OBE or something else?

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11-14-2012, 06:20 PM
Jannetta

OBE or something else?

I'm 44, but was 32 when a man started visiting me when I went to bed at night. He was 40ish and looked very european to me. A fantastic suit (always wearing the same thing) and he was just about the most beautiful man I've ever seen. I felt very comfortable with him and felt like I knew him. He came two times and was surrounded by a soft white light both times. I was engaged to someone and was always praying about what to do regarding the relationship. This man (no idea what his name is) wanted me to go somewhere with him both times, but I was afraid to go.

The final time he came I was laying facing the wall and praying about what to do with this relationship (but I'm not really a religious person). I saw the soft white light filling the room behind me and said, "I know you're here - I can see your light". He sounded exasperated and said, "Jannetta, why do you keep asking the same question when you already know the answer?" I turned around and he was leaning against the dresser. I said, "I'm not going with you." and turned back over. He walked up behind me and said "There is really something I need to show you. There is no reason to be afraid. Just take my hand and we'll be there." and he reached his hand across my shoulder. This time I took his hand.... and then I woke up. I didn't receive a direct answer that I know of and I have no idea where we went or what he showed me.

It has been 12 years since I've seen him. I've prayed, meditated, but he has never come back. I did not marry the man I was engaged to, but someone else. I wish I could say it was a dream come true, but there have been hard lessons in this marriage.. but I love my husband. Was this an OBE? A guide? It might be easier to let go of if I knew it was just a dream. You guys know so much about this subject - I appreciate any opinions/feedback.
11-14-2012, 06:59 PM
YourDreamingNow

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The final time he came I was laying facing the wall and praying about what to do with this relationship (but I'm not really a religious person). I saw the soft white light filling the room behind me and said, "I know you're here - I can see your light".

I don't understand. You are saying you were praying and then 'he' came. Did this happen when you were asleep or in reality?
If this happened a sleep, then were you lucid (I bet you were, because you had a fine conversation with him) then. Why were you praying in your dreams?
BTW OBE is an experience in which you feel your soul (astral body) is leaving your Physical Body.
Anyway, I do not know why you want him to come back, I mean this paranormal guy, he must be scaring the hell out of you.

If you can explain me what it actually was maybe I can give you better answers.
11-14-2012, 09:15 PM
gab

It's possible to see images when we are very relaxed, like when falling asleep, meditating, or in trance. I guess praying is a form of meditating or other altered state of mind.

When you see images when falling asleep - those are called hypnagogic hallucinations. You could see, hear and feel things. They can get very realistic and you may feel they are actually there and happening.

These HH could be influenced by our thoughts and desires. The man in soft glow could have been HH that you influenced by your asking to get some answeres about your relationship. But it could have been a real guardian, that gave you answer to your question. Even if you don't remember the answer consciously (from what I have heard, you rarely do), you do know what he showed you and it's possible you acted on it.

It could have also been a lucid dream and the man was either your mind's or a real guardian's answer to your prayer question.

These are all just my guesses, so please feel free to disagree with any of this.

Do you feel you made the right choice?
11-14-2012, 11:15 PM
Jannetta

gab.. you give me so many good things to think about! :) I don't disagree with any of these suggestions, but I just don't have a clue either. To me, he *felt* like a real person, but I'm open to the possibility that it could have been a HH.. I'm going to be studying that by the way. He never actually gave me any answers when I spoke to him, so that's confusing. I've always wondered if he didn't show me the options and I chose one... but that seems a little far fetched. I can't imagine we get that choice. Maybe I really already knew what I would do but wasn't admitting it to myself.

I do feel that I made the right decision. My life has probably been more stressful than it would have been, but it's been a lot less boring. lol The things that have happened have made me stronger and a lot less selfish than I was at that time and probably would have remained if I had married my ex-fiancee. As far as the advancement of myself/spirit, the direction I went has certainly changed me for the better.
11-15-2012, 06:39 PM
gab

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Originally Posted by Jannetta

gab.. you give me so many good things to think about! :) I don't disagree with any of these suggestions, but I just don't have a clue either.

Hehe, I don't have a clue, either :alien:

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To me, he *felt* like a real person, but I'm open to the possibility that it could have been a HH

I had my first tactile HH just about a month ago. I was laying on the sofa on my back, towel on my face to block the light out. My cat was on the table on my right and my usual worry is, that she will run through me to the desk on the left, or just hops on me as she does sometimes and it will ruin my WILD attempt.

As I'm thinking about this, I'm starting to get some HH images and suddenly, in my minds eye I see a little furry creature with long and skinny tails on my right side and I feel and hear it's tiny paws run through my face to the other side. While it's running, I feel the wind it made on my face and the heaviness and sound of it's paws. It stops by my left temple and starts lapping at my face and brain.

If I was not ready for it (ok, I was not completely ready for it, how can you ever be), I would totaly panic. It was so real. So from this experience I know, that HH can get extremely real feeling.

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He never actually gave me any answers when I spoke to him, so that's confusing. I've always wondered if he didn't show me the options and I chose one... but that seems a little far fetched. I can't imagine we get that choice. Maybe I really already knew what I would do but wasn't admitting it to myself.

I don't think it's too far fetched. I don't remember in which book, author described his experience with LD/OBE. He wanted to get an answer to I believe a medical problem. So once lucid/OBE, he got to a healing place and doctor put a tattoo on his arm with instructions. Even after reading them, you rarely remember what you read after you wake up. But the explanation to this was, that we don't need to consiously remember. Those instructions were given to our body and subconsious and not to our waking mind. So even if we don't remember, we still know the instructions.

These instructions then become our intuition, 'the gut feeling'.

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I do feel that I made the right decision. My life has probably been more stressful than it would have been, but it's been a lot less boring. lol The things that have happened have made me stronger and a lot less selfish than I was at that time and probably would have remained if I had married my ex-fiancee. As far as the advancement of myself/spirit, the direction I went has certainly changed me for the better.

That's good to hear. When I think about hardship I had/have in my life, I always remind myself, that it's quite possible, that I picked this life. I picked it, because lessons I'm learning are the ones I still needed to learn to progress spiritualy on my road to become a better person. ( I believe, that in the afterlife we choose the general plan for our next incarnation based on what we still need to learn). Good luck:alien:
11-27-2012, 07:19 PM
FraZZleD

Originally Posted by gab "That's good to hear. When I think about hardship I had/have in my life, I always remind myself, that it's quite possible, that I picked this life. I picked it, because lessons I'm learning are the ones I still needed to learn to progress spiritualy on my road to become a better person. ( I believe, that in the afterlife we choose the general plan for our next incarnation based on what we still need to learn). Good luck "

People that remember before they are born, are called Prebirthers. I am a Prebirther... I remember picking out this life and the lesson I was to learn in this life. If you feel you picked out this life then you are most likely remembering that you did. You are also correct about progressing spiritually. These feelings you are having are built into your soul which make up your beliefs. You are remembering.......
11-27-2012, 10:53 PM
gab

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People that remember before they are born, are called Prebirthers. I am a Prebirther... I remember picking out this life and the lesson I was to learn in this life. If you feel you picked out this life then you are most likely remembering that you did. You are also correct about progressing spiritually. These feelings you are having are built into your soul which make up your beliefs. You are remembering.......

I don't remember, at least not consciously. I knew and believed about afterlife and reincarnation since I was a pre-teen. But didn't hear that we can possibly chose what we want/need to learn next until later. I always thought that's assigned to us.

So what is your lesson you need to learn this incarnation? If you don't mind sharing. I wish I could figure out what my purpose is. One of my fears is, that in my next life, I will not remember me discovering lucid dreaming and OBEs and karma and all that stuff.
11-28-2012, 02:00 AM
FraZZleD

When I was 5 years old my memory came back to me of picking this life. In my memory of before being born I was with 3 other spirits. We were traveling in a group of 4 to help each other in each lifetime. We were all looking at the different life's to choose from. We could see the high's and the low's of each life. It's what you do with your high's and low's is where FREE WILL comes in. You know the worst times of your life but you don't know how you will react. You know the good times in your life also. We were all looking at the possibilities and I chose this life. I saved my worst lesson for last! Knowing this would be my last trip here as a human.

When I made my choice one of the other spirits said "That's a hard life, are you sure you can handle it?" I replied I think I can. I think I'll be alright. Then as I was being led away another spirit said "Don't worry I'll be behind you I might be a few years behind but I'll be there." I said I hope so because I will be needing your help. The the last spirit said "Remember you won't remember a thing when you get there." and my reply was "I'm going to remember this time I have a plan" because I've done it so many times before.

Well at 5 years old the thought's came flowing back while I was watching tv. I remembered my friends, I remembered I came here to learn a lesson. The only thing I couldn't remember was what the lesson was about. When I was 7 years old I asked my mother what a favorite number was. I said my sister had 29 because it was her favorite baseball player. My mother's was 22 because it was her birthday. She said you favorite number is any number you choose to be your own number. Then she asked me what my favorite number was going to be. I thought for a second and said 38. I said I didn't know it was the number that popped into my head.

I had been using 38 all my life for my favorite number when it was coming up for my birthday. I was thinking this number has a meaning but I don't know what it is. Well just before my 38th birthday I physically fell apart. I woke up with pain in my back and thumb. I went to the ER and they said I hurt myself at work. I knew I didn't because it happened in my sleep. The next day I went to work on pain pill. It helped my thumb some but not totally my back. By lunch time my back hurt so bad that I went home. It took me 15 minutes to walk to my car which should only take 2 minutes. I cried for my 1/2 hour drive back home in pain. When I went to get out of my car I fell to the ground. The pain was now in my thighs in both legs and I could not walk. I had to crawl from my car to my front door. I opened the door and started screaming. My roommate came running down stairs and helped me to the ER again. CDC was involved from a 3 way conferance to the hospital. No one knew what was wrong with me.

They sent me to a workmen's comp. doctors office to have treatment. The doctor there said it was all in my head and I was making up all the pain. My x-rays showed nothing. They could find nothing but sent me to a place where they treated my foot because now the pain was also in my left foot. They treated my foot with hot and cold treatments. But once again sent me home with no reason as to what was happening to me. The next day my foot was swollen like a giant balloon. I went back to the place where the doctor told me it was all made up and in my head. He was not there so I talked to the Dr. incharge. I told him how the other doctor treated me and then showed him my foot. His eyes about popped out of his head and said he was sorry for the way I was treated that Dr. will never work there again. Then he wanted to treat me. I told him no thanks I had enough bad treatment from their place.

Two days later my entire body was in pain from head to toe. A sheet on my skin was pure pain. I was admitted into the hospital for tests. 4 days of testing. They felt so bad for me and all the pain I was in they let me smoke in my private room. Shocking but true. They didn't want to see me going outside for a smoke. I left the hospital with no answers to my pain. I passed all test with flying colors. No one knew what was wrong with me.

I sat at home crying from level 10 pain with no relief. I lived with level 10 pain for 2 years. Level 8 pain for 3 years. Level 5 pain for 3 years. Then I found my own natural cure. My lesson in this life was to learn all I could about pain. Yes I chose this life and I chose the pain I lived with. It was my FREE WILL to find my cure when no Dr.'s could help me. I saved the worst lesson for last. After I found my cure that's when the rest of the memory came flowing back. I also helped the other spirit that was a few years behind me like they said. They had a heroin problem. I helped them get free of heroin just in time for them to help me with my pain. We're here to help each other.

Sorry this was long but you wouldn't understand unless I explained the entire things.
11-28-2012, 03:45 AM
gab

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Sorry this was long but you wouldn't understand unless I explained the entire things.

Are you kidding? I love your post.

I have heard that groups of spirits are born more or less at the same time into more or less same place. Which makes me wonder about this. I was born in Europe and lived there for 24 years. Now I live overseas, with all my family in Europe. Who is here with me? Did I chose to split from my spirit group? If yes, why? Is that my lesson? Oh god, this just made me sad.

And about the lesson we chose to learn - I would love to know the lesson and purpose, but I guess that would be cheating. If we knew what the lesson is, than we would just do that one thing correctly and we are home free.

But we need to do that thing correctly, not because we need to, or there is penalty/reward attached to it, but because we evelve into person, that feels like that's the right thing to do.

Are you free of pain now? Hope yes :alien:
11-28-2012, 04:40 AM
FraZZleD

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I have heard that groups of spirits are born more or less at the same time into more or less same place. Which makes me wonder about this. I was born in Europe and lived there for 24 years. Now I live overseas, with all my family in Europe. Who is here with me? Did I chose to split from my spirit group? If yes, why? Is that my lesson? Oh god, this just made me sad.

Don't be sad, either you learned the lesson you needed to learn or they are yet to meet up with you. Your group of four could be a relative (relatives stay with you your entire life) It could also be your wife/husband. Or a very close friend that you keep for life. It's usually the 4 people that you are closest to.

I am pain free thank God, as long as I keep taking my natural cure for the rest of my life as far as I can tell I'm doing great and living life like there's no tomorrow. A promise I made myself if I could live pain free again.
I can say I'm just about the happiest person at work because of what happened to me. I have also helped some people (not all) that have come up with the same condition as I had. They were happy to get their life's back also.
So my lesson was well learned and a great help to other people on the internet that thought they could never live a normal life.