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      Quote Originally Posted by SearcherTMR View Post
      Anyway, we are again going off-topic, and honestly this is quite normal as no one has new successfull experiences to share...
      >__< Sucks but that's so true..

      Hey has anyone tried counting or repeating a mantra before falling to sleep and see what happens if you try to not lose your train of thought and fall asleep? I did so yesterday, when I went to bed at night and noticed I'm getting sleepy, I began repeating the mantra "I wake up after every dream, lay still and roll out", I kept repeating it until I began getting hypnagogic imagery. I became aware of the imagery and thought "oh hey, I'm really close to sleep and still aware" but unfortunately lost focus a few seconds later and fell asleep unconsciously, lol.. I want to keep trying though, wonder if something cool will happen..
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      I was speaking about using Nocturnal Penile Tumescence (NPT) to detect REM and so to know which micro awakening is good to try the technique.
      Well, there is a new kickstarter project using this stuff :
      *Prohibited Link Removed*

      the creator of this project is the creator of the project LUCI, that has been canceled because it was suspected by the backers to be a fake.

      There also is a patent using the NPT for REM detection for a LD purpose here:
      Patent US20100130813 - Method and apparatus for attaining lucid dream state - Google Patents
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      Quote Originally Posted by SearcherTMR View Post

      Ok. I took a remote perspective on this conversation and I realized that indeed i reached to a conclusion without proper evidence.

      Raduga's experiences are not proof of anything - just his experience.

      Nevertheless, regarding the particular possibility, I have read Monroe's description and I also know that many more exist - like the one Ebb posted.

      But I am still not convince that they have actually done it, as it is quite easy to exaggerate experiences (we all have done so from time to time) in order to make people's jaws drop (as Raduga puts it).

      On the other hand it is certainly not impossible (actually nothing is impossible) but as Karl Sagan kept saying: extraordinarily claims need extraordinary proof... and anecdotal stories are definitely not sufficient proof.

      I will personally be convinced that it can be done if either:

      1. A sufficiently controlled experiment is undertaken and proves this

      2. I have personal experience - that will be sufficient enough, but of course only for me.
      Anyway, we are again going off-topic, and honestly this is quite normal as no one has new successfull experiences to share...

      P.s. I might be off-net for a few days due to work.
      Thanx for that SearcherTMR

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      Here is a video where I discuss the relationship between deja vu and when you link the memory to the familiarity to a past dream which is then deja reve, or already dreamed in French.



      I showed a few photographs of where I changed precognitive dream content and those changes took place in our waking reality, but the quality was not as great as expected so here is a supporting webpage with those images for closer examination. The video explains the context of them so on their own, it won't make much sense without watching the video.

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      Quote Originally Posted by mimihigurashi View Post
      Hey has anyone tried counting or repeating a mantra before falling to sleep and see what happens if you try to not lose your train of thought and fall asleep?
      Hi,
      Lots of work these days, no time for LD or forums...
      Actually this is something I have tried many times - usually when dissapointed from other methods - and was just determined to carry on consciousness when falling asleep... well unfortunately it doesn't work most of the times but I had a few successes with it. Most of the time it's exactly as you described: you can stay aware until imagery begins and right after that you drift. If you are tired enough, you might even drift before that. However, I have found that it sets the stage and if you repeat that again after WBTB, you might either suffer insomnia or hover between awarenes and dreams and a few times I was able to enter a DILD at this second stage-attempt after WBTB... Anyway it's an interesting experience. Might also try it next days as my schedule will be lighter...

      Quote Originally Posted by Kaan View Post
      Well, there is a new kickstarter project using this stuff :
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      That might actually be a good idea, as NPT is easy to detect and happens during REM sleep. The problem though is not how to detect REM but how to trigger lucidity after REM has been detected - as most audio and visual signals are totally unreliable, and unfortunately tACS stimulation has also proven to be minimally effective - if not totally useless...
      That's the area that needs more research and ideas: how to trigger lucidity after REM is detected!
      As for using it for Raduga as you suggested, I thought about it and don't think it's so usefull, because the phenomenon starts when REM begins but might very well persist after you are out of REM - even sometimes after awakening for good...
      So i believe it can't be used to know if you are still in REM or not!
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      I agree with you, signals should be adapted to the deepness of the REM cycle we are to be effective for DILD.
      But for WILD/DEILD purpose, the only function we have to have is something that detects the first minutes of REM sleep , to gently but effectively wake we up to let us make an attempt.

      Another thing, I'm not sure about that but as there are some awakenings from some dream that are followed by a solid erection, and others that are not, or not as much strongly and not as longer, I presume than when the hard erection lasts after we wake up from a dream, the "REM" window is maybe still kicking in, somewhere in our brain/body, despite the fact that we are awake, and maybe when it is the case, we could go back to the dream with the cycles of the Raduga's technique.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kaan View Post
      ... for WILD/DEILD purpose, the only function we have to have is something that detects the first minutes of REM sleep , to gently but effectively wake us up to let us make an attempt.
      Yep, but I think RD - especially with the audio cues (do Raduga now...) - is more than enough for that. But again it's difficult to find the correct signal strength so that it wakes you up, but not very abruptly - and most likely the intensity has to change over time...

      Quote Originally Posted by Kaan View Post
      ... I presume than when the hard erection lasts after we wake up from a dream, the "REM" window is maybe still kicking in...
      I don't think this can be done. Raduga has to be practiced exactly the moment of awakening. Doing the cycles can prolong the window for up to a minute - but if you do nothing for over a minute, no use trying after that... I might be wrong but I have tried what you suggest without luck...
      "...what we experience is our model of reality, not reality itself. Perception is dreaming constrained by sensory input. So it’s a constrained dream, whereas dreaming is perception free of constraint. What exactly is the difference experientially between the dream and waking state? And you see, it’s the same stuff. It’s all illusion! "Stephen LaBerge

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      I come back with something a little bit weird to speak about, but it's for science

      Still on the Idea that detecting the NPT (nocturnal penile tumescence) when a micro awakening occurs could be a tool to know which MA is likely to be followed by a success if we do a Raduga's DEILD attempt.
      My idea was to use the RemDreamer to wake me up from the beginning of a REM stage and to check if I feel any NPT.
      there are 3 issues:
      - the RD is good in detecting REM, but not perfect. sometimes it goes off even if there is no REM
      - I have to push the RC button to stop the Alarm of the Rem Dreamer, so I have to move.
      - the NPT is not always easy to detect without moving, you don't always feel if you have an erection or not.

      These nights I trained myself to sleep with the Rem-Dreamer with the Dream Alarm mode ON which wakes me up from some dreams, few minutes after having sent a first series of clue (that I don't notice if I am dreaming).

      For now I am not able to transform this forced micro awakening into a WILD/DEILD, maybe because I have to push a RC button to stop the beepings of the mask and to add some stand bye time. I suppose that the fact that I have to move ruins my chances to be successful at the Raduga's technique, but I have an idea to avoid this issue (by using my other RemDreamer with an audio file).
      None the less, the good point is that I am getting used to this torture tool and I take the habit of thinking about WILD/DEILD each time it wakes me up.

      For the second point, I had the idea to sleep with a cock ring as it makes NPT stronger, and so NPT are more noticable (yes, that's the weird part of my post ! )
      I tried it this night and it worked very well: I was noticing very well the difference between the MA where I had an erection and the MA when I hadn't any erection.
      If I manage to use my RD to wake me up with an auto snooze signal, as I won't need to move to know if I have a NPT (as I feel it). I thing I will be more lucky at my Raduga's technique attempts.
      The fact of checking the NPT makes the REM detection of the Rem-Dreamer more accurate, as if the mask woke me up AND if I feel a NPT, I know for sure that I was just Dreaming.

      So gentlemen, if you want to know if your micro awakening happened just after, or within, a REM stage, sleep with a cockring !
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