Thread: Precog-Dreaming Mechanism-Model (!!!)

I mean, how can one dream the future if it hasn't happened yet?

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Is it even possible to explain cognitive dreaming without resorting to supernatural causes, wildly speculative theories of physics or just dismissing the phenomena as an abnormal-normal delusion or fraud ?

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I believe precognitive dreaming can be explained using already accepted laws of physics and a little bit of neuroscience.

Here's my idea.

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A Model for The Mechanism for Precognitive Dreaming

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I believe precognitive dreaming can be explained using already accepted laws of physics and a little bit of neuroscience.

Here's my idea.

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I am (?) and here is my idea for Precognitive Dreaming.

There are three components to this model and one reasonable assumption.

First off, physics tells us two things about the world we live in.

Number 1) - Two events happening in two different locations that occur simultaneously in one reference frame of one inertial observer may occur none simultaneously in the reference frame of another inertial observer. This is Einstein's relativity of simultainity.

Number 2) - Time dialation.

The time lapse between two events is not invarient from one observer to another. But is dependent on the relative speeds of the observer's reference frames.

From Neuroscience we know neurons create brain waves. The human brain is made up of millions of pin head sized neurons. As neurons interact patterns manifest as thoughts. Such as when viewing a beautiful building or meeting someone.

Emotional states can be encoded as well.

Every interaction between neurons creates an electrical charge. These waves can be measured by an EEG machine, (electro-encephla+gram), machine.

On to dreams, thankfully my area of expertise.

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Let's define a pre-cognitive dream as a dream whose content describes or contains events, people, places, things and/or feelings that match events, people, places, things and/or feelings encounted in waking life after the dream occurred.

There is usually a stipulation in this definition that the information in the dream could not be deduced from information available to the dreamer through normal senses at the time of the dream.

I disagree with this caveat.

It (?) the definition of pre-cognitive dreams with an attempt to find an explanation for pre-cognitive dreams and causes us to ignore revealing data.

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(2:52) A model for cognitive dreaming needs to address 3 points:

1) - What exactly is the precognitive information?

2) - Where does it come from?

3) - and how does it travel back in time?

(3:00) I have a number of recorded dreams that ended up being precognitive so I have some data to work with.

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(3:00) I have a number of recorded dreams that ended up being precognitive so I have some data to work with.

From observing my dreams I've noticed the following:

1) - My dreams are.precognitive by our model's definition.

2) - The dream content doesn't contain anything, more revelatory, than I eventually experience in waking life

3) - And my dreams are full of my own opinions and even occasionally they include my own objective mistakes.

(3:30) From this I conclude that my precognitive dreams are my own future thoughts. (!!!???!!!)

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How far ahead in space time are we during a realtime zone projection(obe)?
In your opinion. :-)

Originally Posted by dreamcatcher81

How far ahead in space time are we during a realtime zone projection(obe)?
In your opinion. :-)

dreamcatcher

If you'r asking me, (debraJane)

I think that a Magnificent Thing came into being, billions of years after the Universe cooled to where the Universe could no longer support life.

Then when the whole Universe hit
"Absolute Zero", Matter no longer gave any resistance to Energy and a sort-of Amazing explosion happened. This happened at the end of time.

The explosion's origin is beyond the time-space continuum. It Blew-backwards through time and space right back to the instant of the BigBang.

The energy of the explosion is infinite because it happened beyond the space-time continuum and it used all the matter of the universe for It's fuel.

That "thing" (the infinite, pure energy) is the one and only Eternal Beloved (EB)

EB lives in one time and one place. The EB thrives throughout all time and all space. But all time and all space is within that instantaneous explosion .

So

the EB only exists in the eternal moment. The ET is contacted by reaching into the eternal "Now-Here" (the eternal "nowhere").

Precognitive dreams come from an intimacy with the EB. (IMO)

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(3:00) I have a number of recorded dreams that ended up being precognitive so I have some data to work with.

From observing my dreams I've noticed the following:

1) - My dreams are.precognitive by our model's definition.

2) - The dream content doesn't contain anything, more revelatory, than I eventually experience in waking life

3) - And my dreams are full of my own opinions and even occasionally they include my own objective mistakes.

(3:30) From this I conclude that my precognitive dreams are my own future thoughts. (!!!???!!!)

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So now we have somthing yo look for.

Imagin in 1995 I go to sleep and I have a dream that a
I have a cute and cuddly dog with oddly purple feet.

Fast foward to 2005.

My friend moves oit of the country and asks me to adpt her dog. I agree and she delivers him one snowy morning wearing purple dog booties. (3:57).

Thank you YAD

I just found the below on iasd bulletan boards. Then I came to dreamviews and found that you had shared your link in Cordawgraves thread called

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http://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dre...ur-dreams.html

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on iasd you wrote:

After a few months of dedicated research and writing, I have produced a paper with edits and contributions from Dr. Art Funkhouser which tackles the phenomena of precognitive dreams.*

This paper its an in depth look at precognition and clarifies and categorizes the kind of precognition that people experience. It's free, public domain like all of my online publications, with the hopes that it promotes precognitive dream research and benefits the readers who themselves have had precognitive dreams.

Here is the link to the paper, and it's free to host and share if you are inclined.*

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The Theory of Precognitive Dreams | A World of Precognitive Dreams - YouAreDreaming.org

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I am sticking your work here in my thread so I can find it quick. Thanx again YAD.

This is a great thread, I have also chatted with Lisa via e-mail on her youtube video. Great work putting together this thread.

Originally Posted by havago

...after the Universe cooled to where the Universe could no longer support life.

Then when the whole Universe hit
"Absolute Zero"....

This doesn't contradict what you said, but just for the possible clarification....Increasing entropy, which is the universe getting hotter, will eventually make the universe unable to support life, absent some other radical change. But the expansion makes it colder, if it expands at a sufficient rate.

Originally Posted by havago

From this I conclude that my precognitive dreams are my own future thoughts.

I'm pretty sure that most of my precognitive dreams have not been my own future thoughts. They've mostly been from other people's perspectives, and sometimes from perspectives that no person could have.

It seems that they can be about past or current events just as easily as about future events, so any successful theory would need to accommodate that also.

Occasionally they're about events that aren't even possible, and were never possible. But these dreams are so much like the other ones that I don't think they can be written off as screwups. Many people interpret these kinds of dreams as being premonitions of parallel worlds, but I don't think that quite works either, because often the events depicted wouldn't make sense in other worlds either. Its more like a projection from a place somewhat akin to the dream plane as WakingNomad conceived of it.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

This doesn't contradict what you said, but just for the possible clarification....Increasing entropy, which is the universe getting hotter, will eventually make the universe unable to support life, absent some other radical change. But the expansion makes it colder, if it expands at a sufficient rate.



I'm pretty sure that most of my precognitive dreams have not been my own future thoughts. They've mostly been from other people's perspectives, and sometimes from perspectives that no person could have.

It seems that they can be about past or current events just as easily as about future events, so any successful theory would need to accommodate that also.

Occasionally they're about events that aren't even possible, and were never possible. But these dreams are so much like the other ones that I don't think they can be written off as screwups. Many people interpret these kinds of dreams as being premonitions of parallel worlds, but I don't think that quite works either, because often the events depicted wouldn't make sense in other worlds either. Its more like a projection from a place somewhat akin to the dream plane as WakingNomad conceived of it.

There is no doubt that we have a long scientific journey in terms of understanding precognitive dreams. Unfortunantly, because it currently comes from an area which presents the hard problems of consciousness; it is difficult to study and thus get at the scientific mechanics which does leave much room for wild speculation and assumptions with regards to how precognition works from a mechanical perspective.

Not that we cannot deduce some of those mechanics from the experience itself. Like Havago has pointed out, I have also experienced the phenomena of how every detail including my own personal thoughts and feeling are present both in the dream in the past, and the future event when it unfolds.

In my paper, I also discuss my first lucid dream which presented a very difficult insight into the phenomena where-by the entire dream was "conjured" up from the void of astral space as effortlessly as breathing; at that time (during the dream) I was not only convinced, but aware that the dream content was being "created". And I cannot stress how important that reveal was.

To have that lucid dream come true was shocking, unexpected, terrifying but also very liberating in that it showed how dream content can be created which in turn provided some evidence, and some data that dreams are creating objective reality, and objective reality is a scaled up version of dreaming from a "Universal" level. Now this doesn't make that assumption true, but the data present does demonstrate how it could be true.

It took many other dreams like that to have further confirmation of this dream/reality dualism and more evidence emerged that there is a direct relationship to specifically literal precognitive dream content and the future events they represent; that they are the same thing; experienced in to point-of-view.

The fact a dream preceeds a future event introduces a thought paradox and causality issue. The famous thought paradox, "What came first, the chicken or the egg?" when applied to precognition is answered. "What came first, objective reality or the dream?" in the case of precognition, it was the dream that came first.

MY 25 years of exploration and research into precogniton has satisfied the following criterion:

1.) Some dreams in the past are future events yet to take place.
2.) There is a relationship between the dream and the reality they predict.
3.) Thought plays a role in forming the dream content, even if that content is a future event.
4.) The future event is "dream" thought in action; and thus also the dream actualized.
5.) Dreams are created by us, the dreamers. IF we are creating the dream which represents a future event, the we are creating that future event; thus we are creating reality.
6.) Why we are not entirely en mass consciousness of it may be by design by this system as a part of how we learn; that is an assumption.

Up to 6 the rest has been validated through the material presented in dreaming over and over again; so extends into more of a hypothesis rather than a belief. Still like any hypothesis it needs peer review thus other people need to confirm that is true, so it's only my opinion until that takes place. I can make those assumptions, I have the data which leads to them.

YAD, you're an effin genius, bro.

past present and future are all happening parallel to each other

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

past present and future are all happening parallel to each other

Albert E said this and its still hard to digest for some. Lol. I know this to be true through my own experiences with pregonotion. Lol.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

past present and future are all happening parallel to each other

Exactly my views XD
I believe is that all that is , was ,will be , can , cannot be exists.. at the same instance. In different parallel worlds. I even have statistical proof for this XD


Edit: Oh , one correction , parallel is when something happens together , but past and future are linear as future universe should be the one which syncs with current universe . Since, there is no time beyond the universe , they exist simultaneously.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

past present and future are all happening parallel to each other

In other words, there's no such thing as time?

Originally Posted by YAD

5.) Dreams are created by us, the dreamers. IF we are creating the dream which represents a future event, the we are creating that future event; thus we are creating reality.

More and more I am starting to believe that this is true. Reality is not created as fast as dreams, so therefore we do not usually notice this. However, yes, we do create reality just like we create dreams. As a Christian I have been taught that we were created in God's image, and I believe that what this means that we have the power to create reality much more than we think, and we exercise it all the time subconsciously. Unfortunately our minds are fogged up and non self aware and stressed and filled with negative emotions, so that is why our reality is so fucked up in some ways.

Guys I got it, check this out:

As I posted on the other thread http://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dre...ive-dream.html

I can refine and explain the mechanism of precognitive dreams based on pure proven scientifical observations:

Experimental delayed-choice entanglement swapping http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/...nphys2294.html

Entanglement Swapping between Photons that have Never Coexisted Phys. Rev. Lett. 110, 210403 (2013): Entanglement Swapping between Photons that have Never Coexisted

and applying this to the brain, neurons and particles as memory cells, we can conclude their interactions as following:

the events in the future which are going to be registered in some places in the brain are only entangled with the current brain, for example while the neurons are "firing". our brain configures either naturally or by relevance details from many various times from the future to a specific issue. the more entangled particles or neurons, the clearer is the precognitive dream. if less entanglements, then the dream is mixed more with our feelings, thoughts, memories, fantasy so that we can not understand its interpretation clearly, resulting a blurry future information or even none. results depending on the emphasize can be both either symbolic or as clear image.

In other words, there's no such thing as time?

Well that might be debatable , it depends what you perceive as time, time can be be considered as the flow of transition from one linear universe to another ( the future is uncertein , we just choose one of the parallel future worlds to proceed in.) , if that is what you define time as , then it exists.

^^ Or:

It is the "flow of transition from one linear universe to another" that exists. Yes, our chosen, invented, tool for perceiving this transition or change is time, but perception is not a material event. Time is what we use to make sense of the transitions, or in this case define our choices. It is not a thing or force that exists on its own.

As humans we seek patterns and we desperately desire to create order out of chaos, that's part of human nature. We come up with laws of physics, logical explanations, theories.

I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but sometimes when I lie in bed working on dream recall, I catch myself reorganizing the dream so it has a more linear story line, and I bet that many times I actually do not notice it but do it automatically.

What if instead of time actually being linear, we perceive it as linear because this is the sequence of events that our minds choose to sort them because it is the most logical sequence with causes preceding consequences. What if precognition is when our pattern mind making fails to reshuffle events to create the illusion of a linear time.

Edit: I thought about it some more. If time is an illusion brought about by the mind reorganizing events into a linear sequence due to a desire for pattern and order and cause-effect, then how do different people perceive chronology the same? Two possible explanations have occurred to me: (1) different people have a shared sense of logic and reorganize cause-effect similarly, though not the same - there are discrepancies in any two people's accounts of any series of events and memories; and (2) different people are an illusion, and this all is part of one consciousness, one mind. Time and separate entities are in this view both created by the one mind as is all of reality. In other words, life is a dream.

^^ Or:

It is the "flow of transition from one linear universe to another" that exists. Yes, our chosen, invented, tool for perceiving this transition or change is time, but perception is not a material event. Time is what we use to make sense of the transitions, or in this case define our choices. It is not a thing or force that exists on its own.
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true that , time is just something we use to map events

^^ yup.