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    Thread: Experienced LD'er needs help with Astral Projection! :)

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      Exclamation Experienced LD'er needs help with Astral Projection! :)

      Hey guys! So I have had tons of lucid dreams. Recently, I have been trying to have an Astral Projection. I have been trying multiple times a day, using a variety of techinques, to a variety of recordings.

      Recently I have been trying Astral Projecting with my friend. i know it's real because I actually wrote a note and put it in a high place, and he read it while Astral Projecting.

      Anyways, no matter how much I try, I am never able to Astral Project. I will always get into sleep paralysis, sometimes I will have feelings of floating or my body moving back and forth, I will get vibrations a lot, or I will feel my body start to lift a little and then snap back down.

      Last night, I was attempting to Astral Project, and all of a sudden I could see my room around me, but this vision immediately went away.

      Does anyone have any suggestions? I've been trying this a lot and would like to have a successful Astral Projection. I respect all opinions and think being skeptical is great, but in this particular thread, I'm not looking to have any debates about the existence of Astral projection, I am just looking for advice from people who have already astral projected.

      Thank you guys!
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      I'm sure you will get an excellent answer from MasterMind, so I'll just point out a few things.

      When you get your astral vision, you can use command to move your astral body away from the bed. Don't ask for your astral body to move, just think about moving it, as if it was a done deal. You can think "to the window, or door, or kitchen". Any place that's away from your sleeping body, so you don't get sucked back in too soon.

      I have practiced this moving of AB during day. I sit someplace with direct view of my bed and the place I want to move to, and visualize the path of movement, while saying "to the window".

      Have you heard about projection techniques? One of the most popular ones is the "rope". You visualize a rope hanging from a ceiling and your astral arms grabbing it and you pulling yourself out of your sleeping body. There is lot more of them, and you can actually try all of them in rapid succession, untill one of them will work. Check out this website. There is a downloadable free e-book and also pretty good short how-to videos.

      karen659 has great deal of experience in OBEs, if you want to read her thread.

      I have had 3 OBEs that I'm sure were OBEs. They were different than my WILDs. Oh, and I also did a OBE test with reading and it worked. Good luck

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      Dear Atras

      I found this after reading your OP.

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      http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/leaving-body-136732/

      Hope you like it. Bye the way do you know how many registered for the pdc this year. It was just over 200 last year. If you don't know would you find out for me.

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      Quote Originally Posted by gab View Post
      I'm sure you will get an excellent answer from MasterMind, so I'll just point out a few things.

      When you get your astral vision, you can use command to move your astral body away from the bed. Don't ask for your astral body to move, just think about moving it, as if it was a done deal. You can think "to the window, or door, or kitchen". Any place that's away from your sleeping body, so you don't get sucked back in too soon.

      I have practiced this moving of AB during day. I sit someplace with direct view of my bed and the place I want to move to, and visualize the path of movement, while saying "to the window".

      Have you heard about projection techniques? One of the most popular ones is the "rope". You visualize a rope hanging from a ceiling and your astral arms grabbing it and you pulling yourself out of your sleeping body. There is lot more of them, and you can actually try all of them in rapid succession, untill one of them will work. Check out this website. There is a downloadable free e-book and also pretty good short how-to videos.

      karen659 has great deal of experience in OBEs, if you want to read her thread.

      I have had 3 OBEs that I'm sure were OBEs. They were different than my WILDs. Oh, and I also did a OBE test with reading and it worked. Good luck
      Thanks for the info Gab! I have actually tried the rope technique a lot, no success. Have also tried roll over technique, finger wiggle, focusing on ringing ear sounds, turning vibrations into waves, just concentrating on breathing, etc. I'll check out the e-book though.

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      Robert Bruce

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojsS...e_gdata_player

      Wow! That guy is the author of the book Astral Dynamics. This is generouse of him to make a freeee Youtube on this extremely important problem.

      Back in the 70s Lobsang Rampa wrote that everyone leaves their body to go home (from this yucky earth school) every night. The problem is not "leaving the body" but "returning".

      Lobsang Ramper advised that as soon as you are aware that you are"out" be patient, and return. Slowely and gently re-enter and recored it.

      He said most don't return to their body untill the body insists.

      Then you get tugged-back by the silver-cord. You slam into your body and the shock wipes out the memory of the wonderful time you just had with your soul-friends back home.

      I like this youtube because Robert Bruces explanation may be describing the same phenomena as Lobsang Rampa.
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      Quote Originally Posted by debrajane View Post

      the shock wipes out the memory of the wonderful time you just had with your soul-friends back home.
      How convenient...

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      God, I still can't even lucid dream...
      But I've read so much on OBEs and APs and other planes...
      I probably DO travel like this every night-
      And ACTUALLY DO forget everything because of my horrible recall.

      Quote Originally Posted by VictoReverie
      How convenient...
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      Quote Originally Posted by VictoReverie View Post
      How convenient...
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      Guys, comments like this are not helping anybody. All they do is they clutter a thread. Please refrain from posting them.

      Debra, this is not a first time I have heard this about retaining memory of your astral projection. It's easier to remember, if you come back to your body gently, when you decide to return, instead of a violent reunion with your body. Also, if you decide to return, you have a better chance of waking up right away and record your experience while it's still fresh in your memory.

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      I have a question!
      Is there a reason lucid dreaming doesn't seem to be a popular launch pad into Astral Projection?

      I've heard of that being possible...
      ...and if you're a pretty experienced lucid dreamer, wouldn't it make sense to use that to your advantage?

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      Quote Originally Posted by SzuruDusk View Post
      I have a question!
      Is there a reason lucid dreaming doesn't seem to be a popular launch pad into Astral Projection?

      I've heard of that being possible...
      ...and if you're a pretty experienced lucid dreamer, wouldn't it make sense to use that to your advantage?
      I think many people here prefer LDs over APs, or believe they are the same, or don't believe in APs at all. The way I think about it is, that astral plains are real places, where you can't change the environment. You go there to explore your inner self, to reunite with loved ones and stuff like that. LDs are for fun, at least that's the main idea of majority of LDers. I could be totally wrong, though.

      And I think that level of awareness dictates where you end up - in AP or WILD.

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      One thing that I will contribute is that two distinctly different things get called AP.

      1st) OBE, any experience where you feel yourself free from your body, but the experience is of being kind of ghost like and here on earth. In this type you may see the view of rooms in your house and so on.

      2nd) What I consider AP, that is an experience in which you are no longer in a familiar ordinary world. In this type you have gone some place distinctly different from our normal world. The types of experience can be hugely different. Basically there is a chaotic swirling medium, and with in that swirling ocean, various island or levels exist. You may project to some random part of the astral 'ocean' in which case the scenery is blank or chaoticly moving and reforming. You may project thoughts that briefly bring the swirls into familiar shapes, like trees. Or, you can project into one of these 'island' which are just areas that have become stabilized. Sometimes they are sort of walled off from the chaos to provide a stable enviroment. The nature of what you may find in one of these is way beyond my understanding. Virtaully anything may exist in such areas. I have been in at least 4 radically different types of astral realms, and assume there is no end to possable types.They can be crafted like an LD world basically. They will sometimes have established physical laws and very stable scenery that you will barely be able to effect.

      I don't know if that helps at all. I hope a little bit.
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      Quote Originally Posted by mcwillis View Post


      Thanks. That is a very cool free resource.
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      From experience, trying to achieve AP is a lot harder for me than a lucid dream.

      So the first thing I would say is don't be disuaded if you can't do it straight away, I know it's such an amazing concept that if you could prove it to yourself then it would be life changing for you, but to achieve that state can take a bit of work. Controlling yourself once in that state even more. It's something I am working on at the moment.

      Another thing I would suggest is reading books about it, the more you are thinking about it and it's on your mind, the more chance of you waking up, sensing the vibrations and trying to go with it, instead of falling straight back asleep.

      Some advice I've already posted on other threads but what works for me:

      Set an alarm for approximately 5-6 hours after you have fallen asleep. When it goes off, get up for a few mins, get a glass of water, then read (a book on astral projection would be even more effective at this stage), or write your dream journal. I find reading effective as I try and read until I get tired and ready to fall asleep again. 15-30 mins that takes me.

      Then relax and close your eyes and just say an affirmation to yourself 50 times, "I will astral project when I close my eyes".

      Now everyone's different, but I tend to go into lucid dreams very quickly from this point and usually wake up after a lucid dream. Then when awake I can feel that my vibrations have raised, try to relax and raise the vibrational rate, just by thinking about it and trying to move the vibrations around the body.

      At that point, when the vibrations feel strong, use some of the visualisations to get out of body. The one that has worked best for me is mentally asking for someone's help. This is maybe going to sound a bit strange but I actually felt like I was whisked out of my body and stood upright by the bed.

      Other things that work here that people have suggested is the rope technique, rolling out, visualise floating out of your body and flying.

      There are a lot of resources out there, just keep at it and good luck.

      "Kindly let me help you or you'll drown", said the monkey, putting the fish safely up a tree.

      - Alan Watts.

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      Quote Originally Posted by sivason View Post
      Thanks. That is a very cool free resource.
      You are welcome. Indeed it is very cool considering this quote from the book (I have added the brackets).

      Indirect techniques are mainly to thank for our 80% success rate over only 2 days of attempts at three-day seminars, even in groups of 50 people and more. Once, more than half of the group had a phase (out of body) experience by the second day, and most had two or more experiences.

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      Ok guys you are going to hate this answer, but it's what I have found. It's really all you need...

      All you need is this -->

      ...But I will write a long one as well

      The induction of an astral projection/ OBE in the RTZ is a real paradox, especially if you compare it to the way you induce lucid dreams.

      Dreams is the consciousness exploring the essence of personality what makes you that is (subconscious, memories and emotions).
      To understand what an astral projection/ OBE is, you can't have the idea of being a being only because of the body. Try to see it like a videogame although a very complex one.
      There is information everywhere and you got senses that pick up this information, your the being behind the controler so to speak.

      There are also beings that understand the program behind this complex game, you can see it as gods or higher beings, but the thing is they are no more special than you they just got more information. If your just an average computer user you can probably just do basic stuff that most people can, however if you know programming and possess more advanced information of the computer, you can hack the whole system. Sort of like the Oracle and her bodyguard in the matrix.

      And yes you can be Neo, but first you need to WAKE UP! Not literally but you need to see the world for what it really is.

      Your not a slave trapped in a computer program, but we are humans who have forgot our very purpose of this planet, the agent is the belief system that corrupt our minds, and people who don't have the information are so hopelessely dependent on their system that they will fight to protect it.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqxwt...eature=related

      "You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be "unplugged"..."

      Astral projection is understanding your own essence, What is the controler behind the personality and your physical body?
      To understand this one has to go beyond one's dreams that is to say go beyond your personality and yourself.
      So you move the consciousness from one focus to another.

      This makes sense now doesn't it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaJPN...eature=related

      Dreaming is an unconscious way of doing this, because we go beyond our physical reality by changing dimension, not like the third one to the fourth one kind of way.

      But more like frequency change, your brain goes through different frequencies during sleep.

      So the consciousness switch focus point and can therefore experience things beyond the "real" and other realities.

      However the paradox I talked about is that in order to do this you need to just BE.

      You can't expect the shift to happen and you can't hope for it.

      There are ways to describe the exact process that you go through in an astral projection, but if you focus on how to achieve those steps, well you wont...

      That's what I mean when I say meditation is the only way, learn to meditate and be, and when you learn that you can move your consciousness.
      Sleep is unconscious meditation, meditation is unconscious sleep.

      Monroe and Kepple called it Focus. Don Juan from The Art of Dreaming called it assemblege point, some people call it moving the energy body.

      I like to make a mix of that to understand that it is the same: Moving your focus point of consciousness and percieve the energy body.

      You are consciousness in a body! When you OBE or astral project you get this realization. The body you then move in is just a perception, you are actuallly "just a point of consciousness.

      It's mainly from my friend that I have learned that the meditative state is crucial, there might be other ways I can't say it is a fact.

      So keep exploring the consciousness and see what you find.

      Something to add... In the beggining it will be hard for you to just be, it's not like I can just do it now easy as pie. Every meditation session is a new unique one where I have to find myself, and most of the times I give up and start daydream instead and direct my consciousness to the memories which makes me dream instead, so if you get tired of it at first you can always transition into a lucid dream if you would like that

      Dreaming and lucid dreaming is sort of like a single player game based on information of your life.
      And when you are lucid you can experience it like the Garry's mod game:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDchc5Ww_i8

      OBE and Astral Projection is like a multiplayer game where you have access to many different sources of information, stating your intent is like making a google search. This is not as limited as the internet though, in fact it's not limited at all. So the expression "the sky is the limit" doesn't really work anymore. ^-^
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yXdCaq2iKs

      And here are some information that might be helpful (Remember don't take it as fact, just choose to believe what resonates with you):

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPkX0iOVX18
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVSD6...feature=relmfu
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzgM6nN_qN0
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw

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