Thread: Precognition and Precognitive Dreams.

very interesting... I pretty much have only been getting the REM dreams one which as u say are very different, where they are always symbols that i can only realize when i encounter them during the day.

for example: on one occasion i dreamt that some vines were trying to attack me and so i kept jumping over it like skipping rope. On that day as i walked through the park a dog with a really long leash crossed my path and i had to jump over it the same way.

I haven't observed that. When I had these kinds of dreams a lot, they'd typically be between about 2am and 7am, and I'd wake up immediately afterwards so that I could think about it. I don't typically have a lot of dreams that involve past content, they're more abstract. They used to be abstract as in metaphorical, now they're abstract as in almost no pictures or sounds at all. My precognitive dreams have mostly stopped, which I guess goes along without not having concrete content. I don't know the reason for this, why the parable-like dreams have stopped.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

I haven't observed that. When I had these kinds of dreams a lot, they'd typically be between about 2am and 7am, and I'd wake up immediately afterwards so that I could think about it. I don't typically have a lot of dreams that involve past content, they're more abstract. They used to be abstract as in metaphorical, now they're abstract as in almost no pictures or sounds at all. My precognitive dreams have mostly stopped, which I guess goes along without not having concrete content. I don't know the reason for this, why the parable-like dreams have stopped.

More direct connection with source?

Actually, the first thing that came to mind is lack of creativity. Perhaps it is so that you are urged to do things on ur own. I certainly urge you to find ur willpower and do some fun things with it. hehehehe. be they creepy or be they not creepy. As long as ur not hurting anybody? .. Wink?

I had a dream a few nights ago about the Belmont stakes coming up tomorrow. I had a dream that in the final portion of the race, a chestnut horse was coming fast on the outside of the others, then the jockey kind of stood up and was looking to the side for a place to jump off. The silks colors were yellow and when the jockey finally jumped, the horse collapsed and all the horses from behind trampled the jockey and horse. It was a really horrible dream. Dont know yet if it precog --obviously-- or just that I want to see a Triple crown winner finally and have anxiety over the possible problems that could occur.

I have an Abstract that I have written on Precognitive dreaming if you are interested.

http://www.youaredreaming.org/assets...ive_Dreams.pdf

YADs above link is a download. In a couple of days I'll go to an Internet Caffè (tomorrow, Monday is a holiday here) and get the 60 page printout. So I can discuss it here. This is the beginning:

Theory of Precognitive Dreams

By Ian A. Wilson (YAD)

Public Domain,
Copyright held by author.

Abstract

This paper examines the phenomena of precognitive dreams which are part of anomalous cognition and occur during physical sleep.

Precognition Dreaming is the act of observing future events that take place later in the objective world. The duration of time between the dream and the future event can range from days, weeks, months and even years. The quality of information observed during a dream can vary, depending on psychological models of memory, awareness and perception [MAP].

Introduction

This paper shows how various degrees of MAP affect precognitive dream content, provides theories on precognition, provides instructions on lucid dreaming, dream recall and precognitive dream exploration, provides examples of shifts in perception from waking to dreaming during the onset of sleep and details evidence in support of precognition.

Frequency studies conclude that a sizable percentage of the general adult population has had some measure of experience with precognitive dreams.

Frequency Studies

Arthur Funkhouser, a psychologist in Bern, Switzerland, and Michael Schredl, a professor of psychology at the Central Institute of Mental Health, Mannheim, Germany, used a questionnaire about déjà rêve (already dreamt, a form of déjà experience) which was included in a large “sleep, dreams, and personality” survey of 444 (mainly psychology) students at three German universities.

The incidence of déjà rêve was high (95.2%) and, like most other déjà experiences, was negatively correlated with age (i.e., younger persons experience it more often that older ones).[1]

David Ryback, a psychologist in Atlanta, used a questionnaire survey approach to investigate precognitive dreaming in college students. His survey of over 433 participants showed that 290 or 66.9 percent reported some form of paranormal dream.

He rejected many of these claims and reached a conclusion that 8.8 percent of the population was having actual precognitive dreams.[2]

Rense Lange, Illinois State Board of Education, Michael Schredl Central Institute of Mental Health, and James Houran, Southern Illinois University School of Medicine report 17.8 % to 38 % persons of large samples of individuals reported that they experienced at least one precognitive dream.[3].

See also Palmer [4],
Haraldsson [5],
Ross & Joshi [6]
and Thalbourne [7].

Most studies indicate that women report more precognitive dreams than men, while the frequency of precognitive dreaming declines with age. The percentage of persons who believe that precognitive dreaming is possible is even larger with estimates ranging from 63 % to 98 %. [5,8]

Originally Posted by YAD

I have an Abstract that I have written on Precognitive dreaming if you are interested.

http://www.youaredreaming.org/assets...ive_Dreams.pdf

Originally Posted by havago

YADs above link is a download. In a couple of days I'll go to an Internet Caffè (tomorrow, Monday is a holiday here) and get the 60 page printout. So I can discuss it here. This is the beginning:

Thanks Havago, I hope you like it, I worked very hard on that paper and was very fortunate to have Dr. Art Funkhouser who I cannot say enough kind things about as the editor and adviser on the paper. For those of you who do not know who Dr. Art Funkhouser is, he is one of the worlds leading experts and researchers into the Deja phenomena. He has been both a friend and a hero to me in this otherwise topsy tervy world.

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I like what Hobson (2003) say's on page 3 because I often can clearly be immersed in a dream as I awaken. Then it evaporates as I rise to full waking consciousness. So I put that in colour.

[b] History [/u]

In 350 B.C.E Aristotle skeptically debated precognitive dreams in his paper, “On Prophesying by Dreams” and states “As to the divination which takes place in sleep, and is said to be based on dreams, we cannot lightly either dismiss it with contempt or give it implicit confidence.”[9]

The prophecy of the assassination of Julius Caesar on March 15th 44B.C.E came to fulfillment as he was warned, “Beware the Ides of March”, according to Plutarch, a seer had warned that harm would come to Caesar no later than the Ides of March. On his way to the Theatre of Pompey, where he would be assassinated, Caesar passed the seer and joked, "The ides of March have come," meaning to say that the prophecy had not been fulfilled, to which the seer replied "Aye, Caesar; but not gone."[10]

The first thorough collection and critical review of such spontaneous cases was created by the British Society for Psychical Research (SPR). Reports of these cases were authored by Eleanor Sidgwick in 1888,[11] and Herbert Saltmarsh in 1938.[7] Sidgwick believed the evidence warranted further investigation as to the validity of the concept of precognition, and Saltmarsh offered that the evidence based on 349 cases of precognition.

It was found that over half were proven to be true and accurate based on record and data verification.[12]

German actress Christine Mylius [13] sent her dreams to Professor Bender at the Institute for Borderline Areas of Psychology for archiving. When she would have a dream come true, they would reference it in the archives.

Irish aeronautical engineer J. W. Dunne [14] kept a detailed account of his dreams and, using the scientific method, investigated his own precognitive dreams (see John William Dunne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ).

Louisa Rhine at the Parapsychology Laboratory at Duke University compiled the best-known and largest body of dream evidence. Dr. Rhine collected over 7000 accounts of ESP experiences. The majority of these accounts were dream related and were seemingly precognitive in nature.[15]


Neurological Changes During Sleep

There are several neurological and psychological factors during sleep that affect the quality of precognitive dream data.

The most measurable are the neurological effects of brain activity during sleep which affect memory, awareness and perception (MAP).

The brain undergoes dramatic changes in activity with areas that become inactive.

The dorsolateral frontal convexity, for example, is inactive in REM sleep periods in order to shut down motor function.[16]

Dream content generation becomes apparent in the frontal lobes and the Parieto-Occipito-Temporal junction (PTO) as evident in Solms (1997a) who showed that dream content generation ceases when the PTO is damaged.[17]

Studies have shown that during REM sleep brain activity is very similar to that while awake

(thus it is also known as paradoxical sleep)

and dreams during these sleep phases can be more easily remembered than during deep sleep (non-REM phases).

This does not assure, however, that the dream content is always remembered upon waking.

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Hobson, (2003) Finds that many dreamers are aware that recall actively eludes them as they awaken and further explains,

“The very absence of recall is a datum which any dream theory must explain, especially in the face of the robust brain activation in REM sleep!”[18]

When memory is present but not recalled this is better described as amnesia.

The neurological impact of sleep causes two types of amnesia to confront the dreamer.

Sleep Induced Amnesia and Waking Induced Amnesia.

Sleep induced amnesia spans the duration of sleep through the NREM and REM stages whereas Waking Induced Amnesia is the sudden decay of dream memories upon waking.

Memory still resides as evident by NREM and REM studies using fMRI. These studies show activity in the frontal lobe. Information flows out of, but not into, the hippocampus during NREM sleep.[19]

Dream memory occurs in short-term memory without transferring into long-term memory. This explains why dream memory rapidly fades when a person wakes up from sleep.

Quite often memory can be regained when certain triggers during the day spontaneously allow the dream content to be recalled.

In the case of déjà vu and precognitive dreams it is the onset of the future event which acts as the trigger causing the content to be remembered. When déjà vu is linked to a dream memory, it is called déjà rêve[20]



Then there is a picture of encephalograph, graph.

Here is page 18 and the first bit of page 42. This is mostly a hands on, how to Do, paper. I can't wait to print it out. It is full of pictures and I can't read it very easily on this little phone.

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Have You Had Precognitive Dreams?

As presented in this paper, many people throughout written records have had some measure of experience with precognition. There is a statistical fact that you might have your own experiences with precognition, or you have not.

Precognitive dreaming, like lucid dreaming, will be another scientifically validated experience. The historic evidence for lucid dreaming is overwhelming, so is the historical evidence for precognition.

Lucid dreaming was skeptically debated by Norman Malcolm (1956) in his book, “Dreaming and skepticism”[28] and considered “Woo” by many skeptics.

Research in the 1980's, however, empirically demonstrated that people can be “lucid” in a dream during sleep [29].

Like lucid dreaming, precognitive dreams are inherent in the human experience. With research, and advances in dream extraction, science will finally be able to understand and study this genuine experience.

Lucid dreaming is a requirement for lucid precognitive dreams.

This paper will present several scientifically studied and proven techniques to assist the reader in practical techniques to achieve this skill.

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In Summary

This paper has covered

the history of precognition,

the types of precognition encountered,

theory as to why precognition exists,

instructions on how to lucid dream

and

explore material designed to direct your attention to precognitive data during dreams.

This concludes the body of the paper. What follows is some personal reflection and experiences by the author on precognition and references.

Thanks again Havago. I tried to cover all the bases on the paper and not leave the reader without the tools to start their own personal investigations. It would be a shame to write such a paper and not provide a tool-kit of self exploration that could lead to them having their own experience with their own precognitive dreams. That's the end goal of the paper is self-exploration and personal involvement in one's own dreams.

Originally Posted by Rodrodrod

I've had one or two occasions of precognitive dreams where as the event started happening i remembered my dream and knew i had already seen this but mine were very short instances where the situation happened faster than i could realize what would happen next as in that i realised what was happening as it happened but didn't have time to figure what would happen in advance. (not sure if that was clear enough)

what i wanted to know is that, if you realize before the situation and know what will happen in a few instances would you be able to stop it from happening? From all the times i've heard of precognition, visions and etc the event always occurred even though the person had time to do something differently. I know that while it's happening the person may want to see it happen just to be sure and therefore confirm their precognition since if they intervened then it wouldn't have been a precognition would it?

Hope i made some sense, i'm just curious to see what you guys with more experiences and different perspectives think about it. I guess I'm asking if we have free will or if it's already pre-determined in some kind of way

One of the funny things about my precogs is that they are almost NEVER deja vu-like. I rarely ever have a Eureka moment when it happens.

My precogs are always reticent. It's like the eureka moment is long after the event happens. And I'm like "holy crap, so THATS what the dream was about".

Like today I had this bizarre dream early this morning about a cowboy riding this weird horse. I went to pet the horse and it looked bloated like it were dead for awhile and it had a face of a dead animal, not even like a horse at all.

Then today I was watching Dirtiest Jobs and the guy was in the Australian desert. All along the road were dead animals and there was a bloated dead cow.

You'd think I'd have said Deja Vu! But no, about an hour ago I was reviewing my dream journal and though....ahhhh I wonder if that's what that was...its not like I have dreams about bloated animals EVER.

Yeah I get those sometimes too, and usually I end up questioning whether it was a precognitive or not because I didn't realize straight away. Would love to be able to have some control over this phenomenon, but its mysteriousness probably makes it more worthwhile I guess.

Originally Posted by Rodrodrod

Yeah I get those sometimes too, and usually I end up questioning whether it was a precognitive or not because I didn't realize straight away. Would love to be able to have some control over this phenomenon, but its mysteriousness probably makes it more worthwhile I guess.

It's totally worth while investigating and exploring. I had one save my life, and have spoken with other people where they avoided events that could have also resulted in death... yes rare but how do you put a value on something that could help you avoid bad situations and also, what a great learning tool about the larger nature of reality seeing that there is a relationship between the dream world and the physical world. I love them.

Yeah definitely amazing stuff!! I recently read your paper and http://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dre...lly-dream.html, fascinating stuff. Been wanting to thank you YAD, because I found your experiences very interesting and really like your take on this physical world we inhabit and how we seem to be connected with the dream world... I honestly believe that we dream our futures somehow =)

When I started having precognitives, it was sort of like one of your exercises where I sort of just asked to have them. At the time, I was into talking to my higher self and I would ask to be shown what I needed to see through dreams or waking reality whatever method. After having them it changed the way I look at things. Want to take it further now, but will see how that goes...

Anyway, I enjoyed your stories =D

Originally Posted by Rodrodrod

Yeah definitely amazing stuff!! I recently read your paper and http://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dre...lly-dream.html, fascinating stuff. Been wanting to thank you YAD, because I found your experiences very interesting and really like your take on this physical world we inhabit and how we seem to be connected with the dream world... I honestly believe that we dream our futures somehow =)

When I started having precognitives, it was sort of like one of your exercises where I sort of just asked to have them. At the time, I was into talking to my higher self and I would ask to be shown what I needed to see through dreams or waking reality whatever method. After having them it changed the way I look at things. Want to take it further now, but will see how that goes...

Anyway, I enjoyed your stories =D

That's fantastic Rodrodrod! Precognition has without question opened up my eyes to see a definitive relationship between the dreamworld and our physical world, so much so that I can argue that this physical reality is what our collective dreaming can achieve, and has achieved... plus there is more, so much more that we are creating beyond physical reality experiences through dreaming. And why not, if this is our true nature to dream reality... I can only imagine endless possibilities await us in our futures.

We are on an epic grand adventure in dreaming... I've taken to enjoying it at all manifestations.

Yad

I read what you wrote above and began wondering. An activity similar to monthly Lucid Dream Tasks but different. Then as I squeezed my eyes I saw a nice thingy. I took it as confirmation that I just had a useful thought.

I'm bedridden due to my surgery wound breaking down. I've been saying, in my mind "god help me". So, I think I'm sensitive to help from god right now. As in, this idea, I just had, might really fly.

But

Since we want it to manifest in future waking life, then ee got to think it through and be careful what we intend to dream.

I thought of drought-ending rains.

Then I thought not cos it might cause flood and drown things.

Then I thought of something similar but gentler.

But maybe a golden intent will come to us as a group as we think of a gentle and positive event.

You know, like you drawing a triangle on you ftiends forehead, in a precognitive dream and then it manifesting in the future.

Collectively, Dreamviewers may bring some beautiful things about.

Precognition and precognitive dreams have great potential to help us. I haven't had those experiences very often lately. The last one I had, I had a lucid dream where I was in a restaurant, on the other side of a glass wall from my family, with a door nearby. I realized I was dreaming and since I can do anything in dreams, I just walked through the wall instead of using the door because it was the most direct route into the room.

About a month later, I got a surprise (to me) invitation to go to dinner that night with my family who I don't live with anymore. I debated on whether or not to go because I was tired, and eventually decided to join everyone. As soon as everyone sat down together at the table, I remembered that this was the exact room, with the exact people from my dream. Every detail, the lights, the wall paper, the glass wall and door. I had never been to that restaurant before, but it was accurate. I did a reality check to be sure I was awake, and then focused on what was happening to see if anything especially important was going on. There wasn't, so I went to the salad bar and loaded up my plate, thinking a little bit about trying to walk through the wall.

Since we can have this experience during dreams, it makes sense that we can also experience this while awake. And if we can experience it without effort, surely with effort and the right practices, we can experience it more and more right?

Wow, love reading others' examples of precognitive dreams. As I've started recording my dreams, I've also noticed some.

-When I was a child, I had a dream about this girl from school cutting her very long hair, a few days later she did.

-Recently I dreamed (more like pre-dream images) that I chopped off my pinky and ring finger. Next day I broke my pinky toe and the toe next to it.

-I had a dream about a man I know on the internet, where he handed me a pouch of white powder and said "Be careful... it can get addicting." I found out a month later he is a cocaine addict.

-I have had a couple dreams of late with me surrounded by broken glass. Going to be very careful in the car driving, I think! And handling dishware..

Precognitive dreams really exist!

Originally Posted by Rodrodrod

Yeah I get those sometimes too, and usually I end up questioning whether it was a precognitive or not because I didn't realize straight away.

I think the inclination is to eventually go out of your way to find connections. I had a dream a few weeks ago about being in a fire the room was burning and a window broke in the heat. Now I had watched a movie about a dragon (GoT) that night so at first I put it off as a dream about that. But it was a house burning, not a dragon.

I started to freak a little as I take credence in precogs and the wiring in my house is ancient. So I start watching TV in the morning and Backdraft (movie about burning factory and firefighters) is on. It takes me about 10 minutes to have an ah-ha moment as I'm watching a building burn (with windows) on TV.

Then later I'm walking through the neighborhood, a street I usually don't go down, and there's a burnt out house with wood panels over the windows. I've never seen this house before in this condition.

It's hard to tell if I noticed these things because of the dream or was it a precog and maybe due to the extra instances of seeing the results of fires, it was in my precog?

But I've told this story before and it's again an instance of not having a Deja Vu experience, but later going Holy Crap!

I had a dream that stuck out to me and at the time I was having a lot of precogs. The dream was someone selling a truck for $90,000. So all morning I was thinking 'how would I see this? where would I see a truck for $90K??'. And it breaks your heart because it's a dream you just know deep down it is a precog, but it gives you doubts because there's no way it can be.

So later in the day I had a contractor come over to get a payment for some house work. The job was for $1900. I was going to give him 1/2 or $950. But before he comes, he calls me and says he's going to give me a break and it's' only going to be $1800.

So I look out my window and he pulls up in....his truck. He has a funky Android app that takes my payment off my credit card. After running it through, on the app it reads $900.00 in big numbers on his phone.

Honestly, it didn't hit me until later....$90,000...truck... Loose connection? Coincidence? I journaled the dream and I was thinking about it all morning. So it wasn't one of a million dreams. I had no advance clue that the payment would be anything other than $950.

It was like I was at the event trying to describe it to myself a day earlier and it gets lost in translation. Like the old trick of getting 100 people to pass on a story to see how it gets mangled by the end.

But again, I rarely have deja vu moments at the time of the event.

Originally Posted by Schmaven

I did a reality check to be sure I was awake

LOL. It's like Minority Report "is this now?". When you track dreams, you often get muddled in reality, trying to remember if something was a dream or actually happened.

Originally Posted by BatteryCharged

It was like I was at the event trying to describe it to myself a day earlier and it gets lost in translation.

Thats a very interesting way of saying it.

To me, the majority of precognitives I get deja vu, and only a few times do I have to make the connection. Maybe I'm missing a lot of them because they might be minor things, since the majority of my precognitives are symbolic ones.

I definitely get the deep down feeling that it might be a precognitive after certain dreams! Which is also very interesting =)

I'm paying more attention to my DJ now, and whenever something happens in real i go back and read my DJs....came to a point that 2 years ago my dreams was telling me that this and that will occur.....scary to say it slowly is now.
There's a man that is recurring in my dreams since then, without knowing, a man in real was looking at me like he knows me before...it didn't come to my mind as to why but now i know it clicked in my head and it all makes sense now, it's manifesting slowly dream by dream but not everyday it can be like one time every 2 weeks one dream is manifesting and it can make you forget about the dream and that's when dejavu happens and people start looking at you like they know you from somewhere, but my dreams is very serious shit, if this man is looking at me because we had shared dreams many times, it's so universal it's mind blowing!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by hathor28

I'm paying more attention to my DJ now, and whenever something happens in real i go back and read my DJs....came to a point that 2 years ago my dreams was telling me that this and that will occur.....scary to say it slowly is now.
There's a man that is recurring in my dreams since then, without knowing, a man in real was looking at me like he knows me before...it didn't come to my mind as to why but now i know it clicked in my head and it all makes sense now, it's manifesting slowly dream by dream but not everyday it can be like one time every 2 weeks one dream is manifesting and it can make you forget about the dream and that's when dejavu happens and people start looking at you like they know you from somewhere, but my dreams is very serious shit, if this man is looking at me because we had shared dreams many times, it's so universal it's mind blowing!!!!!!!!!!!!

I get that feeling about people too, sometimes. Makes you wonder!

Had another precog just the other day - In my dream I was using an old alarm clock, but it was broken. Next evening I couldn't find my iphone, which I use as an alarm. So my husband goes and gets me his old alarm clock from years ago... it's the exact same one as in my dream. I think if I hadn't been recording my dreams it would have been a deja vu moment.

Just a small experiment, what do you guys think will happen on August 24?

Anyone willing try to find it out, share your observations here

Thanks.