turned toward my bed I was stricken with terror. There was a dark, cloaked figure in my pillows, more to the side of the bed that I would be sleeping on. He was arched over and had a hood on and I said in a sort of joking way because I was so scared I guess that's just how it came out, "who are you......?" When he turned toward me I saw that he had the face of Death. Or possibly it wasn't exactly Death but it was a white skeleton face, but at the time that's what I was convinced it was.

      I was so terrified that I shot back to where my body was in bed and twisted and squirmed and tried to get back in but somehow I was unable to get back into my body. So at this point I was hiding under my covers and I could feel the presence of whatever it was to the left of me. I didn't think it was going to go away so I worked up the courage to come out of the blanket and face whatever it was. When I did this and looked at his face I realized it wasn't the same 'thing' that I had seen before. This time it was a big, black monster like face that reminded me of gnarled tree roots or something and had green glowing lights in different areas. I wish I could describe it better. Anyway, he started talking to me and I realized he was friendly. He was welcoming me and telling me things and when I tried to talk I couldn't, it was like I had sand in my mouth. He said something along the lines of that's ok, you're new. He even gave me a name. Then another 'thing' showed up by my window, this guy was purple and smaller and I can't remember much what he looked like because he was further away. They were conversing between one another, in a way that seemed like they were making plans that included me. But they were using the weirdest words and language that was not English, but reminded me of something you would read in like a fantasy novel or from a fairy tale. Then I felt this vacuum pulling me from behind and I was sucked back into my body.

      I know that seems so strange and weird and maybe you're thinking she was probably dreaming and I would probably think the same thing if it wasn't for how much it HURT getting back in my body. As I had mentioned before when this happens, it hurts down my back when I re-enter. This time hurt more than any other time, it felt like there was a long tendon running down the length of my back and it was being pulled like a violin string. Please believe me, THIS WAS NOT A DREAM.

      I have read many things about how there's other beings and entities in the astral plane, some good and some bad, but for some reason when I was doing this I was completely convinced I was alone and just messing around. Last night added a whole new aspect to this whole thing and I'm so dumbfounded by what I experienced that I don't know what to think about it anymore. It almost scared me to the point where I don't want to do it anymore which is scary itself because this has been happening TO me, not me doing it on purpose. What if it starts to happen and I can't stop it? I need to know if there's any possibility of something actually harming me? Could I really be in danger?

      I have so many more questions but if we could just start there and tell me whatever you know or any advice or anything! This is so much more than I bargained for and I really need help!! Ah! Thank you for reading, I know it was long.
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      Hi Linux, really sorry to hear how scared you were, it's not nice when it gets like that but I totally understand where your coming from. For about 6 years or so now I would wake in the night and I am in my room, I could be either hovering over myself or I roll out of my body, now people give different explanations to this, some say it's an out of body and some say it's some kind of SP where you are neither awake or asleep, sort of I between the two. I can truly say I'm not sure what it is apart from some times when it happens it can really scare the shit out of you. You are not alone and I understand when you say this isn't a dream, that's what I say but it seems that anyone I speak to about it doesn't really understand, although I have ad a few on DV get where I'm coming from. If you are scared of what you see then it will be scary but if you stop for a moment and remember you are in controll just go up to whatever it or or call to them "who are you" or "what do you want" I find that if you say "your here to help me aren't you" then that positiveness comes back to you and they say "yes" and are really nice to you no matter how scary they look. Like I say I'm not sure if it's a dream or not but what I do know is that it's more real than a lucid dream and to me it's damn real! When you try OBE and you are lying there imagine a white bubble of light covering you with each breath you take, a protection bubble, also ask your guides to stay with you and say thay are the only ones you give permission to to help you. Im not a Christian but I do believe in an afterlife, I'm very spiritual and believe from my experiences that I have genuinely spoke to family members. One dream I had like this, my Nans sister was there and told me to look after my nan now she has passed over etc, I rang the next morning and low and behold my Nans sister passed over that night around the same time I had that experience, that's just one. Believe you will be safe and you will. Believe you will be scared and you will. I'm here for you to talk to if need be. Ohh and if you wake and like me this happens without you trying like you said just remember to tell yourself while your transitioning "I am safe and in control" ask for your guide when you transition. It's very weird when it appens spontaneously it used to scare the shit out of me to the point where I was scared to go to sleep but please try what I have advised and let me know how you get on, there are more tricks you can do if you need to so please PM me for any more help. Sweet dreaming Hun )
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      Placeholder: will edit with response when I have more time to respond. But I've experienced this many many times, have a good grasp and understanding of what is going on, and I can say that you have absolutely nothing to worry about!

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      1. Yes, in astral you can have all kinds of experiences. Most of the time it comes down to your expectations. If you expect that it will be scary, than scary it will be.
      2. Wheather you are religous or not, before you go to sleep, or just before you atempt for an OOB, imagine that you are surrounded by devine protective white light.
      3. Again, before sleep or OOB attempt, you say 'Only entities with my or above my level of development can help/participate'.
      4. When you see an entity and you don't feel comfortable with his presence, you can ask it nicely to leave (and maybe come back some other time, when you ready). If the creature is of the light (positive), he will listen to you and leave. If he won't leave, you will know his intentions are probably not good and then you just return to your body.
      5. You shoul probably not go OOB 'just to mess around'
      6. I believe, that your helpers/guides are always there with you, but they show themselfs only on rare ocasions. You can ask them to let their presence know and to help you. If you do, I would repeat 'Only entities with my or above my level of development can help/participate'. Happy dreams and travels

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      Could you give me some ideas of things to do that would make this practice useful in any way? Right now it just seems like it's mostly just avoiding scary things, what are some practical things I can do OOB that will benefit me or others in waking life? Or in other words is there any point in continuing to do this?

      Oh!! And does anyone else feel pain when you re-enter your body?
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      Well, unlike lucid dreams, which I consider a great place to have fun, I see OBEs as an opportunity to learn. You can:
      - say 'to my higher self' and talk to your subconscience
      - you can ask all kinds of questions that trouble you and recieve answers to them
      - ask to be shown something that's important to you - let the universe decide what that something is
      - ask to be showns something beautiful
      - ask to see a relative that crossed over
      - ask to be taught something that you should know - again, let the universe decide what that is

      If you really interested in this, I recommend book 'Lucid dreaming - Gateway to the inner self' by Robert Waggoner. The whole book deals with this - learning about yourself through LD/OBE.
      Hope this helps

      karen659 has a thread with her numerous OBE experiences. It's worth a read.

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      Awesome! Thank you guys all so much! have you asked any of these questions to the universe yourself, if I may ask? Do you always get replies?

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      I had only one chance so far, and it was in LD, not OBE. I asked 'show me something important for me to see'. Immediately, I saw a white star formed up in the skies and I knew it only looks small, because it was far away. I also knew it's a portal for me to go through. But I woke up

      To remember my intention, I practice it during day. I also write it in my DJ for that day, to reinforce the intent. You can also tell yourself something like 'I'm a good person and I will meet only nice entities'. There is a mantra " I project happily and return safely with full memories". Basically, you can make any of your intentions into a mantra. If you say it as you falling asleep, it's very poverfull. You can also talk to your higher self as you falling asleep. Give thanks for all your experiences and ask for what you'd like. I say 'thank you for all my experiences and dreams, can I please have some more'. 'I ask for long, stable and meaningful dreams/OBEs. I ask for awareness in them. The book I recommended is full of authors experiences exactly about things like this. Half of what I told you is from there.

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      Bummer you woke up too soon! One time in a lucid I asked a DC what was the most important thing to me and they replied, "crow's feet." haha

      Another question if I may... When it happens again, if I am successful in warding off the bad spirits or whatever they are, what would you suggest I do exactly as a beginner? Since I am new to it I don't want to be wandering off and doing too much at once, but I also don't want to just sit in my room in the dark and be bored? Like what would be some practices or exercises I could do to help me be more stable and confident in the astral realm?

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      I'm just a noob to this also, not much hands-on experience. But I was told, that you can look at your sleeping body in a bed. Also try to see the silver cord connecting you to your body. I would maybe stay in the house and see what's different. A friend of mine really enjoys flying outside in her yard. Flying outside in rain is suppose to be also great.

      Maybe you could asking your guides to show you something spectacular.

      I think, that telling yourself and believing, that nothing bad can happen to you. I have heard from some experienced people, that when you encounter something scary is very rare. It's because if you are a good person, your vibrational frequency allows you to visit certain places, where entities with lower frequency are not allowed, or something like that.

      About pain - i have heard yes, there can be some discomfort, but never felt it myself.

      Here are some websites about OBEs I find very good:
      Part 1 (astral entities...)
      Astral Travel and life after death (descriptions of astral planes)
      Astral Projection and Out of Body Experiences ( OBE or OoBE )
      The Travels of a Dreamwalker

      Please, pm me at any time

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      This is the title of a mass email veteran OBE traveller Nick Newport sent out 'Black Robed Entities In OBEs And What To Do About Them'

      Below are people's questions and Nick's answers he gave via the email. I have never experienced these entities during an OBE. I think it is because I have been psychic most of my life and spirits have tried to feed off my fear at times, such as poltergeist activity. I have always shown them no fear and when I make it clear to them that I'm not afraid they don't bother me anymore. So I think that in OBE's my aura must show a certain amount of strength that they just don't bother coming near me.

      QUESTION: Are the black, robed entities even bad. I know they are scary and seem
      like they are "evil" or something, but if it's just my imagination, or some
      lonely, but harmless ghost, I would like to keep it there. (I've always wanted
      to have a peaceful conversation with a real supernatural entity)

      ANSWER: Certainly not everything in OBEs is bad, and just because something
      appears black doesn't mean it's negative.

      However there are parasite entities which can attach to you and draw energy
      which makes it really hard to move until you've cleared them off. Pretty much
      you'll probably notice anything attached to you like a crab or whatever as soon
      as you're in the OBE. Clearing these things off makes it a lot less likely
      you'll have to deal with them in the future.

      I'm sure there are harmless beings, but the thing is it seems they all require
      energy and a lot of them prefer to just steal it from physical humans. Any
      uninvited guests in your house need to be evicted pronto because they're
      probably up to no good. If they were up to good they wouldn't be creeping around
      in your bedroom, though there are exceptions to that.

      There are friendlies out there who will show you around, but I've found they're
      usually up in nonphysical layers that are way above ground level. They're not
      usually in your house right at the start. However, I did once have help when
      inducing an OBE when I first started out by an entity, so it is possible, though
      rare, for the good ones to be there in your bedroom.

      QUESTION: With these shadow people, are they scary to look at or be around?
      Because I don't do well with scary movies and haunted houses, if I get scared
      around the shadow people can they actually harm me?

      ANSWER: As for the shadow people, you're way more powerful than they are. Don't
      worry about it. They probably won't be there anyway, they are really quite rare.
      It's just that people get bent out of shape about them.

      Shadow people and other bad-guy entities can drain energy from you and can make
      you confuse your thoughts with theirs, even when you're awake.

      So the best defense is to do an OBE so you can get rid of them. They are way
      more afraid of you than you are of them because as soon as you do an OBE you can
      crush them into paste with a thought, so they do what they can to keep you
      scared.

      QUESTION: Oh my freakin' goodness... I was watching TV and at my computer in the
      living room as usual. It was about to be 2 am so I told myself, "I have to go to
      bed," but before I did I checked my email and read the Lucidology q/a I had just
      received and turned off the TV, all lights and went to bed.

      I lay down and stretched and thought. "I am going to have an OBE." Within maybe
      15 minutes I started vibrating all over, suddenly I was flying along a coastal
      shore and can see the water waves, I was flying facing up like when you lay on a
      recliner, backwards at about the height of an 8 story building.

      About 2 minutes later I was laying on my bed again but still separated. My was
      wife sleeping on my right side, but I noticed the bathroom light on. I thought,
      "But everything was off when I went to bed."

      So I got up and as I walked to the bathroom this somewhat obscured, not so
      clearly defined person walks out of the bathroom. He was wearing the same black
      robe I usually wear and I found myself behind him and said, "Get out of my
      home."

      He was there standing not moving and giving me the back, I then looked at his
      head and see that he had black hair, not long but with volume, I blew air from
      my mouth to it and observed how the hair moved as I blew air at his/her/its
      hair.

      At all this I still feel vibration all over my body but not a lot. It felt kind
      of like goose bumps and then found myself lying next to my wife again on my
      right. I looked to my left and this entity was laying on my right side facing to
      the left.

      I could only see his back and he was still wearing the black robe, I said about
      4 times "Get out of my home" and then he slowly dissolved and was gone. It was
      my desire to wake up at that moment and still having a little vibration on my
      whole body I started to get up slowly.

      I was awake in my physical body with slight vibrations still. I felt kind of
      spooked and went back to the living room, turned on the soft light of the stove
      range vent in the kitchen and TV and sat down and thought, "Hell am not going to
      bed tonight." Lol. So I grabbed my phone and started to reply to this q/a email
      to write my experience.

      Finally as I am writing now my vibrations are dissipating. But I'm still a
      little spooked. When I was first flying through the beach shore I was not
      fearful though. But what happened next that I just explained spooked me out. I
      am thinking "hell no I will sleep" when the sun comes out. Lol

      Does it means there is some entity in my apartment? I sure want that shit out my
      home, excuse my language. Will he return? Or will he stay out after I asked him
      to leave and did left? I really always wanted to have an OBE where I can explore
      outside and finally did. But the entity part of the experience in the apartment,
      I did not like one bit.

      Nick, I think you should build us a forum if it's not too much problem. Anybody
      with me on this? I want to master this but certainly pleasantly and not like the
      way it happened with the entity issue. Thanks.

      P.S. these high vibrations have been happening for about a week now, except
      without separation. Only those two times, this one and the one I told you were I
      had high vibrations on my head, in which I forgot to add when I got up that time
      (it was afternoon hours) as I walked toward the living room I was zigzagging as
      i walked to the living room.

      About a few weeks, ago I started to become more aware, conscious and ponderous,
      receiving information in the form of revelations, so I started to write some
      amazing spiritual information. Also, being that i am a musician/percussionist I
      also started building a website. And now I am getting these strong vibrations.
      Any feedback would be appreciated. I don't know what to make of all of this. (I
      just re-read this before hitting the send button and got goose bumps reading
      it.)

      ANSWER: Basically, yes, entities like that will show up from time to time and you just
      have to tell them to scram. The only way to get rid of them is using OBEs, as
      far as I know.

      Those things are already in your apartment, so avoiding OBEs is not the right
      idea if you want them gone. You have to keep doing OBEs and running them off.
      They'll get the message and steer clear of you if you make their life difficult.

      There are plenty of other people out there they can feed off of so by developing
      a reputation as someone who's not an easy target they'll show up less and less.

      Sorry I can't tell you something like "love and light is all you need" or some
      happy nonsense like that, but it's basically a matter of cleaning house in OBEs
      every so often, by force if needed.

      As an OBEer you're really much more powerful than them and can crush them like a
      bug if you want. You're basically a superman, once you recall your abilities in
      an OBE. However, don't use so much force in getting rid of them that they want
      to take revenge, but do like you did and just force them out with no more
      violence than needed.

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      @ mcwillis - excellent info

      May I ask what's your take on visiting relatives/friends in physical while I'm OOB (I hope this will interest the OP also). I read that their guardians would kick my butt thinking it's a psychic attack. Would having permission from person help? Or how does it work?

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      wow! that was a lot of really helpful information, thank you so much! the more i read and hear about it the less scared i feel and the more excited i am for it to happen again so i can practice being brave and telling them to leave!!

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