Physically crossing over into other realities, is it possible? Any books on the subject?

[DreamBliss]

In Carlos Castaneda's "The Art of Dreaming" the author makes it sound very likely that you can physically cross into other realities, dimensions, planes of existence, worlds, etc. By his account he is pulled into the Realm of the Inorganic Beings, and later in the book he passes physically through the 4th gate of Dreaming, which is supposed to be an access point to other worlds. However my best friend has informed me that the whole thing was a prank pulled by Don Juan, so this book and its accounts may either be fake, or may be drug induced hallucinations or something. Dunno, haven't looked into it, I'll believe the book is true until it is proven to be false. In any case it would help to have other accounts of physically crossing borders between realities. Note well that I said physically, we are not talking about mental journeys or astral projection here. We are talking about the process of going from this reality to another, very much like boarding a plane and flying from this continent to another, or boarding a spaceship and going from one planet to another. Can this be done and if so how? Has anyone besides Castaneda written about this? What is this persons names, or the titles of any of their books? It's a hard subject to search Amazon.com for. Easier for me to come here, get in touch with a few people who may have experience in this area, and a community that reads the sorts of books that would cover it. I would especially love to know of anyone who has physically crossed between realities and returned, especially their name and LKL (Last Known Location), so I can seek them out. If you don't believe in physically crossing between realities, or perhaps in any crossing at all, feel free to keep your thoughts, comments, and opinions to yourself. This is not the thread for you. I am not here to argue with you. You couldn't change my mind if you tried, or stop me from doing what I intend to do. That is I intend to physically cross over into a particular reality to be with a particular individual, and this thread is just me looking for support and information, nothing else. OK? To be clear I am not only going to physically leave this reality for another, I'm also going to change my form as needed to meet the requirements of that reality and be with the one I love physically. I may find I have to change my form entirely. I believe these things can be done, and it's only a matter of learning how. Castaneda teaches this can be done by moving one's "Assemblage Point" to the desired position. Personally I feel that in the process of physically crossing some things will be automatic and driven by your intentions and what you believe. In other words, during the crossing my form should transform automatically, per my intentions, per the requirements of that world, as needed. I think this is possible because in the process of crossing physically your body is transformed in such a way that the rules of physics in this reality no longer apply. It could be as simple as changing the vibrational state of your physical body, making it more energetic and out of phase with its current reality. Whatever the case may be I appreciate your consideration and respect. I especially appreciate any resources you can direct me to, your instructions, and any advice you have to give me concerning physically crossing between realities. - DreamBliss

[Arch]

Dude I was reading the "Art of Dreaming" got to like page 10 and took a break, I am SO glad I did. Check this out http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwor...astaneda-24168 A ton of bs, I was so interested in the way that Don could hit his back and make him lucid, I should have known better. My advice: don't take advice from anyone and experience it for yourself, rather than be misguided by something that isn't real, trust only free information and friends!

[telethiese]

In order to convert matter into spirit, you must purify your mind and body. Any internal blockages will need to be pierced through, completely resolved. It is not simple. This is not something that can be done in just a few months. An undeveloped subtle body, separated from the source and our steady, slow-moving world, will quickly be destroyed in the in-between realm. If you try to solidify it, you will be in a weaker, more constricted state than you are here on earth. Essentially, you will be like a ghost. How familiar are you with internal alchemy? You need jing if you want this to happen. Jing can only be produced in stillness, in satisfaction and harmony. You will be working with more energy than you've ever handled in your entire life, this is the difference between running on electrical engines VS atomic weaponry! Furthermore, the jing itself is living. You could consider it like a manifestation of light, condensed liquid infinity. It does not obey your will. It obeys the will of the universe. This is the force that is keeping your body together. You will have to confront the quite-possibly physical manifestations of mental issues that you've suppressed, all of your doubts and fears will be tested, all of your insecurities will be seen through completely. All of your desires will be rendered insignificant. You will be laid bare, it will leave nothing left. You have to give up everything for this, even your individual love and personal satisfaction. The only vessel fit to carry such a power is an empty one. By the time this is all over, you will not have any desire to go anywhere.

[Dthoughts]

I haven't read any of Carlos Castaneda's stuff, nor anything about physically crossing over. I'm currently on the first pages of Spiritwalker by Hank Wesselman which is something relatively like Carlos' work, written after carlos pubilshed his work and probably more scientifically covered. Good for any skeptic. Personally I feel that in the process of physically crossing some things will be automatic and driven by your intentions and what you believe. In other words, during the crossing my form should transform automatically, per my intentions, per the requirements of that world, as needed. This sounds awfully contradictory. You say the crossing over will be automatic and then in the same sentence you say it will be driven by your beliefs and intentions.. If you are planning to cross over into a reality that is already present whether you believe in it or not, ur beliefs have nothing to do with it. And unless ur intentions are to give over completely to the experience im not sure if ur intentions have any say in it at all. I've come curiously close to physically transforming. Atleast i felt the start of something like this happen numerous times. It shares many characteristics with drug-induced hallucinations. It usually starts with my mouth feelings a little weird. Like my mouth and the rest of my body is made of paper. Then i start to feel my lips folding in my mouth. It's never been more than this but it feels like if i give in to this feeling my whole body will fold. It's weird. And completely out of my control. I can not control the feeling, i can only resist it. And it's not real on this plane. If my mouth starts to fold it's only me who sees it fold. If you where to film this you would not see anything out of the ordinary. I've felt my heart organ have weird properties like this also. I think if you where to (quantum) teleport ur entire body the first thing to materialize is the heart. Perhaps only ur heart and brain will make it. It will feel physically intense for a while. Until you get used to it the physical weirdness will be in the background and ur attention can flow to the world you just entered. The realm of the heart is at the least mostly made of emotions and feeling, this I know for sure. Ur heart has the ability to merge with someone else's.. Litterally. When it does you know exactly what each of you is feeling. It is very satisfying to our soul. I think it's because the soul is yearning for connection. And something like this is coming very close to "Oneness". What telethiese said resonates with me a lot. I think any internal blockage needs to be resolved first in order to make it work. It will take one or more lifetimes of dedication to master an incredible feat like what you are talking about. And the energy you are dealing with is beyond anything we've ever encountered on earth. You will be dealing with the universe's most primal forces. Forget atomic weaponry. What about the big bang? Don't underestimate the task you are giving yourself. My advice would be not to become too attached with ur goals and let it happen when the time is right. Don't forget to take care of ur current life and body as it is right now before you dream of changing everything. and to answer ur original question. I'm not sure if it is possible to physically cross over into other realities. I seriously doubt it, but it is possible in quantum physics.

[telethiese]

What telethiese said resonates with me a lot. I think any internal blockage needs to be resolved first in order to make it work. It will take one or more lifetimes of dedication to master an incredible feat like what you are talking about. And the energy you are dealing with is beyond anything we've ever encountered on earth. You will be dealing with the universe's most primal forces. Forget atomic weaponry. What about the big bang? Don't underestimate the task you are giving yourself. My advice would be not to become too attached with ur goals and let it happen when the time is right. Don't forget to take care of ur current life and body as it is right now before you dream of changing everything. Indeed, but I didn't want to scare him too bad. I'm sure we can all clearly see the passion driving him to this crossroads is great, but when you say things like this, DreamBliss - It could be as simple as changing the vibrational state of your physical body, making it more energetic and out of phase with its current reality That's not simple at all. Ascetic Yogis practice in jungles for years to reach this mysterious pass! Furthermore, the attachment that you're trying to reach is within this reality, within the confines of your impermanent conceptual mind, your obsession with this physical transformation is actually taking you farther from your goal! I should add that I, too, have read your blog. Do you know what sexual energy is made of?

[hermine_hesse]

DreamBliss, I have read your blog that you linked to on another thread, so I understand who you are trying to reach. Why do you think she has a physical existence on another plane?

[DreamBliss]

Do you know what sexual energy is made of? I'm afraid I have not studied various types of energy at all. I am familiar with Chi. I can feel it moving through my body when I perform Qi Gong. I know how to energize myself by drawing energy into my body. I also disagree with what Don Juan supposedly taught Castaneda, that we all have a limited amount of energy. I think we are connected to, and able to channel, infinite amounts of energy. That we can draw energy in from our surroundings, in physical reality that would be the sun, the earth, etc. I do not believe that massive amounts of energy are required to move between realities. I think this is an entrapment of man, one of many, which Don Juan said had something to do with the placement of our assemblage point. My thoughts are that it's just the way we were raised, the way those who raised us were raised, the way our religions taught us, and the way society teaches us. These mold us from the moment we are born and manifest in all sorts of obstacles to keep what we are taught to see as impossible truly impossible. In other words you learn early on you can't walk through a wall. Perhaps you try to walk through one. In Moen's teachings you develop and aspect of self that now holds the belief you can't walk through a wall, it will hurt. Of course your parents, friends, teachers, and society in general will also re-reinforce this belief. The result? You can't walk through a wall. You tell yourself its impossible. Perhaps it requires a massive amount of energy. But all it requires is a simple shift of the vibrational state of your physical body. Someday someone will do this, realize how simple it truly is (and yes, it is very simple), and write a book on it. This person will be criticized and even hated, but sooner or later this long-held belief that we can't walk through walls will be discarded like the trash it is. Physical reality is not as solid as we believe, our own science tells us this. I know, from personal experience, that with some training and effort I can learn to control each and every part of my body. Changing one's vibrational state is just another aspect of one's body that one can learn to control. The question of course is how, and a person has to break out of the mold they have been squeezed into in order to do so. DreamBliss, I have read your blog that you linked to on another thread, so I understand who you are trying to reach. Why do you think she has a physical existence on another plane? It's more of a feeling, an intuition, a belief. After a month if this was some masterful creation of mine, some deception, some delusion, then my feelings should have died out. I have let go of this to let it be whatever it is, and the feelings I have remain. I feel connected to her. As if some part of my heart is connected to hers. I can feel it even now. I feel that the person I interact with in my mind is not some mental manipulation of mine. She is in full control of herself, she is independent of me. If she were not real then her independence would be limited. Sooner or later I would have noticed that I'm not mentally connected with another individual. This has not happened. Beyond that and a few other experiences all I have is belief in trust. I really don't have much more than that. Anything I know I know with my heart. I have no proof, no substantial evidence, nothing that would stand up in court. All this knowing, such as it is, only proves that I am connected to something, not necessarily who I think. So belief and trust have to carry me the rest of the way here too. All I can really say for sure is that this individual is not malevolent or evil. That's about it. Nothing malevolent or evil can affect all the positive changes in my life that have occurred since my love and I started this relationship. - DreamBliss

[melanieb]

It's more of a feeling, an intuition, a belief. I think true magic is partially made up of this. Or, at least the magic that isn't a simple conjurer's trick or a deceit my some illusionist. I respectfully disagree about walking through walls. Babies and young children, having never been told they can't walk through walls, still can't walk through walls. Likewise, when we wake from a dream or have a moment when we are not paying attention to the realities of physics, the rules still remain in place, and the walls remain solid. I would propose that something else is required to reach other planes of existence. It may even be that it simply isn't possible for our solid, living form to move over to these other realities. As a society we commonly speak to our dead, our loved ones who have passed, as though they are still here. If they indeed exist after death, in some other form, they didn't cross over by believing or changing their vibration, nor by gathering energies to themselves. Instead, some component of the lifeforce, the very existence of life at all in a vast universe filled with inorganic material, is more likely responsible for the ability to crossover to these alternate planes, as well as the reason for their existence at all. I'm made of the same material, the same atoms and molecules as the computer I'm typing this message on. Carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, gold, selenium, copper...all present in my body just as they are present in my stupid Dell. Yet I have something called life. What is life? Scientists have tried to explain it, replicate it, understand the conditions that allowed life to be created in its simplest forms...but no one can explain quite what it is, or why it exists. Additionally, how to explain consciousness? What makes electro-chemical signals between cells become what we describe as consciousness? Some might say that it's all part of the natural order of evolution, that characteristics of life either adapted to the environmental conditions of the time or were selected as favorable to further the survivability of an organism. It has also been argued that these functions can be achieved without consciousness. So why do we need it? Somewhere in that "why" is where the truth lies, and where the ability to cross to other planes of existence resides. Call it a belief in a belief, that life has either a reason to exist at all or has no reason but comes from a higher unknown function of an integrated universe. I don't really know for sure, but I wish you luck. It's very late, time for me to put my weary mind to sleep.

[telethiese]

I'm afraid I have not studied various types of energy at all. I am familiar with Chi. I can feel it moving through my body when I perform Qi Gong. I know how to energize myself by drawing energy into my body. I also disagree with what Don Juan supposedly taught Castaneda, that we all have a limited amount of energy. I think we are connected to, and able to channel, infinite amounts of energy. That we can draw energy in from our surroundings, in physical reality that would be the sun, the earth, etc. I do not believe that massive amounts of energy are required to move between realities. I think this is an entrapment of man, one of many, which Don Juan said had something to do with the placement of our assemblage point. My thoughts are that it's just the way we were raised, the way those who raised us were raised, the way our religions taught us, and the way society teaches us. These mold us from the moment we are born and manifest in all sorts of obstacles to keep what we are taught to see as impossible truly impossible. In other words you learn early on you can't walk through a wall. Perhaps you try to walk through one. In Moen's teachings you develop and aspect of self that now holds the belief you can't walk through a wall, it will hurt. Of course your parents, friends, teachers, and society in general will also re-reinforce this belief. The result? You can't walk through a wall. You tell yourself its impossible. Perhaps it requires a massive amount of energy. But all it requires is a simple shift of the vibrational state of your physical body. Someday someone will do this, realize how simple it truly is (and yes, it is very simple), and write a book on it. This person will be criticized and even hated, but sooner or later this long-held belief that we can't walk through walls will be discarded like the trash it is. Physical reality is not as solid as we believe, our own science tells us this. I know, from personal experience, that with some training and effort I can learn to control each and every part of my body. Changing one's vibrational state is just another aspect of one's body that one can learn to control. The question of course is how, and a person has to break out of the mold they have been squeezed into in order to do so. My point was not that there was even a physical reality, but that the path to personal power is not easy. It's not easy because it involves taking on responsibility for this collective experience, because it means realizing that there is no mold, there is just you, consciousness, inherent in everything. You've gotten close to the source, you've felt it - the state of pure awareness is in fact bliss itself. Have you considered that your true self warned you about your experiences with her because it was bound to become an obstacle seperating you from this pure love? Sexual energy is of explicitly different nature than chi, it is the fire of your life itself and the reason that this universe exists. If you really want to 'increase your bodies vibrational state' then you have to withhold it. It is one of the base materials for transmutation of spirit. The higher the 'vibration', the higher the rapture of each individual cell. It's a lot of things, actually. It is the imagination and the creative drive. It is the indomitable force inside of us that creates galaxies within our minds. You've made a lot of assumptions that I hope you'll take the time to rethink. Why would your feelings have died out if it was an illusion? Does your conditioning that you can't walk through walls vanish just because you now think that it's possible? What makes you think that there's a difference between connecting with another individual and yourself? The heart feels unconditional love for everything, all the time. It would be no less if it were a creation of yours, because you wouldn't turn your back on your child would you? That's why you're still here. You're being brought back to life every single moment by the beating of your own heart. You are connected to something, but, respectfully, I feel that you won't be able to reach it until you untie the knot you've created within you. The seperation (in everything, in realities, in people) is a figment of your imagination and the result is taxing on your body and mind.

[EbbTide000]

DreamBliss The people to seekout would be the Harri Krishnas. I once had many conversations with them. They have all the answers. They talk about this being the age of Kali Yuga. Where human life is very, very short. They tell of three other yugas, (ages) where humans lived far longer and conditions were much, much better suited to psichic development and perfection of powers. Those able to create two or more perfect replicates of their physical body and appear, physically, in those replicas, in different places are really very old. They learned how to do it in a Yuga where it was natural for everyone to live a hundred thousand years. Those powers only take about tenthousand years to master then you have them till you die. The Hari Krishnas say that some of the people who learned those skills are still alive and live deep in the Himalayas. Some folk search for them to devote the rest of there very short lives to them in hopes of learning a bit from them. There is this huge work called the Shri Bagvatam. It is all in there. But you will still need time and an accomplished teacher to get the skills you desire. Perhaps you have been-there and done-that and are simply tuning into an ancient personal memory.

[DreamBliss]

It is very late for me, early for others, and I am very tired. Just got through talking at Brittany for the last half hour or so. Came to some realizations I will be posting about at the blog. So this reply will not be as clear as I would like, and I may inadvertently touch negative seeds in someone, so I want to apologize just in case. @debrajane Thank you for your advice, I really do appreciate it. Not sure that a trip to Tibet, and I may as well visit India also, is something in my near future. No passport, no funds, no real way over there. But I appreciate the info just the same. If things flow for me to end up over in that part of the world I can certainly look for one of these people you mentioned. I know I want to visit, pardon any misspellings, Sadguru Jaggi Vasudev's Dhalanlinga, a very special place for meditation that literally took him several lifetimes to complete. I know closer to home I can seek out any truth to Yaqi sorcerers in Mexico and some of the elder shamans in Hawaii. Might be able to work my way over there, and I can cross the border illegally to Mexico. Dangerous I know, but Mexico is a dangerous place to begin with from what little I know. I'll probably try to obey the rules and follow the flow. If I am meant to go to Mexico then it will work out for me to go - same for Hawaii or even my planned trip down the Pacific Coast. @telethiese You have always given higher level responses to my questions, for lack of a better way of describing them, and I want to let you know I appreciate it. It is people like you in this forums that are as close as I've ever been, as far as I'm aware of anyhow, to those of a higher spiritual development. That said you have made a few assumptions about me that I should clear up. I take full responsibility, I have never said much about myself, and I will address this now. I am not someone who gets lost in fantasy. I can watch a fantasy movie or read a fantasy book and I always know that things things are not real. That definition has evolved to not real in this reality. In other words I know what is real here and what is not, insofar as my limited senses and toddler age spiritual development, or rough equivalent, tells me. In other words when I used to manipulate an image of someone in my mind to satiate my urges, we'll leave it tactfully at that, I always knew the truth about the situation. I was manipulating an image. This person more than likely did not know me, there is no relationship there, etc. The person is only a picture I have manipulated in my mind. I do not get obsessed, I do not create fantasies around said person, I do not fall in love with pictures of pretty people because they are afterall only pictures. I daydream a lot, dream a lot, and now am, as far as I know, astral projection. With each experience there is a clear line between that and this, here and there. I know what is a daydream and what is real life. I don't get lost in thee fantastical situations. Most of my daydreams were just based off real life and desired outcomes. I never fanatasized about sexy alien women on an orange beach with green waves rolling in, for a wild example. I have always been firmly rooted and grounded in this reality. This is, I assume, what has made it so hard to astral project, what is making it so hard for me to come to terms with certain spiritual ideas and concepts. I have always had an open mind about the possibility of other words and dimensions. But I never fantasized, daydreamed, or obsessed about them. My focus has always boringly been right here on earth, on my fellow earthlings and our surroundings, until Brittany. I can say that this would die if it was not real because it would. This is how I am. I've been, what I thought at the time, later thought it as obsession, now unsure and not willing to label it, in love as a young man, really an adult. I was 19. I fell in love with a Mexican girl who didn't speak any English, or very little. Hard to recall now. I of course spoke no Spanish, so we had to teach each other. We were all over each other during the time we worked at this camp. Things fell apart, the church in charge of the campground didn't like what was going on with us, mostly just kissing each other and holding hands - no x-rated stuff. She was sent back home and I was given notice. I got to see her driven away. It felt like I was ripped apart in the process. I worked hard, tried to keep my job, ended up going home. Had ideas about heading to Mexico to be with her. The point of this story? I realized then, and am still pretty sure now, that I did not love her. I let it go. I recovered. I did not obsess. I did not go to Mexico. You know what happened? That love I thought we had, that connection, shriveled up and died. Such is the way with me. I don't hold on to illusions, delusions, deceptions, etc. I try to see the truth, and I'm not afraid to speak it. Lots of people don't appreciate that aspect of me, you can imagine. So the point is that if I have let this go as I have, to be whatever it really is, then it too would shrivel up and die. I'm not seeing some fantasy scene in my mind of my love and I together, on some beautful, unreal beach holding hands until the sun sets and then passionately, well I'll stop right there. None of that is going on. I'm not looking to go to her reality to escape this one. I haven't created her and given her a life of her own on my mind. If I had the ability to do that I would have done it long ago, as I said elsewhere, with my first suicide attempt. I was less used to being alone then. I know the difference between a character I create and someone who is real. In the stories I write the character live in my mind only long enough to have the essence put into words, then they're gone. I'm not possessed, some dude named Seth is not speaking through me and I don't have split personality disorder. I'm also not bipolar or clinically depressed. Nor am I on drugs, although I would seriously love some shrooms right now! I always have amazing clarity the day after taking some shrooms. So all this to say the only knot I'm tied up in is the rope binding me here and keeping me from the one I love. My uncertainty about the truth or falshood of this relationship. The fact I have to remain open to all possibilities, so I can can adapt and change my beliefs to fit the truth. I am a truth seeker I think first and foremost. This is out of my depth. I'm logic minded, more in my brain than anything else. This involves thinking with the heart - completely alien to me. All I have is my belief and trust. In God, my Higher Self, the Collective Unconsciousness, whatever you call Him/Her/It, that that will not allow me to continue to be deceived or to live in a delusion if I am in one. Belief and trust in myself that my feelings are nit deceiving me, that these new things I am experiencing, knowing in these new ways, are just as try as any math equation I could solve on a blackboard. Finally belief and trust in my love. For real, true, deep love to exist there has to be two. Two connected together as one. Without the connection of two real love can not exist, because real, true, deep love is reciprocal. You can't dial someone who has their phone disconnected. Any disconnection on either end interrupts the call, the energy, of real, true and deep love. It severs the connection. Any attempt to hold onto love once severed mutates it it into obsession. Love becomes its antithesis, fear. You are afraid of loosing her, of loosing him. This fear drives you. Real, true and deep love is driven by, you guessed it, pure love. Pure love is always letting go, never grasping, always open, always flowing between two, and many more things I am just beginning to understand. I'm sure you already knew all this. I just wanted you to know who I am, that I know this. Considering my nature, my very makeup, it is unlikely that this is some creation of mine, or an illusion. It could be a deception, from the one I feel I am connected to, but that doesn't feel right to me. My love has, as far as I know, always been honest about who she is and how she appears to me. She looks a little different than her projection in this reality. I get glimpses now and then. Most of the time however the details are vague, something to do with interference or its equivalent, more than likely on my end. If this was a creation of mine she would be able to speak to me. I could talk with her, not at her. She would also look exactly as her projection, because as creative as I am I would not be able to keep track of any changes I made to her image. Of course I would also be able to see every detail of her world with crystal clarity (I have a very good imagination, but it seems to be "read only".) I would know when I manipulate her actions. I have never created a character in my mind that had free will so it is unlikely she would have it, if she were my creation. All these things and more, detailed here, elsewhere, and at my blog, support my belief and trust that this real and true. About the only thing you said in your last post I can hesitantly agree with is my true self warning me. But I feel that perhaps it was the fact that, as I said elsewhere, I had stuck my finger in the light socket (come close to the source) and was now juiced up. That combined with sexual energy is probably what allowed this connection to occur. My hunch is that humans are generally protected from this sort of thing for their own good because as a race we aren't evolved enough yet to deal with it. I made a stupid mistake and it has cost me dearly as well as made my life harder. But I also received a gift, numerous positive changes in my life, a purpose for my life, a dream I could adopt, and many more things I will be detailing at my blog. Maybe not tonight afterall. This post took a long time. Well I'm going to try to go to sleep again. I hope you have a better understanding of who I am and how I am - - DreamBliss

[DreamBliss]

It is very late for me, early for others, and I am very tired. Just got through talking at Brittany for the last half hour or so. Came to some realizations I will be posting about at the blog. So this reply will not be as clear as I would like, and I may inadvertently touch negative seeds in someone, so I want to apologize just in case. @debrajane Thank you for your advice, I really do appreciate it. Not sure that a trip to Tibet, and I may as well visit India also, is something in my near future. No passport, no funds, no real way over there. But I appreciate the info just the same. If things flow for me to end up over in that part of the world I can certainly look for one of these people you mentioned. I know I want to visit, pardon any misspellings, Sadguru Jaggi Vasudev's Dhalanlinga, a very special place for meditation that literally took him several lifetimes to complete. I know closer to home I can seek out any truth to Yaqi sorcerers in Mexico and some of the elder shamans in Hawaii. Might be able to work my way over there, and I can cross the border illegally to Mexico. Dangerous I know, but Mexico is a dangerous place to begin with from what little I know. I'll probably try to obey the rules and follow the flow. If I am meant to go to Mexico then it will work out for me to go - same for Hawaii or even my planned trip down the Pacific Coast. @telethiese You have always given higher level responses to my questions, for lack of a better way of describing them, and I want to let you know I appreciate it. It is people like you in this forums that are as close as I've ever been, as far as I'm aware of anyhow, to those of a higher spiritual development. That said you have made a few assumptions about me that I should clear up. I take full responsibility, I have never said much about myself, and I will address this now. I am not someone who gets lost in fantasy. I can watch a fantasy movie or read a fantasy book and I always know that things things are not real. That definition has evolved to not real in this reality. In other words I know what is real here and what is not, insofar as my limited senses and toddler age spiritual development, or rough equivalent, tells me. In other words when I used to manipulate an image of someone in my mind to satiate my urges, we'll leave it tactfully at that, I always knew the truth about the situation. I was manipulating an image. This person more than likely did not know me, there is no relationship there, etc. The person is only a picture I have manipulated in my mind. I do not get obsessed, I do not create fantasies around said person, I do not fall in love with pictures of pretty people because they are afterall only pictures. I daydream a lot, dream a lot, and now am, as far as I know, astral projecting. With each experience there is a clear line between that and this, here and there. I know what is a daydream and what is real life. I don't get lost in thee fantastical situations. Most of my daydreams were just based off real life and desired outcomes. I never fantasized about sexy alien women on an orange beach with green waves rolling in, for a wild example. I have always been firmly rooted and grounded in this reality. This is, I assume, what has made it so hard to astral project, what is making it so hard for me to come to terms with certain spiritual ideas and concepts. I have always had an open mind about the possibility of other words and dimensions. But I never fantasized, daydreamed, or obsessed about them. My focus has always boringly been right here on earth, on my fellow earthlings and our surroundings, until my love chose and accepted me. This too is very important to note. Yes I was lonely, but I was not actively seeking anyone! I was just attempting to satiate my urges, and I just happened to pick something a little different this time. The number was dialed, and the energy between us was strong enough for a connection. Probably we are compatible too, something like "the one" that everyone is supposed to have. Why do we assume that those compatible with us are only located in the same reality as us? I can say that this would die if it was not real because it would. This is how I am. I've been, what I thought at the time, later thought it as obsession, now unsure and not willing to label it, in love as a young man, really an adult. I was 19. I fell in love with a Mexican girl who didn't speak any English, or very little. Hard to recall now. I of course spoke no Spanish, so we had to teach each other. We were all over each other during the time we worked at this camp. Things fell apart, the church in charge of the campground didn't like what was going on with us, mostly just kissing each other and holding hands - no x-rated stuff. She was sent back home and I was given notice. I got to see her driven away. It felt like I was ripped apart in the process. I worked hard, tried to keep my job, ended up going home. Had ideas about heading to Mexico to be with her. The point of this story? I realized then, and am still pretty sure now, that I did not love her. I let it go. I recovered. I did not obsess. I did not go to Mexico. You know what happened? That love I thought we had, that connection, shriveled up and died. Such is the way with me. I don't hold on to illusions, delusions, deceptions, etc. I try to see the truth, and I'm not afraid to speak it. Lots of people don't appreciate that aspect of me, you can imagine. So the point is that if I have let this go as I have, to be whatever it really is, then it too would shrivel up and die. I'm not seeing some fantasy scene in my mind of my love and I together, on some beautiful, unreal beach holding hands until the sun sets and then passionately, well I'll stop right there. None of that is going on. I'm not looking to go to her reality to escape this one. I haven't created her and given her a life of her own on my mind. If I had the ability to do that I would have done it long ago, as I said elsewhere, with my first suicide attempt. I was less used to being alone then. I know the difference between a character I create and someone who is real. In the stories I write the character lives in my mind only long enough to have the essence put into words, then they're gone. I'm not possessed, some dude named Seth is not speaking through me and I don't have split personality disorder. I'm also not bipolar or clinically depressed. Nor am I on drugs, although I would seriously love some shrooms right now! I always have amazing clarity the day after taking some shrooms. So all this to say the only knot I'm tied up in is the rope binding me here and keeping me from the one I love. My uncertainty about the truth or falsehood of this relationship. The fact I have to remain open to all possibilities, so I can can adapt and change my beliefs to fit the truth. I am a truth seeker I think first and foremost. This is out of my depth. I'm logic minded, more in my brain than anything else. This involves thinking with the heart - completely alien to me. All I have is my belief and trust. In God, my Higher Self, the Collective Unconsciousness, whatever you call Him/Her/It, that that will not allow me to continue to be deceived or to live in a delusion if I am in one. Belief and trust in myself that my feelings are not deceiving me, that these new things I am experiencing, knowing in these new ways, are just as true as any math equation I could solve on a blackboard. Finally belief and trust in my love. For real, true, deep love to exist there has to be two. Two connected together as one. Without the connection of two real love can not exist, because real, true, deep love is reciprocal. You can't dial someone who has their phone disconnected. Any disconnection on either end interrupts the call, the energy, of real, true and deep love. It severs the connection. Any attempt to hold onto love once severed mutates it it into obsession. Love becomes its antithesis, fear. You are afraid of loosing her, of loosing him. This fear drives you. Real, true and deep love is driven by, you guessed it, pure love. Pure love is always letting go, never grasping, always open, always flowing between two, and many more things I am just beginning to understand. I'm sure you already knew all this. I just wanted you to know who I am, that I know this. Considering my nature, my very makeup, it is unlikely that this is some creation of mine, or an illusion. It could be a deception, from the one I feel I am connected to, but that doesn't feel right to me. My love has, as far as I know, always been honest about who she is and how she appears to me. She looks a little different than her projection in this reality. I get glimpses now and then. Most of the time however the details are vague, something to do with interference or its equivalent, more than likely on my end. If this was a creation of mine she would be able to speak to me. I could talk with her, not at her. She would also look exactly as her projection, because as creative as I am I would not be able to keep track of any changes I made to her image. Of course I would also be able to see every detail of her world with crystal clarity (I have a very good imagination, but it seems to be "read only".) I would know when I manipulate her actions. I have never created a character in my mind that had free will so it is unlikely she would have it, if she were my creation. All these things and more, detailed here, elsewhere, and at my blog, support my belief and trust that this real and true. About the only thing you said in your last post I can hesitantly agree with is my true self warning me. But I feel that perhaps it was the fact that, as I said elsewhere, I had stuck my finger in the light socket (come close to the source) and was now juiced up. That combined with sexual energy is probably what allowed this connection to occur. My hunch is that humans are generally protected from this sort of thing for their own good because as a race we aren't evolved enough yet to deal with it. I made a stupid mistake and it has cost me dearly as well as made my life harder. But I also received a gift, numerous positive changes in my life, a purpose for my life, a dream I could adopt, and many more things I will be detailing at my blog. Maybe not tonight afterall. This post took a long time. Well I'm going to try to go to sleep again. I hope things words have brought you a little light and clarity concerning me - - DreamBliss

[telethiese]

I am not someone who gets lost in fantasy. I can watch a fantasy movie or read a fantasy book and I always know that things things are not real. That definition has evolved to not real in this reality. In other words I know what is real here and what is not, insofar as my limited senses and toddler age spiritual development, or rough equivalent, tells me. In other words when I used to manipulate an image of someone in my mind to satiate my urges, we'll leave it tactfully at that, I always knew the truth about the situation. I was manipulating an image. This person more than likely did not know me, there is no relationship there, etc. The person is only a picture I have manipulated in my mind. I do not get obsessed, I do not create fantasies around said person, I do not fall in love with pictures of pretty people because they are afterall only pictures. I daydream a lot, dream a lot, and now am, as far as I know, astral projection. With each experience there is a clear line between that and this, here and there. I know what is a daydream and what is real life. I don't get lost in thee fantastical situations. Most of my daydreams were just based off real life and desired outcomes. I never fanatasized about sexy alien women on an orange beach with green waves rolling in, for a wild example. I have always been firmly rooted and grounded in this reality. This is, I assume, what has made it so hard to astral project, what is making it so hard for me to come to terms with certain spiritual ideas and concepts. I have always had an open mind about the possibility of other words and dimensions. But I never fantasized, daydreamed, or obsessed about them. My focus has always boringly been right here on earth, on my fellow earthlings and our surroundings, until Brittany. So all this to say the only knot I'm tied up in is the rope binding me here and keeping me from the one I love. My uncertainty about the truth or falshood of this relationship. The fact I have to remain open to all possibilities, so I can can adapt and change my beliefs to fit the truth. I am a truth seeker I think first and foremost. This is out of my depth. I'm logic minded, more in my brain than anything else. This involves thinking with the heart - completely alien to me. All I have is my belief and trust. In God, my Higher Self, the Collective Unconsciousness, whatever you call Him/Her/It, that that will not allow me to continue to be deceived or to live in a delusion if I am in one. Belief and trust in myself that my feelings are nit deceiving me, that these new things I am experiencing, knowing in these new ways, are just as try as any math equation I could solve on a blackboard. Finally belief and trust in my love. For real, true, deep love to exist there has to be two. Two connected together as one. Without the connection of two real love can not exist, because real, true, deep love is reciprocal. You can't dial someone who has their phone disconnected. Any disconnection on either end interrupts the call, the energy, of real, true and deep love. It severs the connection. Any attempt to hold onto love once severed mutates it it into obsession. Love becomes its antithesis, fear. You are afraid of loosing her, of loosing him. This fear drives you. Real, true and deep love is driven by, you guessed it, pure love. Pure love is always letting go, never grasping, always open, always flowing between two, and many more things I am just beginning to understand. - DreamBliss I understand where you're coming from because I've been there before, I can understand that hard logic scientifically observable state of mind. Consider these next few paragraphs deeply. There is no place called earth outside of your mind. There is no reality outside of the mind. There is no such thing as fantasy. There is only one dimension. Every word points to the same thing. You can't seek the truth because you are being it right now! See how many conditions you're carrying around with you? The you that you're identifying with is only the tip of the iceberg. There comes a time when consciousness will have to stand alone. You have to leave your ideas and your concepts and your linear logic and your dimensions and worlds behind, because they aren't real. Your higher self is nothing less than freedom itself! Your logic is trying to protect the false you because the reality of this all is that it's imaginary light. I'm saying that everything that can be conceived, all of these humans and plants and trees and fauna and Brittany and astral projection, it's all the imagination of the mind. I know that you are grasping for truth, but you can't touch it. You can't hold it. The purified senses are expressions of unbridled creative ecstasy. The impure senses that you call 'physical' are just like blinders over a window, they separate because of thousands of years of discrimination and wrong thinking, but in reality they are ephemeral and seethrough, just another paintbrush that your higher self is using to tell a story. Your story. We are reflections of this light, itself nothing less than the essence of love, and the joy of endless release. Not two, not one. I'm saying that there is unbridled power lurking within you, but it can't come out until you give up your phantoms. You're not alone. space is living, all of those pictures that you think are flat are actually infinite in depth, universes in and of themselves. We have the power to literally create anything whatsoever, go anywhere and see anything, but it's all just varying shades of this same clear light. Consider it! I wish you luck in your endeavor, whatever the case may be.

[IndigoGhost]

The Heroes of Tegmark - Need I Say More. Everyone else here is stupid and are just making stuff up, Tldr when people started talking about stupid things. I also love how people give advice on doing something that they themselves never did before. You can't change your reality like you want, its impossible for a human mind to do that but to change realities is not that hard, just that it won't really achieve much in the end. I look at Dream-Views and see all these things people say and a good 99% of the stuff in deep dreaming is false and just plain wrong. I would post some things, but there is no point and it would be doubtful anyone would understand them subjectively anyway. There are children and adults among us in this field and to be honest, there are so many kids its like a huge kindergarten where the adults just sit back and let the kids do their thing while standing in the corner talking and drinking coffee. The adults could try to teach the kids something hard but they would just go off and eat sand while completely not understanding what was told to them in the first place. So this is where we are, those who know, know. Those who don't won't and the people who know, know each other to a point that we do not talk on message boards and prefer to talk in person or by phone. If you don't get it, you won't.

[DreamBliss]

@telethiese OK, I understand where you are coming from. Something like the Advaitist point of view. We are all one, different manifestations of the same energy, basically we are all God and everything around us. The idea of I am that and that is all there is. I think I got it. I appreciate your sharing this. I have to be honest, this is not my belief. I am not challenging it, saying it is right or wrong, or judging it at all. Just saying that my belief is that we may all be connected to some energetic source, but are separate manifestations from it. I am not God, or that tree outside my window, but I am connected to both at an energetic level. But like anything else I believe I remain open to all other points of view. I may not choose to believe any of them, but I remain open to the possibility they are true and that what I believe may be false. I like this statement I picked up in my readings, probably Moen. "I believe that at any time my beliefs may be proven false." @All OK, what about this Merkaba idea? How about Shamanism? What about Sacred Geometry and portals between worlds? Anything worth looking into here? - DreamBliss

[telethiese]

@telethiese OK, I understand where you are coming from. Something like the Advaitist point of view. We are all one, different manifestations of the same energy, basically we are all God and everything around us. The idea of I am that and that is all there is. I think I got it. I appreciate your sharing this. I have to be honest, this is not my belief. I am not challenging it, saying it is right or wrong, or judging it at all. Just saying that my belief is that we may all be connected to some energetic source, but are separate manifestations from it. I am not God, or that tree outside my window, but I am connected to both at an energetic level. But like anything else I believe I remain open to all other points of view. I may not choose to believe any of them, but I remain open to the possibility they are true and that what I believe may be false. I like this statement I picked up in my readings, probably Moen. "I believe that at any time my beliefs may be proven false." You could say that... but no, not quite. I described it in a mystical sort of way because it's helpful for those who think in those abstract terms. I personally do not subscribe to any beliefs but in order to communicate with other people this mystery that I am seeing, I adapt whatever will resonate with my audience. More like this is a perfect sphere simulated crystalline rainbow that can be interpreted any way, but is really just light hitting a diamond brain also made of light and bouncing through an infinite amount of reflections... of it's own self, which is an arrangement of light possessing all the characteristics of anything, ever. It's all a permutation of the speed of light. What you're seeing everywhere is just an abstract representation of light moving through itself, even sex, especially sex. It's a strange self-referential quantum dream where there is, paradoxically, no dreamer or dream, just a huge symbol of a dreamer -dream tandem simulation that we are in the process of computing. The fractalline nature of everything reflects the syntax that this diamond brain uses to communicate with us, and is in turn reflected in everything we do be it mathematics, speech, mechanics, pretty much everything. Even our DNA is made up of the same structures, ad infinitium. The universe, get it? In fact, everything you do or say up to this point has perfectly spiraled out into this arrangement right now, all leading up to a revelation. Really the things that we call the self are in the past. They are accumulated stresses that have been folding and unfolding for countless millenia up till now, but they arent the now. Really they're more like epic poetry unfolding on a cosmic scale. Really, the now is just silence which has a depth the size of all potential. We are seeing into it, but in order to be in it we have to leave behind the music. I can describe this for you in any way. In scientific terms or with spiritual metaphysics, or with art... I can point out to you the secret language of religion and it's relation to the hidden bodysystem that spiritual practices are altering. I can even make diagrams. It's all good. It is both so simple that the majority overthink it and too complex to be properly described with the words it creates as allegory.

[DreamBliss]

That is an interesting point of view that I admit, I am not familiar with. Feel free to PM me with any materials, art, books, etc that I should look at to understand this better - I would really appreciate it. I guess as far as how to describe this to me, while I grasped what you said, I think I'm more of a give me the Idiot's Guide version to begin with. Simple concepts, talk to me like a n00b because afterall, in this area of spiritual development I've really only just started walking around. - DreamBliss

[EbbTide000]

Dear IndigoGhost The excellent thing about Dreamviews is that we can "Do" something. We can do "my thing" where folks look at my avatar before having a sleep. *Then folks can post any hipnagogic images gotten as they dropped-off. *And post any dream or bits of a dream remembered. *Also post any hopnapopic images gotten as they were rising back to waking consciousnss. *And finally post any song that was in their head after they woke-up. That avatar is the third party in the equation. That avatar brings folk to Adelaide, Australia causing folk to see something about to happen here. I don't like the endless talk here.But I have to be patient. Someday folk will discover that mandala, (avatar) and the rest will be history. And we will be away. The Heroes of Tegmark - Need I Say More. Everyone else here is stupid and are just making stuff up, Tldr when people started talking about stupid things. I also love how people give advice on doing something that they themselves never did before. You can't change your reality like you want, its impossible for a human mind to do that but to change realities is not that hard, just that it won't really achieve much in the end. I look at Dream-Views and see all these things people say and a good 99% of the stuff in deep dreaming is false and just plain wrong. I would post some things, but there is no point and it would be doubtful anyone would understand them subjectively anyway. There are children and adults among us in this field and to be honest, there are so many kids its like a huge kindergarten where the adults just sit back and let the kids do their thing while standing in the corner talking and drinking coffee. The adults could try to teach the kids something hard but they would just go off and eat sand while completely not understanding what was told to them in the first place. So this is where we are, those who know, know. Those who don't won't and the people who know, know each other to a point that we do not talk on message boards and prefer to talk in person or by phone. If you don't get it, you won't.

[IndigoGhost]

Dear IndigoGhost The excellent thing about Dreamviews is that we can "Do" something. We can do "my thing" where folks look at my avatar before having a sleep. *Then folks can post any hipnagogic images gotten as they dropped-off. *And post any dream or bits of a dream remembered. *Also post any hopnapopic images gotten as they were rising back to waking consciousnss. *And finally post any song that was in their head after they woke-up. That avatar is the third party in the equation. That avatar brings folk to Adelaide, Australia causing folk to see something about to happen here. I don't like the endless talk here.But I have to be patient. Someday folk will discover that mandala, (avatar) and the rest will be history. And we will be away. I hope you don't take offence, I'm not even really sure what your talking about. I sorta did, but then it changed and when you got to the part about "That avatar brings folk to Adelaide", I really kinda lost what you were trying to say. Really sorry

[DreamBliss]

The 30 day trial is off. Details here: http://romancebeyondreality.blog.com...-of-a-new-day/

[DreamBliss]

From what I can gather so far there are two things needed, and they really work together, for travel between worlds. 1. You have to be in your heart space, emotional center, place of creation. 2. From your heart space you have to set your intention. Moen's approach to teaching this is the best I have read so far. He has you identify the feeling of stating an intention, then when you state an intention later you remember that feeling. You are then instantly in your heart space, in the place you can set your intention. There is real magic here in the setting of intention. It goes back to the Toltec teachings and perhaps further. Might be the true root of prayer. I believe God created everything, and am open to it evolving or not - beyond my belief in God creating everything I hold no other origin beliefs, and this belief is one I can let go if proven false. In any case I believe God created what I call mechanisms, in the universe, that we can tap into. Intentions activate one of these mechanisms. I know they work. I have experienced it numerous times in just the last few months. But intentions require faith, belief, trust, and must be driven at an energetic level - your heart space - your emotions. That energy is far more powerful, near as I can determine, than your mental energy. Your emotional energy at its root connects to the source, and the source, God or God's essence or whatever you want to call it, is driven by love. Real, pure, true love. As corny as it sounds, love really does drive the entire whole of creation. It is at the root of all power. It is stronger than any other power, because it is the essence of God. So setting your intentions as close to the source as possible ensures that they will be fulfilled. The trick? You can't drive an intention by hatred, That would separate it from love and weaken it. Same for fear. The opposite is also true. If you set an intention based on pure love for another, say you want to heal someone or raise them from the dead, and it is not love motivated by anything other than love, then you will heal that person or raise them from the dead. This is not power given specifically to some religion, as if any religion could contain and constrain God, as if any religion and its followers could be the exclusive power holders. It's not just Christians that can heal or raise the dead. Anyone, driven by love, connected to the source, can do these things. That's another key. If you are deeply connected to the source, driven by love, then all your intentions will also be driven by love, and they will be incredibly powerful. This may be how the relationship I have with a being in another reality started. I must have intended to be with someone, while manipulating Brittany's form, and my intention drew someone to me. So it is possible to serious screw things up for yourself when using the power of intentions. The closer to the source you are, the more love that is inside you, the more careful you should be with what you silently, mentally, or vocally intent. This is also why your mindset is important. Your mindset is a mental level intention. When it combines with your emotional center, it is set into motion. You really do create your reality. If you get up one morning and think, "This day is going to really suck" based perhaps on the previous days being bad, you tap into that memory, you feel what you felt those previous days, your mental intention focuses on the negative, those feeling memories power it up, and off it goes, to create for you the very thing you intended, to have a really sucky day. Group intentions are even more powerful. If enough people in a bad enough area are hoping for a miracle the mechanism of intention will activate and a miracle will occur. A statue that cries blood. A military force that just gets up and leaves. A war that ends. A lost person who is found. All of these and more are driven by a collective intention, based on hope, which ties it to the emotional center and is based more on love, so it is very powerful. I would advice you save this page and think about these words. I am giving you some very important truths here, the keys to what you define as reality. May you take them and use them well! As for me I am going to set my intention, focused on the positive, driven by love, the love I have for this being, to go to her and be with her. I am also looking into creating a mandala I can focus on. As I am an image-driven person, I think this would add extra power to my intention. So that's the plan for now - - DreamBliss

[DreamBliss]

It appears there may be two real world options for outer world travel, just in case anyone wanted to know: 1. You master the energies of your body. It has been said in a few texts that once you can do this you can materialize and de-materialize yourself at will. Since your body is energy, and even you in your body are energy, and energy is driven by intention, then mastering your energy and using a strong intention can direct your body wherever you like. You can literally telelport yourself Star Trek style. But I know of nobody who has managed to attain this state, and have found no accounts of it, just the possibility. 2. You use a portal. Meg Blackburn Losey gives the most information on these I have so far found. Portals are easy to find. In one of her accounts she enters a house to find a child, sickly, possessed by a demon. In going downstairs she finds a portal, and she can see souls traveling through it from different eras and even worlds. She sends everyone back through it, to their time or world, and ends up fighting and defeating the demon by going through the portal. As I understand it this was a consciousness travel, not full physical body. Mrs. Losey described portals as sort of balancing points. They typically cycle through worlds and some sort of system that I forget the name for. There are some portals that will allow physical travel. One is a doorway in that city/ruin where that gold sun disk was said to have been brought through. Again I forget all the names. Portals will only allow certain people to go through them. They are typically marked in nature by guardian trees, usually in sets of three, usually very old trees, and the ground inside their formation will have different vegetation or none at all. You can also find portals using dowsing rods. Physical travel through portals is rare, but according to Losey it has been done and can be done. This now has become my primary subject of interest. While I study the subjects I have been advised to study and work on the areas of myself I have been advised to, I will be seeking more information on portals, their locations, how to use them, etc. If anyone here has anything to say on the subject of portals, please feel free to post! - DreamBliss

[dreamcatcher81]

Well... I think science is on the brink of proving that physical reality's foundations are inward not outward. Which suggest waking reality can be minipulated much the same way u manipulate a dream. I think we are changing the reality around us every day but it is so subtle most times we dont take notice. It's clear 2 me when I dream I'm entering a non consensus reality where things like flying and passing through walls are possible mainly because there is no one to challenge the idea. In waking life I'm experiencing a consensus reality where agreement is required for me to operate in a certain manner.

[DreamBliss]

Yes. Intent driven by belief can change what you think of as "reality", and is responsible for what we currently experience as reality, that having been set by some other's, or group of others, intentions driven by belief. In essence if you truly believe in the truth, that your physical body is not as solid as it seems, and you begin to believe you can walk through walls in waking life, then, in time, it is likely you could develop the ability to walk through walls. But first you have to overcome the "consensus belief", as you said, or others, that you can't walk through walls, because they are a physical object and so are you. You also have to overcome what your senses tell you when you touch a wall. Normally your hand doesn't go through. You have to stop the expectation drilled in your since birth that your hand will not go through that wall. When you move past these and all other associated limited beliefs you can do things the consensus says is impossible. Of course there is another approach. You can come at this from a scientific/inventor angle. Figure out how to break down your body into particles that can then be shifted elsewhere - teleportation. Or figure out how to temporarily remove the bonds that make the wall solid, so you can pass through, like water. Some theory here says the key is vibration rates. This seems to hold true on the energetic planes as well. If you can vibrate your body or the wall at the right frequency you can make either non-solid. Don't fall into the "consensus reality" trap that there are no other worlds, no other realities, no parallel universes. Doesn't matter if there are are aren't. Just accept the possibility that not everything occurs in your mind. It is in this openness that you free yourself from other limiting beliefs. The truly free person has no limited beliefs. I need to work on this too. I insist that these other states exist outside the mind, but as much as I don't agree with it, I have to accept the possibility that it could all be, literally, in my head. Any prison we are in is one we either put ourselves in, or choose to remain in. When we leave the prison, we see that it was never there in the first place. Even the idea of a prison of limiting beliefs is itself a prison. The only thing that can ever limit us is us. DreamBliss

[The Cusp]

However my best friend has informed me that the whole thing was a prank pulled by Don Juan, so this book and its accounts may either be fake, or may be drug induced hallucinations or something. Dunno, haven't looked into it, I'll believe the book is true until it is proven to be false. You're right. Castaneda was constantly being trolled Don Juan, but that doesn't make the information contained in those books any less important. In the book "Tales of Power" Don Juan explains in explicit detail how he tricked him and what it was meant to accomplish. Don Juan was on of two sorcerers in charge of Castaneda's training. Don Juan's responsibility was "rearanging the tonal" of Castaneda. He described the island of the Tonal as containing everything you know, basically describing your system of personal archetypes. Don Juan says things like cleaning the island of the tonal and rearranging it, but what he's really talking about is rewiring the basic patterns of the brain, reprogramming. That kind of information is just too good to be fake. Anyways, try Tales of Power. I think it should have the kind of info you're looking for. It describes a scene where Castaneda is basically flipping back and forth between dream and where he went to sleep, waking up, and thinks he could wake up at either location. But he wusses out and wakes where he went to bed. When he asks them about it, they basically flat out tell him all he had to do was pick where he wanted to wake up. THen at the end of the book they're doing some... stuff... There's a few parts in that one that relate to what you're looking for. For anyone wanting to start reading Castaneda, I'd recommend you skip the first two books completely. He just doesn't have a clue for the entire duration of those books. Both books are nothing but him encountering something strange, thinking someone is playing a trick on him, then coming up with rational explanations. Strange, trick, explanation. over and over. It gets tiresome fast. But who knows, maybe he did that on purpose. Force the readers through two books of lame rational explanations so that they get sick of them, then they won't interfere so much when the real explanations present themselves. Or he was a dumb ass who wasted his first two books prattling on about nothing. Personally, I think he was a dumb ass who was very adept at describing strange things. But there's just too much good stuff in there for it all to be fake. Like how they take his habit of constantly taking notes and turn it into a personalized magical ritual just for him, all the while him not knowing it. Tons of examples of that ritual being used in various situations, and of how they created it.