I hear that some people can actually SEE what they visualize. I know I am not one of these people. I can visualize it but I can't 'see' it. This seems like an interesting ability to have for inducing a lucid dream. So can any of you do this?
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I hear that some people can actually SEE what they visualize. I know I am not one of these people. I can visualize it but I can't 'see' it. This seems like an interesting ability to have for inducing a lucid dream. So can any of you do this?
People have different levels of visualization naturally. Lets say i tell you to visualize an apple. Some people can visualize the apple perfectly in a clear vivid images. Others can get a vague blurry image of what is looks like, while others just think of the concept. A way to increase this visualization is to practice mediation and/or dream yoga. Im not sure if there is a class on mediation, but there is a dream views academy class on dream yoga for sure. Good luck! :)
Interesting, thanks for the info. What is your level of visualization? As for me I can only think of the concept
I've always had very visual dreams. Even more so when they are lucid.
Thats cool, but thats not what I mean. What I am talking about is when you visualize something do you actually see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluemoon
Only if I wake up in the middle of the night and visualize (sometimes) or if I've taken lots of benadryl (read: recreational doses, meaning doses of 300 mg+ [for me usually between 400 and 600 mg] which results in delirium--if you feel like trying this, read up on it first, because next to nobody finds it enjoyable, though for whatever reason I do).
Personally, i can get a blurry image of what I'm thinking of. I don't have great visualization either xD
Well its better than me. I can't see anything. I can 'see' the concept and 'see' what it would look like but I can't actually see it from my eyelids.
Yes I actually see was I am visualizing.
I've had past life dreams where I am looking in the mirror. It's me but I look different and am wearing period clothing. Just to give you an idea how well I see in my dreams.
Not sure if this has to do with anything related with eidetic memory, but ever since I started to build up on my dream recall when I first joined this forum, I can look at certain dream journal entries I made, and literally get snippets of what I experienced.
Though I had those fleeting images before, but never really gave it much thought...sometimes it ends up bad, and I can imagine cruel things like bullets piercing through someone's head, things like fire forming, etc.
Whenever I want to draw myself in some kind of outfit and/or situation, I can quickly imagine an image of myself in it. Though it tends to look better in my mind than when I actually draw it. :lol:
I guess with practice, anyone can develop eidetic memory (to some extent, unless you're already lucky in the gene pool for things like that).
how can i develop eidetic memory ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Linkzelda
btw yesterday i created similar topic, .dreamviews. com/f36/how-learn-do-vivid-visualizations-so-vivid-will-confuse-real-world-physical-things-135046/
there are some ways to do it but its very hard and very long and complicated....
Beats me, I don't try to focus on developing it seriously, but if I wanted to, I would just focus on trying to fuse left and right brain hemispheres (in a nutshell, seeing and learning things subjectively and objectively), imaginative thinking and anything related to locking in images in your head. You should look up on some articles, or even simulations that might help with eidetic memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by memtest81
-But with those alone, you'd have to take into consideration of what else it could be developing instead of one aspect you want to improve on, which might skew the whole ambition in that development in the first place.
-Then you have to worry if it's just rote memory, and try to find ways that could improve working memory, an aspect of short term memory. I would assume that if you can strengthen short-term memory, it can help with sustaining images inside your mind until it's consciously or unconsciously moved to long-term memory.
However, being able to memorize certain events etc. visually in your mind in precise detail for a few seconds or minutes, compared to imaginative thinking and development (where you go beyond the still image manifested in your mind) are completely different, and that takes way more initiative than you had in the first place.
Working memory, as far as what I learned from professors specialized in neuroscience and other fields, is still something new to be researched on.
could you ask this professor about: (remove this character from url '_' in ww_w)
ww_w.bio.net/bionet/mm/neur-sci/1998-May/031862.html
and if he knows some stuff to make it easier to create this mhv mcv jumps without drugs meds ?
I have lost all communication with him unfortunately. :( Good luck though. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by memtest81
And the link you showed seems to be going into biochemical processes, and that discussion itself would just make things off-topic. I think. :cheeky:
As I child I would close my eyes in bed and instead of seeing blackness I saw all kinds of random stuff floating by in my vision. Yes, SAW.
I have full natural eidetic memory - I'm going to fix some things some people said above.
1) Full eidetic memory can not be learnt nor taught. You are either born with it or without it.
2) Eidetic memory does not enhance your visualisation - that DOES have to be learnt. However once you can visualise eidetic memory enhances and makes what you see extremely more vivid.
Original question: I can visualize in extremely vivid detail everything over the past month instantaneously, a year if I concentrate, and more if shown pictures that spark memories.
Only one in many thousands will possess an ability like this - therefore rare and somewhat sought over.
Cheers,
Zero
When you actually see what you visualize, aren't you just hallucinating? Never knew somebody who could do that. (Unless they where on drugs, or meditating)
The reason why it can't be "learned" nor "taught" are many factors:Quote:
Originally Posted by zeromention
We do not have the technology and the competence to understand the human brain fully, as yet (it's always going to continue to grow...as long as we're still alive of course). We know that lucid dreaming itself introduces to many many many unique states of consciousness, and eidetic memory is simply a part of consciousness that has yet to be taken seriously rather than putting it as a cold case as something you are born with or not.
It's a unique process in retaining information, but it does not mean you shut it off completely as something that can't be learned. It IS a process in a brain, and again, technology and research can help alleviate that, but it simply has not been shown as YET to show consistent results.
It can be learned and taught before adolescence stage, because by the time you're an adult, you will already be used to processing data and interpreting in a specific way. It's just not a common habit for a parent to train their babies to become "little eidetic prodigies."
Those who do claim to have full eidetic memory do not necessarily have absolute "photographic memory" where it can be permanently stored and accessed over and over and over and over again after it's been taught of. Usually, when it does come into mind, it is very rare to actually bring it back to full and exact detail. Of course, training can help with sustaining major parts of a "snapshot" image, but the brain itself has its own flaws in processing information, and this "photographic" memory has to be processed in the brain, which means its just a unique way the brain processes data to give "snapshot" images.
Research may not be done as abundantly in the process of this eidetic memory and seeing if it can be applied constantly, but those who claim to have it have been shown in many studies that it's simply a way the brain processes data to reconstruct into an image.
And working memory IS a factor in possibly eradicating this set in stone notion that it's only an ability that you can be born with, and like I've said before, even if you claim to have natural eidetic memory, this does not mean you have the traditional sense of it. It is an aspect of having extraordinary working memory, which means the images WILL fade away at some point.
Please don't declare it "not being possible to learn unless you were born with it" as an absolute law without challenging the many levels of human consciousness. :D But if you have unlocked all levels of human consciousness without going insane from the limits mortal minds can hold, please tell us. :)
Everything thought of, gained, learned, and such has a pattern, everything has a process....if you are able to connect the dots, it can be possible, it shouldn't be set in stone like that with modern beliefs of eidetic memory vs the traditional definition of it.
Nope. Some people have the ability to create visible images when they visualize something. I wonder if they could use this ability of great visualization to enter into dreams better. Who knows what the possibilities are with people with super visualization.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ekyu
I can see where you are coming from but I respectfully disagree with you. I think it can be learned with the right training. Who knows maybe binaural beats which are used for doing a crap load of things could probably be used to 'program' your brain to process information like a person with eidetic memory. But don't just write it off as just either being born with it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeromention
Ok to be a little philosophic here... How do you know that you can even see at all? It's not your eyes that see, ears that hear etc. They are just receivers of the information, it's your mind that see, hear, feel and taste.
But when I visualize I do it with my mind and I don't mean a third eye kind of way, I just mean that I don't see it with my physical eyes by looking at my eyelids or whatever.
You can practice visualization with eyes open to really confirm that you don't see it with your physical eyes. Look at an empty surface, like your desk for example and then imagine as vividly as you can a pen laying there or a mug you choose. And don't expect it to suddenly pop and see it in full detail, but more of a feeling that all your awareness is on the visualization and makes it vivid for just a millisecond. If nothing happens and yo don't understand what I mean, don't worry you use your minds eye all the time, try this instead. Keep your eyes open and think about a memory, and try to experience it as vividly as you can, you can't do this wrong so just make a try. Learn how it feels to do this kind of exercise for you!
Now CLOSE YOUR EYES! and do the same exercises over again but try to not look at your eyelids, close your eyes as you would do if you tried to fall asleep and relax. Another good way to practice visualization is to visualize things that you normally do n waking life, like opening a door, holding a pen and write, clap your hands, anything you can think of and always visualize as vividly as you can and don't stain yourself, because you already know how to visualize vividly you do it every time you think during the day as well.
I hope this helped. And read some of my dream journal entries where I mention dream flashes to see if you experience something similar.
Good luck!
I think that I 'see' what I visualize. Some people's brains work in concepts, others in words, equations, pictures, etc.
I tend to think in pictures and concepts. When I think of an apple as someone else stated, an apple pops up in my head. I can even block out what I'm really seeing and see the apple. I can be so into a daydream sometimes that I see the daydream and completely block out what my eyes are really seeing in front of me. It is as if I am in a trance. But once my concentration falters, I loose the day dream. When I was younger I thought everyone was able to do that, but as I got older I realized how differently people's brains and imaginations work.
Interestingly enough, on the topic of dreams: my dreams are almost always vivid, especially with sight and feeling. At times hearing as well (but usually I somehow know I'm not really hearing what is going on in the dream... although I've had some interesting dreams where I've spoken in Spanish and Japanese fluently (I'm just about fluent in Spanish and I'm learning Japanese now). BUT... I've never had a fully complete lucid dream - I always wake up once I begin to realize I am dreaming and attempt to attain lucidity.
but see what you visualize is not just seeing it in your mind. or to thing that this is really there. seeing what you visualize is that when you put apple on table, you visualize second apple near that one and to such extend that you will not known which one is real and which one is not. from this forum, as i found only this guy could do that(as he wrote):
dreamviews.com/f12/inducing-trance-wild-part-2-a-29491/
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Originally Posted by sythix
The only time I see (properly) what I visualise is when actually having a lucid dream itself, although I do realise the OP intends the visualisation to induce the LD.
Sometimes I can get near to it if I get really strong HH, but that is fickle and unrelaible.
From a 'fully awake' state I can sort of do it (up to a point) only if I have a VERY BAD migraine, or I'm virtually going to be sick, as I go into near 'delirium' where as soon as I shut my eyes then I can visualise things automatically, at will - sitting up. (I'm tempted to leave my eyes open next time!)
I once found myself in one of my neighbour's kitchen across the road, although I never verified if it was 'exactly' the same? A bit bizzare though. :)
Interesting. So what if when one visualizes you are actually creating a dream world at that very moment but you since you are awake you can't intersect with it. And those with great visualization such as sythix is able to interact with these 'dream' objects and touch them and feel them as if they were real.Quote:
Originally Posted by memtest81
I think you can do something with this. If you can try and visualize that apple, then try to 'touch' the apple and pay attention to how it feels. I think when one visualizes you are creating a dream world but you just can't interact with it, but with those with super visualization skills like you can interact with this 'image'. So go ahead and try it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaMaster14
i think anybody can visualize to some extend. i can just visualize apple, touch it feel as it is real even when writing this, i have now my mouth full of salivia, i can cut it, remove skin from it and see it in real time but in my mind, not physically as sythix.
Wow thats freaking amazing man! If you can touch it and feel it as if real already then have you tried 'immersing' yourself into your image?Quote:
Originally Posted by memtest81
immersing while being awake ? i dont know how to do it, if i try what i think it cut off my senses for few moments i can integrate myself with this apple. feel it from inside..better is when i image it inside my mind, and spin my awareness around it, this is really awesome because after few spins i 1 - can see it very clear, even clearer and 2. there is nice head pain.
this would be awesome if i could totally cut of reality and be in this apple inside for as long as i want, but there is only few moments..
what do you mean by immersing into it ?
I think that when one visualizes you are actually creating a mental world like a dream but since you are awake you can only just look at it but not be inside it. So what I mean by immersing into it I mean creating an image like a forest then try to put all of your consciousness into that world and interact with it sorta like a dream. Think you can do that?Quote:
Originally Posted by memtest81
It is a skill developed through awareness of unconscious abilities learned or not. The unconscious remembers everything so its just a matter of recall.
This is what helps...
Take a memory, any memory, and attempt to recall the memory in as much conceivable detail as possible. Your mind will then illuminate connected memories and you can do the same with each consecutive memory. You must take your time, thinking of each sensory perception and environmental detail with supreme exactness. This will increase your eidetic memory.
I learned this concept in waking life through my intuitive knowledge of dream recall. As a child, at night, I would lie in bed and recall memories of the day; then slowly work my way backwards through dreams and waking memories.
Part of this is my natural ability. I have the most unique(rare) psychological type of mind according to the Myers Briggs test. Through various circumstances, I have learned to take advantage of my specific "mind skills".
Also, these experiences can get weird. I often experience synesthesia as well as extremely vivid memory recall brought on by sensory inputs. For example: I will smell something and an entire memory block from my past will be recalled instantaneously. I can then explore that memory and its connections as I outlined before.
These practices will greatly help dream recall as well...Only downside I have seen is some of the emotional reactions I have. Other than that its pretty great...
Thats awesome man! I will definitely take try what you said.
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Originally Posted by Chimpertainment
I have had this happen to me as well. Smells, and even sounds and tastes trigger memories from my past. Just yesterday the smell of grass in august mixed with the smell of a gardenia brought back a whole bombardment of child-hood day camp memories. My mom would always pick a gardenia from our garden for me to give to the van/bus driver on the way to camp every morning during the summer. Funny enough... thinking about that smell and remembering my remembrance has brought back even more memories...
I have vivid dream recall, and I recall my dreams often... but I am still unable to really become lucid - I am always so immersed in my dreams that they seem real at the time, even though they are preposterous when I am awake.
Cool! Ive started doing this practice again before I fall asleep. Unfortunately, its been so long since ive done it consistently that its pretty tedious. In the past, it was something I did every night. Eventually, I would begin to store and recall memories in a much different way. The form it reminds me of is the fractal. A large amount of memory can be stored in a space, then you can zoom out, and that once large memory is a smaller block yet everything has remained in the same shape. In my experience, once I became proficient in the practice, I could remember every moment for quite some time into the past, then older memories would meld into a string of consecutive memories. If I concentrated hard enough, the older memories could be accessed as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daredevilpwn
I didn't really mean to ramble on but its something that has been on my mind recently.
I retained that practice for a few years. Then I had a major turning point in my life and my dream practice was eradicated from my mind along with my memory exercises. These skills seemed to turn inside out and even work against me without my conscious knowledge.
It was almost like I willfully discarded my memory. Anyways, I am getting it back slowly but surely. I think everyone has this ability; however, adults are essential programmed which can make these exercises pretty rigorous.
Its linked pretty closely with the general concentration and focus a person needs when using intention towards dreaming. Teks like MILD, Dream Incubation, and general recall are greatly helped through this practice.
so yeah...
Good to know im not the only one. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SaMaster14
Yeah, sometimes the experience is very powerful depending on the memory. If it is linked with a lot of repressed emotional energy, there can be quite a physiological reaction.
Perhaps trying a mantra before sleep would help. That seems to be what helps me become lucid the most, that and WBTB. I usually try "I will have a lucid dream" or something similar to a straightforward statement. According to some dream researchers, tone of voice is very important. To me, that would make sense because of the emotional reaction caused by vocal tones. Also, memories are more likely to be recalled if emotion is attached to them. So, in that vein, speaking in a tone that resonates(literally) with you personally could help. Personally, I try using a determined, confident, assured tone. This also helps produces a certain intention, and concentration on that state of mind. And the state of mind we want is lucidity. :voodoo:
now this is amazing and i want to learn that... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chimpertainment
Yes I am able to visual very well; now if only I could draw....
I can visualize full scenes from the past or imagine a creative world that is completely alien to our dimension.. or I can do the simple apple visualization.
I'm intrigued by chimpertainments comment; I have experienced something similar and didn't connect all the dots. I very often become nostalgic and will visually see the scenes of my life as they happened in the past and have been able to go farther and farther back; perhaps if I visualize a zoom out behavior I can improve my range.
Able to visualize the scene compared to having a second screen on a computer with my eyes open.. Meaning I can still see the world as it is and a secondary view of what I'm visualizing(star wars hoth scenes right now) or with my eye's closed it takes the black blank screen and fills it with whatever I feel.
Wow. Some many people on here with these awesome visual visualization skills...I am kinda jealous now lol
Smell is a very strong memory trigger. I get the same thing too. Mom's caught me practically shoving stuff up my nose in order to recollect a memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chimpertainment
I wonder what its like for those with Synthesia. Being able to see sounds and taste colors seems trippy.
Yeah I wonder too, but they probably wonder how it's like to not have it. Just like we can't imagine not having the sense of touch or taste.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daredevilpwn
This is one of my way to avoid nightmares, whenever I feel like having a nightmare, I visualize other things and tries to control it until it becomes my dream and avoid the nightmare coming..
I didnt know that every one cant see what they visualize.
i used to be alot better at seeing stuff in my mind when i first was getting into visualization and meditation and astral projection, i would get to a point that what i was trying to see would become absolutely real looking it would spin me out when i tried to focus my eyes and look around it would vanish, then i started smoking alot of pot....and lost it... i dont know if weed had anything to do with it tho
Aww that sucks. You should quit the pot, I bet u can induce similar experiences u get from pot in a lucid dream state or other altered states of consciousnessQuote:
Originally Posted by acillis
It has been almost one year since I began meditating regularly, and about two years since I started taking acid/mushrooms and taking an interest in visualization and mental metaprogramming and that sort of thing, paying attention to my thought processes and such, and I've noticed a really interesting, dramatic transition in how my memory works. For most of my life my memories and thoughts were pretty much restricted to vague conceptualizations. For example, I could look at my desk, then close my eyes and have a general idea of what things were in what positions, and even have a sort of CONCEPTUAL understanding of what their appearance was, but I could never drum up any sort of image visualization.
Now I can visualize just about anything. I can re-experience tastes, sounds, sights, even feelings, textures, etc. To be clear, this is not 100% 'real' like it is when I'm lucid dreaming. These things all exist in my "mind's eye", as it were, but they exist there VERY VIVIDLY. If I picture an orange, imagine peeling it and eating it, I can ALMOST, but not quite, feel the tingle in my nose from the smell, and my mouth waters like crazy. Damn, now I really want an orange... The best way I can think to describe it is that when I imagine or visualize things, I tune into an imaginary duplicate of myself, who senses everything as utterly vivid, but the tuning is weak. It's like slipping just 1% into a lucid dream, if that makes sense. I can picture, say, a green field, and experience it QUITE vividly through a sort of alternate, imaginary sensorium, but the experiences in that sensorium never bleed into this one. I never ACTUALLY taste or smell the orange, though it feels ALMOST like I do.
Something I discovered that blew my mind at the time and is still impressive to me is this visualization trick. I'm curious if it works this vividly for others, you folks should try it and let me know? The idea is, imagine yourself standing in front of a door, and tell yourself in simple terms what is going to be on the other side of that door, then imagine opening the door. For example, if I say, "There's going to be a big dramatic church behind this door," when I 'open' it, my mind generates a complete building with quite a lot of detail AUTOMATICALLY, pews, pillars, stained glass windows, etc., much like in dreaming. I never noticed this prior, and I'm sure everyone can do it, but something about it impresses the hell out of me.
Within the past couple days I've begun making a concerted effort to Astral Project based on how easy it was to get into Lucid Dreaming regularly once I gave it a serious effort. Today when I did it I experienced something new. I've always gotten interesting and vivid hypnagogic imagery when I manage to stay conscious during the initial falling-asleep process, but it was always sort of vague flashes, and generally consisted of shapes and patterns. Today, however, when I was trying to project, it was fairly different. In the blackness of my vision I'd see light forms appear, and then those forms would abruptly become windows through which I could *see* with utter clarity and vividness scenes. I spun around a mesa in a vast desert, saw a strange dining room/coffee shop type thing, and a variety of other really vivid, LIVE and moving images, as though peering directly into a dream. I wasn't able to shift into these or anything, but it was really interesting. Like you say, acillis, if I would attempt to move or focus my eyes or do just about anything at all, it would immediately collapse back to darkness. However, you may be relieved to know that I was QUITE stoned while doing that this morning and that I smoke quite a bit of weed, so I don't think it really has any actual limiting effect on these sorts of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by acillis
Dude...man i see like that sometimes. sometimes i can see it vividly only with my eyes closed and sometimes i can see it in my actual vision. But i dont have 100% control over what i see like for instance one time i saw a little chapel then this wave came through the front door and turned into a line of witches and they were going for my friend so i tried controlling it and it made these black hooded things with scythes kill them. I only seem to be able to see things during the end of the day.
During the past year my visualization skill has hit new level. Largest breakthrough was when I realiced connection between visual memories and made up visualizations. I've always been able to remember visual cues of past, mainly faces of friends and places I've been most connected. Then (thanks to psychedelics and morely half a year of meditation / dream yoga practice) I started get a clue what the minds eye really ment. Basicly I started to percive the moments when my mind held a picture. Before this I've given it a notice only when I've tried to picture a face of a friend who I've lost a connection with. Ironicly I hadn't put an effort to visualization up until the memories had allready began to vanish.
Now it has started to change quite dramatically. First I started to pay heed to those moments when I imagined something. Some of the pictures have always been there. Like when I read a book or invent a story, place or characters (for text or rpg session or elsevice). There have always been vague pictures. But they've been so short and at the edge mind that I've been left mostly with a experience of having only conceptual ideas, not images.
Now after noticing that there has been images, I've been able to prolong those images and give more intent to images than conceptual matrices. Then I realized that I've been trying to rewind myself to dreams of previous nights for many years now with varying results. Meaning that I've often succeeded of those recallings even visualy. Dream recallings had existed in different moods and states of mind than reading a book or trying to remember some old memories. So it was after practice and notion that I started to connect these things and give larger notion and difference to this part of memory and imagining that was visual, hence the minds eye. After noticing the ammount of visualization I've allready had done, it was more easy use it and stop and prolong the moments I was using the 'eye'. There has been short glimbses of visualization all a long, but the conseptual and verbal, rather than visual thought has overriden the images so that I've had no lasting memory and no belief of my visual capacities. I've discussed with couple of my friends who had always experiences books with wide and vivid mental pictures. I hadn't done that rather thought that I didn't posses visual kind of mind. Now I slowly started to change the self-image from no-visaul-type towards hadn't-give-a-notice-to-visual-type.
Another thing that has changed was skill to remember more distant past. I've had a belief that couple very ruff and even traumatic episodes of my life had made barriers that kept me of crossing them. I've had allready accepted fact of living with only past five years and having only vague memories past that. When that barrier began to broke (I'like to say that learned pastwalking) I spent couple of months drunken of meditation that showed me images and memories ranging backwards and even reaching my childhood, as well as larger spectrum of my own being changing while growing. Though I still see that places, people and, to pick one important clue: smells are doorways of memories, they can be feched with practice and by overcoming psychological barries that block the memory. After starting to cultivate skill of recalling it let me slowly but rewardingly backwards to person and history I had given up hope to ever meeting. Most psychedelic part has been with places that hold strong memories of past happenings. In those places I can see glimbses of myself as well as situation and company I'm with like interpolarated with present. Not automatically but with little effort. Sometimes I can see more than two moments simultoniusly and (in my crazy mind) even time crossing interconversation.
After noticing new things about visualization, memory and way senses work with enviroment and state of mind I've come to conlcusion that my field of experience is best described as layered one. Like when I'm wrapped up to myself I notice only first layers of reality (still having illusion of sensing). When aware and present I see past first layers of memories that think that if I've been in place before I know it even though it's made up mostly of my prejustices and mind state. After spending time in one place and luckily grasping more meditative state I get to see and sense deeper into the space I'm in. Reason why I use term layered is that space can hold matrices of categories I can tune in that really resemble some workings of computer graphic editing program strenched into worlds of multiple senses and field of time and memory. It's like I can tune into colorscape of some color and it pops up into surface of my sensing. Or even form. I can for example start to search for cigarette filters and all-the sudden I pick tincans, batteries, coffee thermoses, rolling pins and other resemblances of the given form at the surface of my experince.
These kind of tunings were shamanistic practices I read about couple of years ago. When I tried them then I didn't get much of the results. Then after last year launched by couple of trips and continuing with almost daily utilitarian meditative practices, they proved to be quite easy and blocks were suprising places and quite easy to overcome. Mostly I have a feeling that I mostly started to pay attention to things I've been doing all the time and giving more intention to them.
Easy and rewarding way to try this is color blue. Atleast if you live in downtown or other place where buildings are tall. I realised I've been cutting or layering out the sky in urban landscape. By tuning into blue colourscape it feels like my visual fields is suddenly strenched into three times as pick visual field with attention of the beauty of clouds added to previously poorer visual experince.
I read that DMT as well (maybe) being part of REM-sleep state is also part of process where mind builds sensual experience of surroundings. By my experience this makes sense
I can see realistic images..like watching a movie in hd...but i dont control it...it goes from one to another
thanks man, i will someday:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daredevilpwn
hope your right:)Quote:
Originally Posted by ThisWitheredMan
I think only the gifted people has the ability to see what they visualize. These include those who have predictions related to religious aspects.
If the thread is about seeing as hallucinating, that I can only do it as a side-effect of meditation, and that ability vanishes when I'm not meditating or am otherwise focusing only on "real life". That's good: anybody who can do it without effort, uncontrollably, will probably get into trouble.
My opinion on this is that effortless hallucinating is often a curse rather than a gift, because it signifies a mental imbalance. And mentally imbalanced people could misinterprete their visions, believe in their reality, etc. Which doesn't help at all. Like, what would happen if you see a devil in your room and believe he's real?
You got it all wrong. I am not talking about people that have mental disorders. I am talking about those that can see a very vivid mental image when they try to visualize something, like a horse for example. I can only imagine the concept of what a horse would look like. But others when they visualize a horse they get a very clear image of the horse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intfere
How can you measure against somebody else your ability to visualize mentally? Say, you can see particular details, you can hear the sound, and tactile sensation like wind. Say, somebody else has it the same way, but how do you compare the intensity of these sensations? I don't know of such a way.
I always thought that all people visualize the same way, until my friend told me that in the past he couldn't visualize at all. It varies for sure, but there's no way that I know of to compare.
That said, I still think that a hallucination is the best visualization. Both happen in your mind and are of the same nature.
The best thing you can do is just ask "On a scale of 1-10 how vivid are your visuals 1 being no image at all to 10 being full blown HD" But that is just visuals alone so you can use the same 1-10 scale for all other senses as well. Other than that I have no idea. Unless humanity makes special tech that lets us see what people are thinking on a monitor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intfere
I use two methods of visualization, the first one being the normal one where you try imagine the concept of it, it's as if you see the image behind your eyes, but as if your eyes are not associated in any way. As you go into sleep your normal eyesight is cut off and this visualization becomes amplified as if it replaces your eyes, at this point it doesn't feel like visualization anymore and you don't really have to try. Compared to a lucid dream (if the ld was 10) I'd put this visualization at 3 and when day dreaming at 5-6.
The other method I use of visualization is by trying to see things when I close my eyes by morphing the image. It's really difficult and I'm not sure how to explain it, I kind of make my brain believe I'm actually seeing something. The weird part is that it isn't half as clear as a normal visualization yet in a way alot more. In terms of colour and detail you domn't actually see that much but when you explain to someone what you saw you can go on about it 2x longer.
I don't know if theirs much of a difference between the two but in walking life they certainly seem quite different.
But you can still lucid dream?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daredevilpwn
to the OP; download Robert Bruce's ebook Astral Dynamics and go to Part 2 of the book. Chapter 8 "Imagination vs Visualization". you can get the download here Robert Bruce's AstralBob.com
i have a bit to say about this myself mostly along the lines of HI but i don't have time to write it out right now but i think that for a lot of people that are trying to have their first experiences this is a HUGE problem area and a lot of misconceptions about it. Robert Bruce has given the best description though so check it out.
Thanks. Over the past few months since this post I've begun to understand. When you imagine something you are 'seeing' it with your minds eye but not on a physical level. When one closes their eyes they see something called closed eye hallucinations. Some people can control them really really well whereas someone like me cannot but it can be trained.Quote:
Originally Posted by Runeword
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But you can still lucid dream?
yeah i can visualize sumthin and its sorta faded looking, or like a fog around it , sort of like a ghost image of it, but sumtimes in the mornings i can visualize sumthing so clear its exactly real, like im watching a movie. and when i can visualize like that i can imagine a scene in my mind with 180 degree vision , its like my eyes were open, its that real.
This is the main reason I joined DV. Iv looked at many threads about Controlled Hallucination and AP (Astral Projection) I have been able to have a hallucination. I followed this guide to do that. I would infer if you get good enough you can Que it in seconds and really get good at controling it. How to self Induce Hallucinations - YouTube