Dream invader

Since I started posting more replies to the different threads on this forum, I have noticed something very unusual.
First let me say, I have very good control over nearly all my dreams. Lucidity is not a problem.


Here is the thing -
I have been getting a visitor.
The visitor in my dreams is female. She is well built. She has long hair.
She enters my dreams, and seems to take over. I lose lucid control, and she then takes advantage of the situation.
After she has had enough fun, she always laughs. Like a person playing a joke at someone elses expense.
I then regain control in time to see her leave.
This always wakes me up.
The only time in my life this has ever happened is after starting conversations on here.
If you are this person then why not contact me in a dream and tell me your name.

Why are you so sure that this invader is a real person in a shared dream? Could it be your subconscious playing a joke on you at your expense? She maybe telling you, "so you are so confident that you've got full control and you have been telling other people about it? well then try to control me WaHahaha!" yes, your subconscious may be throwing you a challenge. Didn't you at some point say that too much control can get boring, or was that EricInLA? Anyway, your mind may be responding to your subconscious need for a challenge, some entertainment.

The main reason I am sure, is that I hear the laughter as the dream ends, then I wake up, and hear it again.
This time the laughter is real, and comes from a member of my family. Usually a second or two after I have woken up.( The family are asleep )
It is as if the person is travelling through other people, using them as stopping points.
It is a bit spooky, but I do hope to work this out with help from members on here.

i know you say you lose lucidity when she enters.. maybe you can hold tight enough to tell her to leave? i'm sure you've already thought of this but... that might be all it takes to get her to leave. tell her in a strict tone. demand it. i bet she'll stop. also, you said shes well built.. would you say shes very masculine for a female?

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Originally Posted by cyaelO

i know you say you lose lucidity when she enters.. maybe you can hold tight enough to tell her to leave? i'm sure you've already thought of this but... that might be all it takes to get her to leave. tell her in a strict tone. demand it. i bet she'll stop. also, you said shes well built.. would you say shes very masculine for a female?

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In general I am a very laid back person.
Dreams are meant to be fun, and educational.
I go through life in a fun way, and you would find it difficult to annoy me.
I try to help as many people as possible, and when a person needs a favour, I am always there.

I will not however put up with this visitor again. I can easily assert myself, and change my personality at will.
This is the change the visitor will encounter on their next visit.
My total control of dreams is not a skill that is forgotten, just laying to one side, untill called apon.

As for her being masculine, the answer is no. She is just overweight.
Long hair.
Laughs like a bully/coward

I am looking forward to her next visit.

An idea for an alternative approach: I am a bit worried that your approach calls for you to change your own personality to a more hostile one. What will be the cost to you of this approach and are you sure it is worth the price? As an alternative, have you considered welcoming your invader, showing her patience and respect, finding out why she is there, offering peaceful resistance - I am not suggesting being a doormat and letting her have her way, but more along the lines of Ghandi's resistance to the British. Show her that you are too enlightened to fight her on her terms. Use your sense of humor and patience. If what she wants is a fight, she may be dissatisfied with that and leave. I think she is getting too much to you, you are letting her. I think if you change who you are for the purposes of this fight, it may not be effective: capitalize of your strengths, meet her on your terms. Do only what you believe is right and do not compromise on that. Being laid back is not a weakness, it is a strength - something that fanatics and bullies do not understand.

I will be honest with you, I am still not convinced that she is not a part of your personality - elements of dreams such as laughter can carry from dreams into waking world without being more real, in my opinion. However, regardless of whether she is real or not: sense of humor and love and compassion and patience and listening / trying to understand can be very effective weapons of conflict, and they can help you fight from a position of higher ground. Once you change your conscious personality to one that is less laid back in your dreams, it may be a slippery slope toward changes in your personality overall which you may ultimately regret.

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Originally Posted by TiredPhil

The main reason I am sure, is that I hear the laughter as the dream ends, then I wake up, and hear it again.
This time the laughter is real, and comes from a member of my family. Usually a second or two after I have woken up.( The family are asleep )
It is as if the person is travelling through other people, using them as stopping points.
It is a bit spooky, but I do hope to work this out with help from members on here.

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that does not mean anything. Dreams are scary sometimes, yes, but let's not automatically assume that it is some supernature.

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Originally Posted by JoannaB

An idea for an alternative approach: I am a bit worried that your approach calls for you to change your own personality to a more hostile one. What will be the cost to you of this approach and are you sure it is worth the price? As an alternative, have you considered welcoming your invader, showing her patience and respect, finding out why she is there, offering peaceful resistance - I am not suggesting being a doormat and letting her have her way, but more along the lines of Ghandi's resistance to the British. Show her that you are too enlightened to fight her on her terms. Use your sense of humor and patience. If what she wants is a fight, she may be dissatisfied with that and leave. I think she is getting too much to you, you are letting her. I think if you change who you are for the purposes of this fight, it may not be effective: capitalize of your strengths, meet her on your terms. Do only what you believe is right and do not compromise on that. Being laid back is not a weakness, it is a strength - something that fanatics and bullies do not understand.

I will be honest with you, I am still not convinced that she is not a part of your personality - elements of dreams such as laughter can carry from dreams into waking world without being more real, in my opinion. However, regardless of whether she is real or not: sense of humor and love and compassion and patience and listening / trying to understand can be very effective weapons of conflict, and they can help you fight from a position of higher ground. Once you change your conscious personality to one that is less laid back in your dreams, it may be a slippery slope toward changes in your personality overall which you may ultimately regret.

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I would pick my 6 month old son up, and hold him close to my face.
His hands would explore the contours of my face.
One time he got ahold of my eyebrows, and gave them a good pull.
I frowned slightly, to let him know that what he was doing was not comfortable.
He stopped right away, and would no longer grab at my eyebrows.
This is how I intend to react to this dream character in future.
Not agression, but a strong impression that what is being done is not approved of.
Sorry, if my previos replies made you think anything different.
Cheers,
Phil

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Originally Posted by Jabre

that does not mean anything. Dreams are scary sometimes, yes, but let's not automatically assume that it is some supernature.

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I do have ways to prove this 100% to myself.
A mystery game can be a lot of fun, but once the answer is found, the game is over.
Life is a game.
I like games.

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Originally Posted by TiredPhil

I do have ways to prove this 100% to myself.

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No you don't. It is very simple. You cannot prove that it isn't just a dissociated personality or your unconsciousness or anything else. There are certain logical explanations for things.

Be careful not to convince yourself that this being cannot be stopped by your own mind. If you truly believe that you cannot control the course of the dream because of her presence, you will not be able to do a thing against her. You need to just remind yourself that you are the one in control and she is an entity that exists only inside of your dream.

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Originally Posted by Araishu

Be careful not to convince yourself that this being cannot be stopped by your own mind. If you truly believe that you cannot control the course of the dream because of her presence, you will not be able to do a thing against her. You need to just remind yourself that you are the one in control and she is an entity that exists only inside of your dream.

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exactly.. whether this entity is just a figment of your subconscious or coming from from another source the fact is its YOUR dream, YOUR mind, and while dreaming.. YOUR world. you got this. but you dont need me to tell you that.

There you all go again.
Saying it "CANT BE DONE" - " Figment of imagination" - " NO YOU CAN'T "
I was talking of scientific proof, and not my opinion.
The idea was to install cctv cameras in the house, and note the times I woke up, and heard the laughter.
If I woke, then heard the laughter, the time difference would prove that the event was not in my mind.
Especially if the laughter was filmed coming from a member of my family.

Good job you people are not in any research facilities, nothing would ever get done, because it "Cant be done"

Yes,if the voice were recorded on camera and someone else heard the recording too that would prove that it is not just inside your mind. Conversely, if it were not recorded, that would not prove that this person is just part of your subconscious though because cameras are limited, and a voice could be real and not recordable by camera. It could even be just inside your mind and yet coming from an external entity, such as in a shared dream. I am not sure whether or not I believe in shared dreams myself, because I have not yet been convinced that they are real, but I am open minded to the possibility. I am not going to tell you this is not possible - I do not know whether it is possible or not.

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Originally Posted by JoannaB

Yes,if the voice were recorded on camera and someone else heard the recording too that would prove that it is not just inside your mind. Conversely, if it were not recorded, that would not prove that this person is just part of your subconscious though because cameras are limited, and a voice could be real and not recordable by camera. It could even be just inside your mind and yet coming from an external entity, such as in a shared dream. I am not sure whether or not I believe in shared dreams myself, because I have not yet been convinced that they are real, but I am open minded to the possibility. I am not going to tell you this is not possible - I do not know whether it is possible or not.

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( Sorry, if I sound like a fat bloke with a toga on, sitting half way up a mountain )

The road to enlightenment has a few paths that must be travelled
A quote from your reply is one of the paths that must be walked apon.

"I am open minded to the possibility. I am not going to tell you this is not possible - I do not know whether it is possible or not."

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Originally Posted by TiredPhil

There you all go again.
Saying it "CANT BE DONE" - " Figment of imagination" - " NO YOU CAN'T "
I was talking of scientific proof, and not my opinion.
The idea was to install cctv cameras in the house, and note the times I woke up, and heard the laughter.
If I woke, then heard the laughter, the time difference would prove that the event was not in my mind.
Especially if the laughter was filmed coming from a member of my family.

Good job you people are not in any research facilities, nothing would ever get done, because it "Cant be done"

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No, I think it would be perfectly fine for you to try that. However, how do you know it isn't just a family member laughing that got carried into your dream? Does it happen every morning? I am genuinely interested now... visitor message me the results please... Also, are the dreams in your DJ?

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Originally Posted by TiredPhil

There you all go again.
Saying it "CANT BE DONE" - " Figment of imagination" - " NO YOU CAN'T "
I was talking of scientific proof, and not my opinion.
The idea was to install cctv cameras in the house, and note the times I woke up, and heard the laughter.
If I woke, then heard the laughter, the time difference would prove that the event was not in my mind.
Especially if the laughter was filmed coming from a member of my family.

Good job you people are not in any research facilities, nothing would ever get done, because it "Cant be done"

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Hopefully you don't work in a research facility either judging by your way to "100% prove this" to yourself. You cannot be 100% sure on anything in science really. The expense of CCTV in each room would also be quite costly, especially seeing as it is very unlikely that you will get any results because this is something that is occurring inside of your own mind. It could even be something as simple as your family members often talking in their sleep and laughing throughout the night which is an external factor influencing your dreams and eventually you wake up from their laughter. It is important to have an open mind, but be careful to not let your brain fall out during the process. What purpose would somebody have for using an incredible ability like shared dreaming just to harass you in your sleep?

EDIT: You could even just decide to stay up later than usual after your relatives fall asleep and listen out for laughter.

She's wonderful isn't she

Trust her

But

Keep an eye open

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Originally Posted by Blackfox

She's wonderful isn't she

Trust her

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Elaborate?

@phil

have you considered the laughter to be HH? They can happen on waking up as well, and they can carry over from sleep for a second or two after you wake up. Not saying, that it can't be something else.

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Originally Posted by Araishu

Elaborate?

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Blackfox seems to be sending random replies to threads.

Best to ignore him/her until the drugs wear off.

Wasn't random

At all

Was

I get it, we have to go through all of Blackfox's posts and take the capitals that start the new line to form an anagram, then unscramble it to form a sentence. It will reveal the secret of life.

I had invaders come and go, but i got only 1 frequent visitor coming by and it is someone i knew long ago. But i know the difference of a visitor and an invader.
And i agree, it's the same as what you get, you lose control of the dream and the invader takes over and does everything that you do or know about.
Like being able to put harsh gravity in the dream, and you can't move, and so does the invader, i managed to break it though. And currently looking for this person in my dreams, but it's hard because he's like a top notch dream traveler/invader in dreams imo.

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Originally Posted by hathor28

I had invaders come and go, but i got only 1 frequent visitor coming by and it is someone i knew long ago. But i know the difference of a visitor and an invader.
And i agree, it's the same as what you get, you lose control of the dream and the invader takes over and does everything that you do or know about.
Like being able to put harsh gravity in the dream, and you can't move, and so does the invader, i managed to break it though. And currently looking for this person in my dreams, but it's hard because he's like a top notch dream traveler/invader in dreams imo.

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did he too know it was a dream? as in, he was self-aware when he went into yours?

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Originally Posted by TiredPhil

Blackfox seems to be sending random replies to threads.

Best to ignore him/her until the drugs wear off.

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ikr, I just constantly see cryptic and poetic answers by him all over dv...

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Originally Posted by Jabre

did he too know it was a dream? as in, he was self-aware when he went into yours?

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The visitor or the invader?

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Originally Posted by hathor28

The visitor or the invader?

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the invader.

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Originally Posted by Jabre

the invader.

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Of course they are aware, what will make them seem not? The person acts like he/she knows what he's doing unlike a regular DC.

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Originally Posted by hathor28

Of course they are aware, what will make them seem not? The person acts like he/she knows what he's doing unlike a regular DC.

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oh okay. i was just wondering if he/she did it accidentally

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Originally Posted by Jabre

oh okay. i was just wondering if he/she did it accidentally

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No lol, they really want to do it lol

Regular DCs do not have to be mindless. They do not have to act as if they do not know what they are doing. My imagination is such that I know I am perfectly capable of creating with my own mind a DC who could fool me into thinking that he is a fully functional separate entity, but I know that he is just a projection of part of my subconscious or a sophisticated character created by my imagination.

I once years ago had an extensive philosophical argument about lucid dreaming with a DC in a lucid dream. The DC was a representation of my father. He was very articulate and knowledgeable about lucid dreaming, and I came out of this lucid dream thinking that I had certainly not managed to convince him and he had made many valid points. However, I know that this was a DC and not my father nor any other external entity. All the conversation was basically a debate one part of myself had with another part of myself, and my consciousness happened to be on one side of the debate, but my subconscious had many valid counter-arguments. And it makes perfect sense that that part of my subconscious was portrayed with my father's image, and of course he acted and spoke like he knew what he was doing and saying because my subconscious is no dummy either! Also my expectation of my father would be an articulate and stubborn man with strong arguments which often differ from my point of view and whom I have trouble convincing in real life arguments, so why would my dream representation of him be any different?

Just because I am lucid does not mean that I will win arguments or fights against DCs necessarily nor that they will be mindless puppets. I have self-esteem issues and am a person well aware of contradictions in my personality, but in addition to that I know I have vivid imagination and have done a lot of extensive day dreaming in my life including many complex characters who were not me.

Well most of my DCs are mindless, dumb characters, it's always in my DJ.

In my case as long as a DC acts according to my expectations (for example: I would expect my father to be articulate and stubborn), and I can imagine scripting both sides of the exchange without any trouble, I have no reason to doubt that the DC was a figment of my imagination, which is very creative and quite capable of surprising me as well. I have great confidence in my subconscious, due to my self-esteem issues at times my subconscious may have more confidence than my conscious self though. Lol. Oh and given how much my self confidence revolves around my growing up with my father, I would expect there to be issues around that in dreams at times. And even if I am lucid that does not make such issues magically go away, since they are there in waking life and in dreams no matter how aware I am.

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Originally Posted by Blackfox

She's wonderful isn't she

Trust her

But

Keep an eye open

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