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      What is astral projection?

      Okay first of all before you go : "Why didnt you use wikipedia" or "Why didnt you google it"
      The reason for that is that I need an explanation from how can I say some person that can explain it the easy way. So , my question is how would you explain the Astral projection and how does it feel like? Does it have anything to do with Lucid Dreams?
      Thanks for understanding

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      Generally it's the same thing, instead of leaving your body like you do every night when you dream, unconsciously.
      You consciously leave your body when you Astral project, meaning you know what you are doing and you want to leave your body, the same as a WILD.
      A lot of people don't want to call a WILD Astral Projection.

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      The only difference between a dream and a lucid dream is how you conceptualize it. In a dream you think it's reality, in a lucid you think it's a dream. That makes a huge difference.

      As far as I'm concerned, AP is just a third option, a different way of conceptualizing the same dream, and that conceptualization will completely change the entire dream experience.
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      All lucid dreams are out of body experiences but not all out of body experiences are lucid dreams. When you lucid dream you are obviously NOT perceiving things through the physical body so lucid dreams are technically OBES. However not all OBES are are lucid dreams. Astral Projection is another type of consciousness shift, it is not a lucid dream because the world you are in is not all created by you, not only that but a projector has a much more greater amount of awareness than they would have during a lucid dream. When projecting most projectors end up in the 'real time double' which is an astral double of the physical world and what you see there happens here unless you invoke a reality shift. Like dreams the astral world is sensitive to the power of thought which means if the projectors mind is not in check he/she may make scenarios in the real time double that hasn't actually happened. This is why it is hard to prove the validity of Astral projection because it is too easy to make a reality fluctuation. The projector must be in full control of his/her thoughts or else he/she may shift out of the real time double into a different plane of existence entirely.

      Another thing I like to add. Must Astral Projection experiences usually end up with the projector coming back to his/her body or suddenly getting a feeling of being pulled back to his/her body. While in a lucid dream most people feel like they are fading away or the world is vanishing.
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      Quote Originally Posted by The Cusp View Post
      In a dream you think it's reality, in a lucid you think it's a dream.
      You know, if someone had said that a few months ago, it would have made things a hell of a lot simpler.

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      ^^ Months? How about years? And it wasn't so much it wasn't being said (a lot), as it wasn't being heeded; such words are rarely absorbed.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      ^^ Months? How about years? And it wasn't so much it wasn't being said (a lot), as it wasn't being heeded; such words are rarely absorbed.
      As with everything on the Internet, there's so much noninformation and disinformation and incorrect information to have to hack through to actually get to what is really important.

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      ^^ So true. And it would be nice -- and very productive -- if more people held that understanding as a foundation for how they post, and whether truth or just seeming right is their goal.

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      I paid a half-hour visit to a metaphysical section of a bookstore last night, searching for food, like a lonely man looking for love at a strip club. I find the volume of bullshit depressing. Its as if some creative people had a late night brainstorming session, then declared every result to be established fact to be authoritatively parroted thereafter. I'd put my time where my mouth is and write my own book, but I don't really know anything either, not enough to fill a book.

      Unfortunately, I have to disagree about the standard definition of lucid dreaming, that "its a lucid dream if you're aware you're dreaming". That doesn't appear to me to be what most people are actually talking about when they speak of lucid dreaming, even though the two experiences often coincide for most people. It seems to me that the main thing that makes a "lucid dream" is that you're using your imagination to drive the same sensate mental simulation that you usually use to represent your surroundings when you're awake. That's what gives it the "holy shit, its just like I'm awake" experience that people find compelling. If they had a "normal" dream in which they were aware that they are dreaming, I think they would be unlikely to call it a lucid dream unless they had never experienced the other thing. Such is my impression anyway.

      As I've often mentioned, I'm generally always aware that I'm dreaming when I'm dreaming, but very few of those dreams are lucid in the sense that people talk about here. I'm also mildly "lucid" while awake, using the "you're lucid if you know its a dream" definition. In other words I'm conscious that my sensate experience is an internally generated educated guess about my surroundings, and I feel it to be imagined rather than being a direct experience of my surroundings. Furthermore I think there's a sense in which the surroundings themselves are a kind of projection, but since I'm not conscious to the degree of the god-like mind that makes that projection, I don't necessarily experience it that way.

      I realized something new on the astral projection subject this weekend, from reading a science fiction description of an out of body experience....In my 'astral projection' experiences I have warped my first-person thought of where I am, displacing it from the actual location of my body. In contrast, in my 'out of body' experience I have given a visual view to an imagined third person perspective on the location as my body. People have those third person perspectives all the time, as a part of their situational awareness, but they don't usually visualize them. This distinction, between moving the first person perspective without moving the body, vs shifting it to an alternative third person perspective, seems to account for much of the difference between sleep paralysis astral projection, and the floating-at-the ceiling type of dislocation that people have such with a near death experience.

      See my response here http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/though...n-oobe-135900/ for an updated rehash of my general view on this subject, if you're interested and haven't seen it before.
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      Smile i recommend these old books

      Amazon.com: Projection of the Astral Body (9780877280699): Sylvan Joseph Muldoon, Hereward Carrington: Books

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      Amazon.com: Astral Projection (9780806504636): Oliver Fox: Books
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      both very good books to read, info is maybe a little out of date, but its these people who brought it to the public in the first place

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