As cool as it is to imagine that you are being transported to another world, I think as with most things the simplest answer is the correct one. |
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Hello all Ive been lucid dreaming for over 30 years and Im almost convinced that our minds or souls are transported to another world when lucid dreaming. Based on the realism including sight, taste, touch, smell and real coversations with people Ive never met. Also based on questions I ask others in my lucid dreams. Your thoughts on the possibility that they are not dreams but real? |
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As cool as it is to imagine that you are being transported to another world, I think as with most things the simplest answer is the correct one. |
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In my experience lucid dreaming has proven the exact opposite to me, the fact that once you get to know your dreams you can recognize patterns and see that everything is controllable and easy to change it really would make no sense to assume it is in a different world. The mind is well capable of creating a fully realistic world often surpassing the quality of waking life. |
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When I first started lucid dreaming I thought it was cool, all the sex you want and with who, flying, etc. |
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Okay I will definitely try it, but you do know it is almost impossible to stop your brain from thinking something, so hence even if all your dc's give you the same answer it could be because you subconsciously expected it, it's still not solid enough to base anything off unfortunately. |
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Possibly |
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So because you have answers to those answers you think it is a real place? That is strange. If I think back in a lucid dream I can create tons of "fake memories" with a fake life and all, without interjecting anything. The past is different each time as well as who I meet and who I am. |
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Yes every level you mentioned and more. |
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You sound very prideful about this. It sounds to me like you have limited yourself, not reached another level. I am not trying to be rude. |
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This is fascinating - I have a few questions: |
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I dont think I can convince you they are other worlds or dimensions or whatever the other place is called. Nor can you convince me they are not. I am a very spiritual person and maybe that is why I believe and feel differently than you. If I enter my lucid dream with no thought or expectations then the people and places are always different as if Ive fell into their lives or experiencing their world via someone else. |
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Ive always been intrigued by the spirit world and a couple years back I spoke with a friend of a friend who is a medium. We spoke mostly about her experiences but 2 things stuck out. Those she communicates with never no where they are or what time/date it is. So am I speaking with the dead, the unborn or the living from different worlds? No idea but I will continue with an open mind. |
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Ok now you're starting to make some sense. I wasn't trying to convince you of anything by the way, simply asking questions. I'm not just a diehard materialist trying to debunk everything, I'm open minded about certain things like the possibility of shared dreaming/telepathy (basically the same thing) and have had a couple of experiences that might have been shared dreams. In my case though I thought the environment was completely created by my dreaming mind, even if another person was somehow communicating with me through it. I also think the characters that I 'see' in the dreams are created from my own thoughts and memories and expectations, but that possibly some things they say or do are controlled by another person. This is how it seems to work in the examples of possible shared dreams I've seen from members of the board too - there are overlapping factors in the two dreams but only a few, and they see each other as totally different characters. So it seems to me that each dreamer creates their own imagery and environment through which some level of communication or contact can occur. It seems to be only the gist of the message or action that's the same or very similar for both dreamers. This idea in fact correlates nicely with what science knows about dreaming and the mind. |
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Last edited by Darkmatters; 02-26-2013 at 03:55 AM.
There is one problem I can't get my head around. If we travel to a different world every night, why is that we can exert full control over what happens, to the perfect detail. If we really are in a different world with sentient entities it must mean that we should not be able to exert full control over everything in that world, the only way that would be possible is if the dreamer himself was actually interpreting the stimuli received from this world and then changing them in his own mind to suit himself. But is the latter is true then the existence of another world is completely unprovable to both science and the person them self. Since you know that your brain could be making it all up you cannot say for sure that you are traveling to a different world because there are some processes in the brain which you just can't observe. |
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This is a very interesting topic. It will be hard for you to convince some of these skeptics, longtimelucid, for many of them have beliefs that directly conflict with the idea of other worlds or dimensions besides what we know, such as some religions. It is harder for them to believe something like this exists because it goes against what they've been taught to believe. These lucid Dreamers see how crazy real these Dreams can be and how similar to waking life they are, yet many of them think that its the Dream that is fake. Why can't both be fake? Or both be real? What is real? Bottom line is nobody knows, so your theory of Dreams being part of another place is conceivable. It sounds no crazier than many of the things ive heard in my life, things people shape their lives and thoughts around, ideologies that have no more "proof" than what you speak of currently. If you've been actively lucid Dreaming for 30 years then it sounds like you have ample experience to produce this theory, a theory by the way that you are not alone in. |
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I Dreamed a Dream
In it, saw people I've never seen
Gone places I've never been
And done things I'd do again.
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First of all: hi! Welcome, I hope you have a good time around DV now I'll focus my speech on the question you made and attack half the world (in the respectful sense ) |
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I meant that asking the questions seemed like the beginning of a scientific approach, so I brought up a few more questions that would continue that trend. However it quickly became clear that he isn't talking about a physically real world, so most of your points are invalid. Are you prepared to go where the conversation is leading, in a more spiritual direction, or if the other world isn't a scientifically verifiable physical reality are you done? |
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Last edited by Darkmatters; 02-26-2013 at 10:18 PM.
It can be an approach, but the act of purely asking questions doesn't put it automatically in the "scientific" field. I guess the key point in your phrase was "somewhat" Also, since we're both on that page, I find it interesting that nowadays there seems to be a negative trend towards positions of skepticism. Specifically speaking: |
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Last edited by zoth00; 02-26-2013 at 11:07 PM.
Haha... case in point - we're experiencing a supposedly shared discussion here, and yet our interpretations of it are very different. You don't seem to understand what I meant by some things I said and apparently I misunderstood you as well. Maybe you could drop your insistence on the exact wording I used (which admittedly wasn't perfect) and understand that all I was saying was "It seemed he was beginning to take an investigative approach by asking the three questions, so I posed some additional questions that could take that farther and make it more scientific". |
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I am sorry. This is not another world then, if it is a spiritual place. Worlds are physical places. |
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Brandon, I think you're doing the same thing Zoth is doing - taking things too literally. |
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I see what you mean, but if you broaden the meaning of real too much then there is no point in believing something is real. Does he mean they are real consciousnesses? Real humans? Real parts of his subconscious? Real spirits? |
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Yeah I know - I think he left because of too many skeptics tearing into his ideas. |
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Yeah. I wasn't trying to be skeptical, but I might have appeared that way. I hope he comes back. it hasn't yet been 24 hours since he last posted. We should continue this discussion when he returns, if he does. |
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