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      Captured in dream and injected with a substance that prevents lucid dreaming??

      Hi,

      im trying to find out if other people have had similar expriences with lucid dreaming.

      Iv been lucid dreaming for 15-16 years since i was very young, and back the it was very easy, effortless and it would happen unintentionally. But the older i got became harder, which could have something to do with diet and the crap and unnatural modification of food which many believe effects your pineal gland.

      But anyway, i have been using Lucid dreaming to look for answers and gain knowledge with very good success, but it seems that since i started my experiments and got very good results there is a force and entities within the dream state reality trying to prevent me from becoming lucid.

      I have a good dream recall and used to keep a journal, so even the dreams whee i wasnt lucid i still remeber what happened and how i felt. If you pay attention in your dream you will see that when you arnt "lucid" and getting foooled that it is your physical reality you feel a curtain way, the same feeling when your carrier away with some activity, loose track of time and forgot about everything els. When you become lucid a rush of energy takes you over, where you will exhilirated and excited and you feel alive and ready for adventure.

      Well on several occasions in recent times i have had a exprience where i was in a dream where i was captured by some entities or CIA type people and taken to a lab where i was tied down and injected with some substance, when afetr injected it filled me with a particular feeling of dumbed down sort of the same feeling that doesnt allow you to think and realise your in a dream and not allowing you to become lucid.

      Last time after trying for about a week or 2 i began lucid dreaming, until that happened and it didnt happen again for long time regardless of how hard i tried or what mentality i used, which always used to get me lucid dreams. So eventually i overcame it and began some lucid dreaming until 2 month go where again i was captured and injected and since then again its almost imposible.

      I have searched google and yahoo answers and there are some people with the exact same exprience

      anyone have any idea?

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      Dreams are controlled by expectation. If you let this event be a burden of encumbrance it will become one. In a nightmare becoming compounds the problem, the nightmare becomes worse till eventually you awaken. The cure is to not respond to the dream, treat it as nothing more then a dream. Your response is likely now to assume you can't lucid because of this "dream injection" and because lucidity is controlled in large part by intention you're just shooting yourself in the foot. If you can try to catch the experience next time if it's an ongoing one it should be relatively easy, use a mantra to affirm you'll notice it. Become lucid and overcome the CIA Agents, doing so will probably prevent further episodes and give you a rather strong sense of empowerment.

      The best thing you can do as I said is just brush it of, I've had a similar experience where I became lucid but a Dream Character attacked me for doing so, it was rather odd. It was in fact due to being in an unstable lucid with minimal control, if I was more aware and more acutely in control I could deal with the experience but I didn't. Letting a dream get the better of you is the worst thing you can do, your in control of your experience and your response to it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Drax View Post
      Dreams are controlled by expectation. If you let this event be a burden of encumbrance it will become one. In a nightmare becoming compounds the problem, the nightmare becomes worse till eventually you awaken. The cure is to not respond to the dream, treat it as nothing more then a dream. Your response is likely now to assume you can't lucid because of this "dream injection" and because lucidity is controlled in large part by intention you're just shooting yourself in the foot. If you can try to catch the experience next time if it's an ongoing one it should be relatively easy, use a mantra to affirm you'll notice it. Become lucid and overcome the CIA Agents, doing so will probably prevent further episodes and give you a rather strong sense of empowerment.

      The best thing you can do as I said is just brush it of, I've had a similar experience where I became lucid but a Dream Character attacked me for doing so, it was rather odd. It was in fact due to being in an unstable lucid with minimal control, if I was more aware and more acutely in control I could deal with the experience but I didn't. Letting a dream get the better of you is the worst thing you can do, your in control of your experience and your response to it.
      Believe me when i say i undrestand 100% what your saying and agree to every bit.

      Iv been lucid dreaming for 15-16 years, im not exactly a beginner, iv used many diffrent techniques of my own and other people to reach lucidity and have successfully taught friends and family.

      Im not holding to the belief that because of that episode now i cant LD and just puting the blame on that, i try to stay alert and aware of my belief system and is earch inside to find out whats holding me back from things.

      But non of my techniques seem to work since then, as in usually you have a dream and you go along with it thinking its real, but you still get little hints and doubts of weather this is real or a dream, where eventually you get used to noticing its a dream and become lucid. But that portion of my mind that seems to doubt and question feels completly shut down.

      So if you and other people clearly have exprienced similar events, then the question we should all ask is why? who or what doesnt want us to LD? why do we get attacked by other or evil entities when entering Sleep pralysis or becoming Lucid? what is the purpose who or what are they and why does such scenarios occur? this is where im coming from i want to undrestand.

      i went through the phase, of just brushing it off as a dream and right now in my mind and every night before i go to sleep i feel very confident that im going to LD as i follow the same mental procedure that iv known since i was a kid to get me Lds, which is while still awake replay previouse and potentian dreams coming up and re creating the feeling and reaffirming to my self that this is a dream, im awake.

      and my dreams have been mostly negative since, with out the frequent positive dreams, i know this isnt ll related to that but what im saying is that as humans we notice patterns and i have noticed a diffrent pattern as result and since that episode, and i read other people with the same episode and feeling and noticing the same thing after
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      Thomas Campbell, theoretical physicist and former employee of NASA, well now I don't mean that it justify all his words, I just want to make clear that he is very rational and a very skeptical and pragmatic man.

      Anyway he had an experience where some beings said that he would be prevented to "go out" as easily as he have been able to before.

      Then he realized that it was a task for personal growth and that there was a reason for it.

      So in a spiritual perspective see this as a positive challenge for you, and realize that when you learn to overcome this again you will be more knowledgeable than ever.

      In a western minded perspective, this doesn't have to mean anything at all, it can just be a symbolic experience of something you feel, is there something that makes you not able to lucid dream?
      What kind of beings where they in this dream and what do you think they represent?

      I hope this helps somewhat.
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      Mastermind is right typically dreams are a form Consciousness Testing, for whatever reason we dream that much seems to be understood. Nightmares are the same way you can interact with the creature and discover the intention behind the imagery, and discover why has your mind chosen to manifest such an image.

      Dry spells in lucidity are a hard thing to counter. You may say it didn't affect you, that you can mentally move past it. This usually is not the case. I remember reading that certain supplements I used caused acetylcholine receptor desensitization, which could prevent dreaming. This wasn't permanent but reversible, all it required was for me to space out the days between supplementation. Still even after doing so I noticed my lucidity had plummeted, this one fact I couldn't remove from my mind. This one little fear of desensitization had made me truly convinced that I couldn't dream and forced me to stay of those supplements for a good 2 weeks. The fear was unfounded, but it was an aggregate of the initial fact compounded by one missed lucid attempt, after that regardless of how I viewed the event this growth emerged where every subsequent failed LD was at that root cause. Even if I consciously acknowledged that it wasn't the case it didn't effect that underlying fear.

      If this wasn't true for you as well you wouldn't be posting .

      To remove this you have to confront it, you're going to lucid tonight that's it. Once you do you can empower yourself with the confidence that tonight you did in fact lucid so clearly theres no issue. All it takes is one sudden burst of intention, be natural, don't try new techniques, don't think about how you might overcome the issue. Just be lucid!
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      In regard to why these events occur once again it could be truly random and spurious or some pattern relating to your memories. It's likely that if you watched a CIA program or Abduction program before doing so that this memory crept into your dream experience and happened to tag itself onto your lucidity. I personally don't think there's anything more to it then that. It could possibly be some relative fear of losing clarity, fear of losing control. Once again you'd have to incubate the dream and confront the Dream Characters to find out why.
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      well you guys make good points and there is a good chance you are right, but there is a twist to this story.

      I believe in the dream plane the other charectors are other entities and your no longer in your bedroom your in another field of existance and to put it bluntly i felt like i was getting to know too much and it was a way to stop my progress by entities who would rather humanity stay dumbed down.

      Like i said another time this happened i was captured by group of police who took me to a room and tied me up, and decided to beat me and then injected me with something, out of the 6-7 cops in the room 2 of them were honest and did not agree with what was happening and were trying to stop it but they were helpless. second time i was taken to a lab and it felt like some CIA lab, where they tied me down and injected me.

      My life style does not fit this category, im in no sort of fear of bieng captured, or busted for anything because i dont do anything wrong. I dont have any fear or feelings towards police or agents etc because i dont do anything wrong. I dont even watch movies, the only thing would be i read news article etc mentioning CIA etc or some police stories but i have been doing this for years and never had such exprience.

      It could well be my mind trying to make me stronger and puting me to challenges etc i also cant disagree with this one.
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      Man, I always feel awkward posting in these threads (I've seen a few of them here and there), because as a Christian I allow for the possibility of the "police" or "agents" in your dream to be oppressive demons.
      Then you come out and just outright say that you believe the dream-plain to be more than one's own mind (which I find to be possible, but not always necessarily true) and.... yeah.

      Way to go, Elliot. (Me, not you.)

      It's even more awkward when I realize that I literally never have this problem. Why? Well, a religious person would say that no demon is a match for Yahweh, and a secular would say that no subconscious construct is a match for my religion-induced confidence.

      Crud. That totally did not help at all, did it.

      Um... dream me! Right here:
      Spoiler for dream me:
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      I have read similar stories like yours. One thing I noticed is that it usually happens to people that have kind of mastered ld, or they have done it for a long while. And after that experience, it is tougher for them to ld.

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      Sounds like a mental block. Struggling to have an LD. Remember that LDs are about confidence. Even if you try to be confident, deep down it seems like you think that what they did worked and you can't LD. You need to really change your thinking. I would say try and change it to thinking that all DCs are trying to help you and are just testing you to see if you are strong enough to control every aspect of their universe.
      Almost like bleach. Oh gosh I love that show.

      You gotta prove to them that you are the boss and you don't take crap from them.

      This is my opinion though. I am very well read, not extremely experienced, so yeah. Take it or leave it.


      Plus it sounds like you need to learn how to fight in your dreams.
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      In the words of a fellow DreamViews frequenter:
      Quote Originally Posted by Atras View Post
      What are you talking about? Of course it's gonna happen! You go to bed and say "imma have another LD tonight, bitch," and then your mind is like "oh shit, I better give him an LD or I'm screwed." You own your mind, you tell it what to do! It's your bitch and it obeys your every command. You're the master of your dreams. They cower In fear when you fall asleep and say "please be aware that you are dreaming so we can better serve you, master!" And then you become lucid. Its how it works for you every night. So idk what you're talking about.
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      Well i had a semi lucid last night. The first time this episode happened after a lengthy period i began LDing again and it happened. So lets see how i go tonight. Im really hanging to exprience sucha a situation while lucid

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      Good luck. I am rooting for you!

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      Have you bee naughty? Were you acting out violently or sexually before the events?

      True Dream Guides from astral realms can and will shut down your whole thing, either to train or punish you

      Be a good student and let them make the rules. They can steal your LDs, however anything that powerful could become a great alley and teacher.

      Good luck.
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      Mrsf0011, I think I understand where you're coming from here.

      I've been LD'ing for a very long time, and for most of that time was able to control, explore, and form my LD's to the absolute limits of my imagination, and beyond. Then, about a year or two ago, just as I was preparing a new schema for retrievable transcendent dreams, I found myself in every LD, no matter how aware I was, surrounded by crowds of people whose very existence seemed designed to distract me from my work. These DC's, always strangers, are always quite friendly, and seem to have the best intentions, yet they also seem to be quite positively steering me away from places of mind or spirit I've never been, but very much want to visit.

      Now, I've heard all the advice, even administered much of it, and have also developed plenty of mundane rationale for why my DC's seem hell-bent on disrupting my conscious progression (mostly excuses based on memory problems as my aging brain gets lazier every day). But sometimes I lie there hours after waking from yet another derailed journey just wondering if maybe there is another force out there who is holding up a hand in polite but inexorable suggestion that I not "go there." Then I wonder if that hand is correct, and it's just reminding me that I'm simply not yet ready to cross the thresholds I've chosen.

      I'm not sure I believe any of that, and press on with my work, trying to surpass the crowds caused by my addled brain. What else can be done but press forward?

      And no, Sivason, I haven't been naughty; at least no worse than I was before the disruptions ... I'm pretty sure this isn't a punishment or some sort of spiritual banishment.

      Just thought I'd share...
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      Quote Originally Posted by sivason View Post
      Have you bee naughty? Were you acting out violently or sexually before the events?

      True Dream Guides from astral realms can and will shut down your whole thing, either to train or punish you

      Be a good student and let them make the rules. They can steal your LDs, however anything that powerful could become a great alley and teacher.

      Good luck.
      No not at all, first time we were in a house with some kids i dont know, felt like i was in my high school days, and it was very tripy because i got out of the house, flew around and something led me to the dark to investigate some noise and was captured in the dark, seems like when your not lucid you just accept whatever command your mind gives you and can make you believe anything, as you have no ability to reason or use common sense. The second time i was walking by the beach where there seemed to be play grounds etc sunny day and i was just walking, when i noticed some people are tracking me, i even chased them down and they ran away, but eventually i remember opening my eyes and i was tied up dont know how i got there.

      here is another interesting part, another time when a similar situation happened and i seemed to be fighting other biengs with weapons who i felt like were after me, eventually they captured me but turned out they were all women. I have had teeth problems for a while (rud cannal) and these biengs tied me up to a robotic machine where my head and jaw were in control of the robot with its arms and it opened my mouth and filled it with some material, which when i woke up i couldnt feel my tooth ache and did not come back for a fair while. Eventhou the pain came back, everytime it did i would just revisualise that dream and remember what happened and what it felt like and it automatically takes the pain away when i do that
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      Mrsf0011, I think I understand where you're coming from here.

      I've been LD'ing for a very long time, and for most of that time was able to control, explore, and form my LD's to the absolute limits of my imagination, and beyond. Then, about a year or two ago, just as I was preparing a new schema for retrievable transcendent dreams, I found myself in every LD, no matter how aware I was, surrounded by crowds of people whose very existence seemed designed to distract me from my work. These DC's, always strangers, are always quite friendly, and seem to have the best intentions, yet they also seem to be quite positively steering me away from places of mind or spirit I've never been, but very much want to visit.

      Now, I've heard all the advice, even administered much of it, and have also developed plenty of mundane rationale for why my DC's seem hell-bent on disrupting my conscious progression (mostly excuses based on memory problems as my aging brain gets lazier every day). But sometimes I lie there hours after waking from yet another derailed journey just wondering if maybe there is another force out there who is holding up a hand in polite but inexorable suggestion that I not "go there." Then I wonder if that hand is correct, and it's just reminding me that I'm simply not yet ready to cross the thresholds I've chosen.

      I'm not sure I believe any of that, and press on with my work, trying to surpass the crowds caused by my addled brain. What else can be done but press forward?

      And no, Sivason, I haven't been naughty; at least no worse than I was before the disruptions ... I'm pretty sure this isn't a punishment or some sort of spiritual banishment.

      Just thought I'd share...

      Well i know exactly what your talking about and i aslo exprience that, people just distract your attention and focus by conversations or sexual acts if i have to be honest i dont mind the sexual distractions lol

      The way forward can only mean stronger focus and stronger will, im strugling my self at the moment. You have to always keep your mind in the "Now" moment regardless of which dimenstion reality your expriencing, and always know where you are and how you got here, the moment you let thoughts take over you loose the "now" moment and forget, works the same in real life. the most bizzar events would be happening and i would still accept it as reality and go along with it with out questioning, where i am, what am i doing.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      Mrsf0011, ... But sometimes I lie there hours after waking from yet another derailed journey just wondering if maybe there is another force out there who is holding up a hand in polite but inexorable suggestion that I not "go there." Then I wonder if that hand is correct, and it's just reminding me that I'm simply not yet ready to cross the thresholds I've chosen.


      And no, Sivason, I haven't been naughty; at least no worse than I was before the disruptions ... I'm pretty sure this isn't a punishment or some sort of spiritual banishment.

      Just thought I'd share...
      Hi Sageous! We haven't been on the same threads much lately, good to hear from you.

      I have had both settings happen. I only mention 'naughty' because after my training started, I was on a very short leash. And, I was very naughty! I think in my case it was like chastisment. I would supposed to be paying attention and instead I would be trying to make blouses dissapear. I would eventually be childish enough that I would warrent a "time out".

      However, we both know how weird I am, so my experiences do not equal much for most people.

      On the other side, I have experience the inability to reach certain aspects or portions of my subconcious mind. I remember a whole string of dreams where I intended to find and pass through a door that I felt would reviel things about my inner self. Upon reaching that door, the scene would become spooky and fear would prevent me from reaching out and opening it. DCs would then usher me out of the scene to somewhere bright and warm and do their best to distract me.
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      I think we're dealing with a meme idea here Meme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
      I'm not a LD Master but I to had some LDs where once I became lucid the DCs near me gave me a serious look like "Oh no... Did he become lucid?", and then I went with the flow until I wasn't lucid any more. But that was after I've read similar stories here in DV.
      I think our mind puts in a place whatever we read and hear and then uses it as a building block material for dreams.
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      I have the same experience, and have dubbed these "the Dream Police." In my subconscious, they regulate my lucidity. I don't know what repressed ideas are causing this, but it seems to occur when I am dreaming only semi-lucidly as in I could not fully assess the nature of the dream. When I am fully aware I can handle it, and my mind doesn't generate these said regulators. I think the cause of this is doubt of lucidity or unfulfilled awareness. Because you were unable to recognize that you are not in an objective rational world but still partially lucid, you ALLOWED these dream people to do this to you yourself. Remember, the only constant in your dreams are YOU. YOU are the subject. If you believe that these people are real, then the effects of this "dream drug" will continue, but if you accept that they cannot have an effect on you then they will cease. While I do not believe that we are experiencing a placebo rather a natural mental process (I myself having first experienced it when I was six...) I DO believe that the problem has to do with levels of awareness, doubt, and NOT external forces.

      BTW: PM me if it continues...
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      Quote Originally Posted by Jabre View Post
      I have the same experience, and have dubbed these "the Dream Police." In my subconscious, they regulate my lucidity. I don't know what repressed ideas are causing this, but it seems to occur when I am dreaming only semi-lucidly as in I could not fully assess the nature of the dream. When I am fully aware I can handle it, and my mind doesn't generate these said regulators. I think the cause of this is doubt of lucidity or unfulfilled awareness. Because you were unable to recognize that you are not in an objective rational world but still partially lucid, you ALLOWED these dream people to do this to you yourself. Remember, the only constant in your dreams are YOU. YOU are the subject. If you believe that these people are real, then the effects of this "dream drug" will continue, but if you accept that they cannot have an effect on you then they will cease. While I do not believe that we are experiencing a placebo rather a natural mental process (I myself having first experienced it when I was six...) I DO believe that the problem has to do with levels of awareness, doubt, and NOT external forces.

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      i have the same experience i though im the only one who have issued with it, "the dream police" isn't really a police he can become any body and when i become lucid he attack me, he can't be defeated even with an imajinary weapon that i created but yes by thinking it wasn't real he dissapeared i though my promblem with him is done but no he keep coming back with powerfull strengh i tried to make him dissapeared by thinking he wasn't real but it doesn't work anymore he even laugh at me and say "you can't kill me im WARDEN the one who keep the purpose of your dream" i tried to wake up but i can't but when he said "now you can wake up" then i woke up...
      his name warden i have tried to draw him
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      i draw this when the first time i saw him, he change a lot except his eyes hollow

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      Thinking he isn't real is not enough. You have to subconsciously believe it. Even if he is not in the dream, your subconscious creates him.

      I once feared the effects of SP. Thinking that the hallucinations where not real was not enough. I started reading and viewing videos about SP and how natural it is, until I subconsciously believed it. The effects didn't go but now I'm ok with whatever I see or hear.

      If you can't remove your nemesis, remove his powers by humiliating him in your mind. Also remember that if you search for something you will find it. If you keep thinking of this Warden he will continue to appear.

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      Quote Originally Posted by JeffSteel View Post
      Thinking he isn't real is not enough. You have to subconsciously believe it. Even if he is not in the dream, your subconscious creates him.

      I once feared the effects of SP. Thinking that the hallucinations where not real was not enough. I started reading and viewing videos about SP and how natural it is, until I subconsciously believed it. The effects didn't go but now I'm ok with whatever I see or hear.

      If you can't remove your nemesis, remove his powers by humiliating him in your mind. Also remember that if you search for something you will find it. If you keep thinking of this Warden he will continue to appear.
      Thanks for your help... btw can you explain SP to me??
      im newbie so i dn't really know much you know
      sorry for bad english

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      Quote Originally Posted by JeffSteel View Post
      I think we're dealing with a meme idea here
      I'm not a LD Master but I to had some LDs where once I became lucid the DCs near me gave me a serious look like "Oh no... Did he become lucid?", and then I went with the flow until I wasn't lucid any more. But that was after I've read similar stories here in DV.
      I think our mind puts in a place whatever we read and hear and then uses it as a building block material for dreams.
      Not for me bt I can see how that could happen... It started happening when I was very young so yeah... It doesn't happen any more. I think I was just insecure

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      Hey,

      I have had a very similar experience.

      When I was younger, my first concious lucid dreaming ability was to look at my watch and open a menu screen, exactly like the old Nintendo 64 Goldeneye game for James Bond. From this watch, I was able to select several options which included but were not limited to waking myself up instantly if I was having a scary dream.

      I will warn you first off that my point of view is much more esoteric than others. In my studies, I have observed behaviors of things other than myself within dreams that would point to the possibility of other things than yourself and your subconscious populating a person's dream world. Before I go any further, though, it is important to understand a portion of how our brains work in relation to what our five senses take in and what our brain puts out into conscious taste, touch, hear, smell, and see. If our sensory perception takes in (random number for sake of example) 10 bits of information per second, our brain filters those 10 bits and allows our conciousnes to actually experience a "reality" of somewhere close to 4 or 5 bits of sensory information. That means that even in our waking state, there are things that we are seeing, smelling, tasting, touching, and hearing that we are not even "aware" of. How the brain decides to filter this information depends largely on inherent survival mechanisms. That which is deemed unimportant to the survival of the body, the brain ignores. This is why children are more susceptible to paranormal activity; their brains have not yet had the time to convince themselves that the unseen world is "unimportant."

      Now, that all being said, from my point of observation I would say that a negative entity is aware of you. (Albeit a dream monster or a shadow of subconcious) When my James Bond watch Lucid Dreaming was taken away from me permanently in one of my dreams, it was done at my grandparents' house by Borg drones from Star Trek. In my attempt to flee from the Borg, I stumbled over a lawnmower, tried to hide in the kitchen but there were too many dirty dishes... My entire environment (I later deduced) wreaked of subliminal authority: the home of my authoritarian style providers, the lawnmower and dishes of my childhood responsibilities. These things, like your CIA lab room that you are taken to, are meant to distract your lucid focus with negativity. For me, the scariest thing at the time were the Borg from Star Trek: the Next Generation. They were like zombies and computer viruses mixed together. (Can you tell I was a geeky kid?) They infected my lucid dreaming watch with nanites so I ripped it from my wrist and discarded it. After that, the dream became more chaotic as I was allowed to finally escape the house. It took a long time to come up with another LD technique.

      I would imagine that you are an adult with adult responisbilities. I would also imagine that there is a great fear in what CIA Operatives represent: control, authority, feeling naked under scrutiny, the possibility of losing everything or even one's life... Seems like a pretty good role to take on if something were trying to distract your focus.

      In Demonology, often the strongest and most dangerous demons appear the least threatening while the weakest will change their appearance to something big or frightful. Demons are minions of the Father of Lies, after all. Now, I am not saying you are having demonic issues... Not at all. However, take this knowledge and combine it with the information provided above and toy with it, in your mind, how these things might come to play in the infinite realm of your own mind.

      Personally, I would suggest that (if you are in a focused enough LD state) you challenge the agents the next time they appear. It may also do well to meditate on why the representation of CIA Agents having power over you shatters your lucid focus. Why does the entity/subconscious choose this form of being perceived?

      Good luck! =)
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