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      Quote Originally Posted by Psionik View Post
      It is so even if I found this classifications years after I had started to do my OBEs?
      Yes, definitely, in my experience. It works the same way as with any other premonition or telepathetic sharing, but is especially likely here. I see this as a major fallacy or trap in religious thinking, that people assume that if they had an experience first before they read or heard about it, that this validates it. In my experience, if I will in the future have contact with some cult or religious idea, I will always have an experience of what they teach first, whether its true or not. I'm not saying that the classifications aren't fundamentally real somehow, I don't know, I'm just saying that to evaluate this you mostly have to ignore the order of events.

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      It is not important how it is named, it is important that there are differences. And that we can go there and observe that. We can look on those "dimension" as not made by religious groups or individuals, only someone found it sooner. Like for example Niagara falls exist in reality even if I wasn't there. If i travel there, I would find them. Its existence is independent of everybody.

      I can't imagine someone creating the surrounding I'm finding while out of body. I would rather believe that I created it... subconsciously. Well that is possible and that is why I try to introduce as little imagination and will into my travels.

      I wonder how much is related OBE and NDE... I read that they are closely related... But I dont have my own experience with NDE to know for sure.

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      Psoinik,

      Hi. Apologies again for my short replies. I only have internet access for a few minutes.

      I think the astral realm can't be understood as being either objectively real like the Niagara falls or else as made up or pretend. Those ideas sort of apply to physical things, but not so much to 'spiritual' things. I think there is certainly a reality to what we experience astrally, but the way we experience that and divide it into different planes is highly dependent on esoteric religious group-thinking.

      Maybe there are other points to be discussed that are more interesting than this one, but that's the one I had time for. Gotta go.

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      You don't need to be sorry

      What about looking on astral from point that many things are there relative in comparison to physical world? If it is possible to observe more dimension that in physical world, maybe even see parallel universe at once, and our mind tries to understand or if it cant comprehend things, maybe it is clouding what we see there... As to not to be overloaded with chaotic perceptions...
      Maybe, the most stable thing there is mind, which can have only relatively narrow window of state which are compatible with existence in there? Maybe that narrow window is only there because there is living body to which we are connected. When I differ from certain state of mind it throws me back... because I have a place where I can go back. Than there would be question, if my body is dead, where would changing of mind state throw me? Into grasps of imagination? Into something like LD as I experienced a few times? It would be sad to be incarcerated in dreamlike environment for who knows how long. Even worse, dreams can make me forget things I know(for time I'm in dream) which can mean I would be there for eternity if there is no reincarnation... and if there is reincarnation, it may be the reason that I must start new life without remembrance of last one.
      For me dividing is not thing of religiosity or belief, for me it is just description of different places(dimensions) which have different properties, different mind set needed for existence in them. We can discuss it for very long, but we will not come to truth in many things like this one. That is because we don't have possibility to objectively see things as they are, if they are out of physical realm.
      I'm not trying to create belief from what I see while doing OBE. I try to understand. I try to have things proofed. It would be much better proof if there is possible communion through OBE, through other dimension than physical ones.
      Just an afterthought... I asked one of my acquaintance, a man about 65 years old what he thinks about this type of things... His opinions was very materialistic... there is nothing after death. One needs to live before he dies. Question "why" or "what for" has not meaning for him. For him it is strange to try to do things like I'm training and experiencing... and he wouldn't invest a iota of his time even if it could be done during sleep time...

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      Sageous linked this "his" thread
      In my Dream Remote Viewing, today

      16 Feb 2014 is the last post to date

      I think we are one being in billions of different bodies
      Like this amazing anthem says.

      Thats how Dream Remote Viewing works so well
      Because we are one

      But we can experience it first hand
      in experiments like this

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      https://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dr...ml#post2233188

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      I like to believe that dream sharing is possible. I had a dream character come up to me and tell me that I'm dreaming before and made me lucid. But meeting real people in the astral doesn't seem likely, I mean the other person would have to be out of body at the same time as you and you would have to meet up. More luckily to meet real people in regular dreams. You see people you know in the astral but I don't believe it's really them.
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      ^^ Ah, but there is where my theory kicks in, if I remember it correctly (it's been a while)!

      If it can exist at all, dream-sharing among people who are not sleeping within a few feet of each other must defy the known rules for space and time; so there really is no need for you and your SD'ing partner to be asleep at the same time. Also, there is no need to be out of body to meet in the astral, or even any need for an "astral" at all. The trick, according to my OP (I hope!) is recognizing the dream your partner is signalling you (and every other dreamer) to join.

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      Quote Originally Posted by AntiDash View Post
      I like to believe that dream sharing is possible. I had a dream character come up to me and tell me that I'm dreaming before and made me lucid. But meeting real people in the astral doesn't seem likely, I mean the other person would have to be out of body at the same time as you and you would have to meet up. More luckily to meet real people in regular dreams. You see people you know in the astral but I don't believe it's really them.
      A good place to start is just finding the astral in general and look around a bit. It is full of entities and at first communication and interaction will seem difficult and hard to understand. I have interacted far more with entities that live there as opposed to entities who claim to sleeping in say France or Canada. I would say the ratio is 20 astral natives for every 1 that claims to be dreaming like me. I have seen no proof that two people could get to the same place and interact, but I think each of them would have to have high level lucid/astral skill sets. 30+ years into this and it is still crazy and very hard to understand. Perhaps monks who grew up doing this as there main goals in life could do it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by AntiDash View Post
      I like to believe that dream sharing is possible. I had a dream character come up to me and tell me that I'm dreaming before and made me lucid. But meeting real people in the astral doesn't seem likely, I mean the other person would have to be out of body at the same time as you and you would have to meet up. More luckily to meet real people in regular dreams. You see people you know in the astral but I don't believe it's really them.
      Unless you are able to woke people to perceive astral.

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      Quote Originally Posted by AntiDash View Post
      You see people you know in the astral but I don't believe it's really them.
      I agree with this. I have dozens of times in my early days been in contact with entities that I am seeing as my friends or family. They were not. Did they disguise themselves to fool me? I do not think so. Almost everything you see in the beginning will be beyond your understanding so you will fill in with dream imagery until the things takes a form you can understand. The astral entities may have been trying to project something like, "you do not need to fear, we are very alike and you can be relaxed around me." Not understanding how the telepathic communication happens and not actually having eyes (instead using a new sense) you simply have to guess what you are experiencing. You feel trust and likeness and comfort coming from this thing. You fill in with a crazy good rendition of your mother.
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      When I dream of something I don't have an image for, I usually use the closest image I can come up with. I think that our 'astral' experiences are crude and mostly inadequate sensate metaphors for something that would seem quite a bit less comprehendable than what is usually described as 'astral'. Essentially I'm saying that 'astral' is made up, but there's something beyond it that probably can't even be thought of spatially the way we think about our other experiences.
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      I view minds sort of like nodes or servers on a potential network, running on similar hardware and different software, and separated by vast void/abyss/event horizon. For at least some servers, it may not be possible to communicate directly, but some severs might could communicate with each other, and a potential workaround could involve bringing the network online one node at a time.

      I think this may go well with the ideas in the OP. Structure wise, I can see the dreamnet being housed within the bubble surrounding the earth which you described. Though on another level, I also see the individual bubbles/servers as being separated by a vast relative distance, with nodes occasionally interacting with each other naturally in a way similar to how neurons interact, similar to how Occipitalred described a thousand beads in a flask. The structure feels more like eternal inflation/bubble multiverse, as described here: [Is there any way to bypass this? "An error has occurred ZenithofThings! You must be a registered member for at least 7 days in order to post links. You are a registered member since 0 days."] On a deeper level the structure feels sort of like Jeremy Bearimy, as described in this short clip from the good place: [Will edit these 2 placeholders when I'm able to post links.] though much more convoluted. Not those actual letters but a very similar idea.

      I have ideas on how to spark the creation of such a network. If anyone can succeed at 1v1 SD, then the connection could potentially be strengthened/stabilized, the source code for software capable of allowing multiple users to interact within a shared operating system within the dream environment could be downloaded. From there, more connections could be added, upgrading the available processing power/resources like plugging new parts into a computer, sharing/spreading the evolving OS and reinforcing the overall robustness and capabilities of the network with each new connection.

      If this were to succeed, it would spark the creation of a sort of internet v2.0, where any mind connected to the dreamnet can login simply by falling asleep. I've been working long and hard on creating such an OS, though unfortunately I've never been able to share the source code. I've only had one brief verified success with SD amongst a maddening amount of failure. It happened spontaneously a long time ago, during a time after I had stopped trying to force it, and was verified using a secret email which I only ever handed out during my dreams.

      After much consideration, I'm not even sure if the OS should be shared if it is possible. If such a thing were to actually happen, I don't know where opening this Pandora's box could lead, and once opened I doubt it could easily be closed. Combine the risks and benefits of a massive SD network, with the ability to warp subjective perception of time to extremes, and you have the ultimate can of worms.. For one thing, you potentially have pocket dimensions birthing pseudo-god hive minds with nigh eternal lifespans and the ability to interact with the world we live in while "awake".

      I'm new here and still catching up on this thread, but wanted to share some old thoughts. Would really like to hear more thoughts on these topics. I'm glad to have found this place, and have a lot of reading to do.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ZenithofThings
      I've only had one brief verified success with SD amongst a maddening amount of failure. It happened spontaneously a long time ago, during a time after I had stopped trying to force it, and was verified using a secret email which I only ever handed out during my dreams.
      The above is very interesting to me. Could you share the message that was sent and/or the email address?

      If you don't want to mess up the privacy of that email address, just give an example that's of similar form. For example, if the address was "[email protected]", you could say it was "similar to [email protected]". (Really though, the message itself is the most important part.)

      I'm interested in shared dreaming, but most people who have done personal experimentation on the topic don't seem to like sharing their results that often...

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      I don't have access to the account anymore, but it was short and easy to remember: ____dreams at ____. [Seems like I'm unable to post anything even vaguely resembling a link..] It was a very short dream. As soon as I felt like a connection had been made with something potentially external, back then I would try to make them lucid, and failing that I would get a little scary, repeatedly blast my email at the target with instructions to wake up and immediately email me about the dream, and then I would jump scare them awake. May have involved some level of threat/demand to send the email. Was kind of a messed up thing to do in hindsight.

      Perhaps not the most polite thing to do, I didn't enjoy it, but frustrated with getting nowhere otherwise, I did this for a short while in a sort of shotgun blast aimed at everything I came across, in an attempt to connect with someone, anyone. It was never successfully aimed at any particular individual, just any random stranger I could possibly connect to, so there was a sort of lack of consent. I also wanted verification that SD is possible, even if just on a personal level, I wanted to cut out the bias. It wasn't meant to convince anyone outside of the dream of anything.

      I stopped using this scum-tactic after the first verification, because it felt icky. The email was a brief description of the dream, wanting to know wtf they experienced, some not so nice words, stay out of my head, etc kind of thing. I sent a reply back, apologizing and filling in a little missing detail, and I guess that maybe creeped them out or something because I never heard back.

      The idea was that a brief moment of terror followed by a sudden forced wake up would help make the dream more memorable, lessen chances that the SD target would continue dreaming for hours after the connection ended, and increase overall chances of actually receiving an email. Tbh, part of me doesn't regret the scummy tactic, because it appears to have produced some level of results, though another part of me regrets the whole consent issue, so it's not something I really want to continue doing either. In my defense, at the time I still wasn't sure if true SD was even possible.

      I've had a few other potential SD since then which were unverified, also spontaneous events which happened when I wasn't trying to force it, after a long period of trying to force it. The other few suspected SD may or may not have actually been SD, but for whatever reason I never got more than the single email verification.

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