Thread: Healing kidney disease in lucid dreams

errm I guess it can provide a positive mindset which might promote healing, to an extent, but not beyond the body's regenerative capabilities..

Originally Posted by Marm

errm I guess it can provide a positive mindset which might promote healing, to an extent, but not beyond the body's regenerative capabilities..

Hey Marm thanks for your reply i agree with you but the body's regenerative capabilities is uncharted territory plus there could be an element of energy healing (like in reiki) that could be used in a lucid dream state and could go even beyond the body's own regenerative capabilities . There are no accounts of an amputated leg regrow again though . A good friend of mine that i trust told me that her grandmother was suffering from a retinal problem that severely affected her sight and doctors recommended a (not so successful surgery ) to help save whats left . one night while sleeping her grand mother saw doctors operating on her eye while shes on her bed, she woke up that night with perfect vision in both of her eyes , the doctors were stunned and cancelled her already scheduled operation more over there were no suture lines or any sign of invasive surgery . simply her eye was fixed in a dream .

well i suppose there is some truth to this..

anyways i really do hope you are recovering well, take care of yourself

I tried to heal myself from OBE. I usually feel physical body while in astral, and this was felt like energy, electricity, hot vibration in places where I put my hands inside physical body.
BUT, I didn't experience observable betterment of physical health.

Originally Posted by lucidusorbis

Hey Marm thanks for your reply i agree with you but the body's regenerative capabilities is uncharted territory plus there could be an element of energy healing (like in reiki) that could be used in a lucid dream state and could go even beyond the body's own regenerative capabilities . There are no accounts of an amputated leg regrow again though . A good friend of mine that i trust told me that her grandmother was suffering from a retinal problem that severely affected her sight and doctors recommended a (not so successful surgery ) to help save whats left . one night while sleeping her grand mother saw doctors operating on her eye while shes on her bed, she woke up that night with perfect vision in both of her eyes , the doctors were stunned and cancelled her already scheduled operation more over there were no suture lines or any sign of invasive surgery . simply her eye was fixed in a dream .

I long for the ability to do such healing power. I have tried to do dream healing, and it doesn't seem to help much. My friend Raven Knight has done dream healing on me which helped reduce my pain sometimes. I am reading this fascinating book called The Amazing Liver Cleanse by Andreas Moritz. Please check it out. Aloha

Hi Psionik , i think what you've done already was a remarkable achievement and as to the part of not experiencing any improvement ,i personally have my reasons why this would work i have a program on my laptop that flashes messages on the screen in a high speed that you barely notice it . i gave it a try for my kidney problem and wrote affirmations to heal my kidney that flashes on the screen every 3 seconds when am using the laptop . After about 2 weeks i noticed my symptoms improving (with physical evidence ) but the effect plateaued after two month or so, so i decided to switch the program to another topic . I was surprised to find that all the symptoms returned to were they were before using the program in less than two days. This experience gave me insight that my kidney can be affected by such metaphysical ways. so i though that lucid dreaming would give me much better access to this world (which supposedly can heal my kidney ) and i think your chances with obes are even better but at the moment obes seem unpractical for me since i only had 2-3 obes in my life and this would suggest the reason why you didn't notice any effects on your body because your time was very limited i guess (if i tried flashing the affirmations for an hour it surely wouldn't work , it took two weeks to start to work). i think that repeating your experiment could yield gradual improvement in your health and you also should try different techniques of healing . As i said this is uncharted territory and we are the conqestadores maping the new world . Even if no one did it before , that's the point of lucid dreaming who know we might find the world is not flat .

That sounds like suggestion exercise Lucidusorbis- subliminal one.
I trained autogenic training since 11-12 years old. It is based on autosuggestion (autohypnosis). It is possible to change some physical things, feelings... Some more, some less. (Body temperature, feeling of pain, psychical conditions.)
If there is organic problem this leads only to betterment condition, but not healing. For example, migraine is result of cramps of muscles on head. I can use suggestion and relaxation to make cramps easier, pain is leaving. To heal this pain it is enough to be relaxed state for some time.
But if there is other problem, for example stomach virosis, healing doesn't function well. But even then, healing is faster.
Illnesses your body can't battle alone, are probably not curable purely by this method.

Originally Posted by Psionik

That sounds like suggestion exercise Lucidusorbis- subliminal one.
I trained autogenic training since 11-12 years old. It is based on autosuggestion (autohypnosis). It is possible to change some physical things, feelings... Some more, some less. (Body temperature, feeling of pain, psychical conditions.)
If there is organic problem this leads only to betterment condition, but not healing. For example, migraine is result of cramps of muscles on head. I can use suggestion and relaxation to make cramps easier, pain is leaving. To heal this pain it is enough to be relaxed state for some time.
But if there is other problem, for example stomach virosis, healing doesn't function well. But even then, healing is faster.
Illnesses your body can't battle alone, are probably not curable purely by this method.

I agree with you psionik there are definitely limits for suggestion (thats what i found out with subliminal messages only improving my symptoms ) thats why i thought lucid dreaming would perhaps have higher limits, but since you have far more knowledge and experience than i do ,maybe my condition cant be cured via lucid dreaming direct techniques, but what do you think about using an indirect technique like asking the lucid dream how to cure my kidney or using a dream figure or what ever way possible. And i think with your experience you have an answer to this question , Do you think lucid dreaming is an internal world that is only a function of the mind and cannot be a source of inspiration or cannot affect the physical world or is it a doorway to another world with limits far beyond the own subconscious of the human mind ?

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

I long for the ability to do such healing power. I have tried to do dream healing, and it doesn't seem to help much. My friend Raven Knight has done dream healing on me which helped reduce my pain sometimes. I am reading this fascinating book called The Amazing Liver Cleanse by Andreas Moritz. Please check it out. Aloha

Thanks for your post waking Nomad i guess we are still in stone age of lucid dreaming , the idea of lucid dreaming being even remotely possible (not even the idea of lucid dreaming healing ) has been accepted from less than 40 years by the scientific community. so its like were still in the stone age of lucid dreaming .And if that is stone age of L.D imagine when we reach the age of spaceships. , i guess that healing its not a matter of concept but a matter of technique and time and innate abilities , healing of any condition using lucid dreaming could be possible but we just don't know how.

Originally Posted by lucidusorbis

I agree with you psionik there are definitely limits for suggestion (thats what i found out with subliminal messages only improving my symptoms ) thats why i thought lucid dreaming would perhaps have higher limits, but since you have far more knowledge and experience than i do ,maybe my condition cant be cured via lucid dreaming direct techniques, but what do you think about using an indirect technique like asking the lucid dream how to cure my kidney or using a dream figure or what ever way possible. And i think with your experience you have an answer to this question , Do you think lucid dreaming is an internal world that is only a function of the mind and cannot be a source of inspiration or cannot affect the physical world or is it a doorway to another world with limits far beyond the own subconscious of the human mind ?

If you are an physician, maybe information from dream could be helpful. Otherwise I think, it is highly improbable.

But there is a hope- I mean, while in changed state of consciousness it may be possible to have higher healing rate. If there is incurable damage on your kidneys, only daily dialyzis and transplantation may be way how to end your condition.

Originally Posted by Psionik

If you are an physician, maybe information from dream could be helpful. Otherwise I think, it is highly improbable.

But there is a hope- I mean, while in changed state of consciousness it may be possible to have higher healing rate. If there is incurable damage on your kidneys, only daily dialyzis and transplantation may be way how to end your condition.

Actually i am a final year medical student and I' ve seen patients on dialysis and it is the last thing i want to go through , anyway ill ask in the next lucid dream and see what happens , wish me it will be soon.

Of course I wish you luck But remember, in dreams it is mainly your subconsciousness speaking to you. Even in lucid ones. Remain judicious to what you may learn.

I wish you good luck. Personally I believe this is possible - there seem to be plenty of "cracks" in our world where reality just doesn't match up with what logically should be. If the laws of logic can be broken once there is no reason to believe they can't be abused on purpose. Pretty much every family out there has a story like yours - about a family member experiencing something that can't be explained. I am aware that some are hoaxes or a result of mental illness etc. but I believe some are legit.
I experienced a few strange things myself that nobody could explain using logic - but I never managed to repeat them conciously. It seems the consciousness has a built-in feature that blocks these phenomena. There is a theory that it's a fundamental belief in laws of logic that all humans learn very quickly and that this can be overcame...somehow. Lucid dreaming might not be the best way to try it since you are quite conscious in that state. But this depends on what you believe.

Originally Posted by Blackhammer

I wish you good luck. Personally I believe this is possible - there seem to be plenty of "cracks" in our world where reality just doesn't match up with what logically should be. If the laws of logic can be broken once there is no reason to believe they can't be abused on purpose. Pretty much every family out there has a story like yours - about a family member experiencing something that can't be explained. I am aware that some are hoaxes or a result of mental illness etc. but I believe some are legit.
I experienced a few strange things myself that nobody could explain using logic - but I never managed to repeat them conciously. It seems the consciousness has a built-in feature that blocks these phenomena. There is a theory that it's a fundamental belief in laws of logic that all humans learn very quickly and that this can be overcame...somehow. Lucid dreaming might not be the best way to try it since you are quite conscious in that state. But this depends on what you believe.

Thanks for your wishes black hammer and yes i totally agree with you , I started lucid dreaming form as far as i could remember and long before i heard about it from an external source and every time i told someone i could wake up and control my dreams ,no one believed although for me it wasn't a matter of believe it was a matter of personal experience , there are far better ways for healing to get around the laws of physical reality but at the moment lucid dreaming is my best shot since its safe, affordable and accessible for me. rieki would be a better option but it would cost alot and its not widely (or narrowly ) accepted where i live . The best thing about lucid dreaming is that no one have to know nothing about it , its just in another world , the LUCIDUS ORBIS .